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    Truth:[/B] If the Republican Party fails move towards a liberty oriented political platform then they will no longer be relevant in national politics. The liberty message is what young people embrace, it is what draws them towards conservatism and it is the future of the Republican Party. That is, if the Republican Party expects to survive. If they want to win another Presidential election, ever, the party must focus on limited and constitutional government at the national level.

    Rand Paul is the candidate who can bring the most excitement, cast the net furthest and embrace the most diverse audience. Rand Paul's father started the movement that began the Tea Party. Yet Rand Paul already has a senate record of protecting our constitutional civil liberties that could even get a few on the left excited after a far from fantastic record from President Obama.

    Use the next four years to educate yourself, your friends and your family about personal liberty, Austrian Economics, monetary policy, the Constitution and foreign policy.

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    "Join, or Die" is a well-known political cartoon, created by Benjamin Franklin and first published in his Pennsylvania Gazette on May 9, 1754.[1] The original publication by the Gazette is the earliest known pictorial representation of colonial union produced by a British colonist in America.[2] It is a woodcut showing a snake severed into eighths, with each segment labeled with the initials of a British American colony or region. New England was represented as one segment, rather than the four colonies it was at that time. In addition, Delaware and Georgia were omitted completely. Thus, it has 8 segments of snake rather than the traditional 13 colonies.[3] The cartoon appeared along with Franklin's editorial about the "disunited state" of the colonies, and helped make his point about the importance of colonial unity. During that era, there was a superstition that a snake which had been cut into pieces would come back to life if the pieces were put together before sunset.[citation needed]
    The cartoon became a symbol of colonial freedom during the American Revolutionary War.
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    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Where's the head?

    I like the graphic a lot, though. An alternative would be to use Franklin's original, only take out the state designations. Then under it you could put Rand Paul 2016.

    I assume the original is in the public domain. A great plus to it is that it's more easily recognizable, so no one has to connect the dots. Plus, leaving the word 'Republicans' out of it would have broader appeal.

    Just a thought.....inspired by your rendering,of course!

    Edit: What I'm suggesting would involve some altering of the original's proportions to work as a bumper sticker. I would dummy one up but don't have the software to tinker with.
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    First things first---Rand has to mend fences with many Ron Paul supporters who were totally disgusted by his endorsement of Romney. That will take a bit. But the bulk of the above case is fine. The liberty movement must cause the GOP some pain, which has already happened with the defeat of Mitt, and point out that milquetoast moderates have had their day. We should now insist that "it's our turn" when it comes to the 2014 and 2016 cycles. As I recall, the Reaganites made the same pitch to the Rockefeller Republicans in the late '70's, and by doing so, won by '80.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peace&Freedom View Post
    First things first---Rand has to mend fences with many Ron Paul supporters who were totally disgusted by his endorsement of Romney. That will take a bit. But the bulk of the above case is fine. The liberty movement must cause the GOP some pain, which has already happened with the defeat of Mitt, and point out that milquetoast moderates have had their day. We should now insist that "it's our turn" when it comes to the 2014 and 2016 cycles. As I recall, the Reaganites made the same pitch to the Rockefeller Republicans in the late '70's, and by doing so, won by '80.
    I'm not totally sold on Rand at this time (taking a wait and see attitude), but danno has a great promotional idea. And really, who else CAN we promote at this time?

    It's never too soon to promote liberty. If we could promote Rand as being the standard bearer for liberty, we could indirectly influence him to be that very thing.

    I'm watching closely how all our elected officials respond to the upcoming fiscal cliff. That will be very telling in who I look to as our next crop of leaders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jay_dub View Post
    Where's the head?
    It's the lower case 'L'.

    Quote Originally Posted by jay_dub View Post
    An alternative would be to use Franklin's original, only take out the state designations.
    Actually, I'd even keep the state designations. More "authentic" that way. Though I really like this one, too. But the original would be more recognizeable.

    Maybe offer both? I'm not sure how these Cafe Press type things work, though, so I don't know if that would impose excessive difficulties or expenses.

    Quote Originally Posted by jay_dub View Post
    Plus, leaving the word 'Republicans' out of it would have broader appeal.
    True. But before we start worrying about matters of general appeal, the GOP has to be addressed (primaries and all that).

    So the "Republicans: Join, or Die" makes more sense for the time being. It could always be changed later, I imagine.
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    shouldn't this be in the Rand Paul forum? JK
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    Killing them is a little harsh don't you think?


    Jking obviously agree with your point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jay_dub View Post
    Where's the head?
    The "l" on Rand Paul is the head, the tail is in the "R"
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    Updated the OP, thanks torch
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    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    We're getting a little bit ahead of ourselves. We don't even know if Rand wants to run in 2016.

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    Good work Dannno. I've changed my avatar. I was an early supporter of Rand, and the first to realize the pros and cons of his "appeal to the teocons" strategy. I will go forward being "cautiously optimistic".
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    thanks!

    If you like it remember to checkout the bumper sticker, t-shirt and hoodie in the OP.
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    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

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    he's unelectable sorry....presidential elections are all about personality and image. Look at Reagan, the grandfatherly Hollywood actor, Bush the folksy "compassionate conservative", Obama the "first black president".

    Rand needs to focus on building a coalition and influencing the party to become more libertarian
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    Quote Originally Posted by liveandletlive View Post
    he's unelectable sorry....presidential elections are all about personality and image. Look at Reagan, the grandfatherly Hollywood actor, Bush the folksy "compassionate conservative", Obama the "first black president".

    Rand needs to focus on building a coalition and influencing the party to become more libertarian
    Rand has plenty of personality, in my opinion. He comes across as being a common man, which people can relate to. He won't be seen as an out of touch elitist like Romney.
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    Quote Originally Posted by liveandletlive View Post
    he's unelectable sorry....presidential elections are all about personality and image.
    Unelectable? Seriously? Who died and made you Fox News?

    Quote Originally Posted by liveandletlive View Post
    Look at Reagan, the grandfatherly Hollywood actor, Bush the folksy "compassionate conservative", Obama the "first black president".
    'Tricky Dick' Nixon the glowering ratfucker, Bush Sr. the doubletalking CIA douchebag, Johnson the homely, gladhanding, career Senator...

    Quote Originally Posted by liveandletlive View Post
    Rand needs to focus on building a coalition and influencing the party to become more libertarian
    And the 'bully pulpit' is just the place for him to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peace&Freedom View Post
    First things first---Rand has to mend fences with many Ron Paul supporters who were totally disgusted by his endorsement of Romney.
    Just damn. Don't we have enough problems getting a principled conservative the nomination without demanding he piss off 85% of the rank and file? I say his 'endorsement' was plenty lukewarm enough, thank you.

    This is about our liberty and our nation, not our fragile egos. If his votes are right, we're damned fools not to do everything we possibly can to put him in the White House.
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    Rand endorsed ROmney... but he took shots at Romney during the general elections. Not like he praised romney all through the elections.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Updated the OP, thanks torch

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    Quote Originally Posted by liveandletlive View Post
    [...] Obama the "first black president" [...]
    Bill Clinton was the "first black president." Didn't you know?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Bill Clinton was the "first black president." Didn't you know?
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    I never realized how horribly he played that instrument. And the idiot gallery just cheers him on....

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    Bump.

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    I don't like the word "Republicans." Rand should be able to draw a lot of blue dog Democrats. Just like the "Reagan Democrats" of 1980.We want a huge tent. Should just say Rand Paul 2016 Join Or Die.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anaconda View Post
    Should just say Rand Paul 2016 Join Or Die.
    Hmm well I guess it did work for Puff Daddy...

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    Quote Originally Posted by liveandletlive View Post
    presidential elections are all about personality and image.
    Rand has the exclusive rights to the libertarian freedom fighter image. He has evolved into a very engaging orator. Plus by 2016 people will be voting for whomever they believe can take us out of the financial Armageddon of 2013-2014.

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    very cool banner

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    Edit this video imo:

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    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

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