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Kludge is a douchebag
And why?
I am the spoon.
Electoral college, not for any reason in particular other than not wanting the United States to become a "democracy". We still have a semblance of the Republic that the Founding Fathers left, but I feel like instituting a popular vote would undermine that further.
I think they should be elected by RPF's.
"The Patriarch"
Avoid democracy/mob-rule, and allow the states to be properly represented on the national level. It's as the founders intended.
An another note, state legislatures should still elect congressional Senator, instead of them being elected by direct vote. Repeal the 17th amendment.
James Madison: "[T]he State Legislatures will jealously and closely watch the operations of this Government, and be able to resist with more effect every assumption of power, than any other power on earth can do; and the greatest opponents to a Federal Government admit the State Legislatures to be sure guardians of the people’s liberty."
Electoral college.
You think it's bad having Presidential candidates just visting swing states, just wait til they just visit the big cities! LA, NY, Chicago, Houston, and Philly... How do you think that's gonna turn out?
"And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat
"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire
Popular vote will never be on the liberty movement's side on a national scale. Ron Paul only had a small chance in the GOP nomination process because he had good showing in caucus states and had shadow delegates.
The average voter is too brainwashed or repeat the same mistakes over and over again.
yupOriginally Posted by alucard13mmfmj
"The Patriarch"
Like this, http://townhall.com/tipsheet/heather...bers_for_obama
"The Patriarch"
+ rep to all, the only benefit a popular vote would bring is the hastened downfall of the society. But if that's what you're looking for it would be a great tool.
"The Patriarch"
Sandy gave me some newfound respect for the Electorial college. What if the disaster had been even worse, and voting was not conducted on a wide scale? The impacted states still could cast their full Electoral Vote.
Electoral College is a controlled matrix. True candidates under this system are subverted
and our votes are ignored. We need to move towards fair and equal elections for true
change in America.
" We are taught to stay in line, not question, not think or create.
We are coddled to support their agenda of an everyday worker bee.
Education, for the sake of intellectual growth, is subverted. We are only
judged on a national test built by the same corps. that control what we are
taught in school. Any idea outside of their 'norm' is coddled to underachieve
and desensitize themselves to fit into a box that humanity shouldn't fit into."
Great example
I am the spoon.
I just gave a talk on the EC to my daughter's home school group, and this was exactly what I attempted to communicate.
In this world nothing is certain but death and taxes.
We may have arrived at a point where it does not matter as much , half the population does not vote , I have no faith in the half that does.
Mpppf, there you go spouting reality again......
"The Patriarch"
Our votes aren't fully counted... Look at provisional ballots. Our vote in the current system is manipulated to their will.
" We are taught to stay in line, not question, not think or create.
We are coddled to support their agenda of an everyday worker bee.
Education, for the sake of intellectual growth, is subverted. We are only
judged on a national test built by the same corps. that control what we are
taught in school. Any idea outside of their 'norm' is coddled to underachieve
and desensitize themselves to fit into a box that humanity shouldn't fit into."
Change for the sake of change is always bad. There is no moral reason to use one system over the other so we should stick with what we've got. The idea is that states have a say, which is commendable. I think states should try to reinforce that on the state/local level.
I like the electoral system but wish it was calculated by individual districts instead of states.
That way the entire element of swing states could be removed entirely.
It's just an opinion... man...
Someone posted here about how some College votes are split by Congressional district in Maine and Nebraska
I think we definitely need to look at this if Republicans hope to take the presidency, in states like PA.
We need to have control of a chamber and governorship to get it done.
Does anyone have a list of states with that setup and who give their college votes to dems, where we could push for this ?
At first thought, that seems like an excellent idea. That would help remove the ridiculous level of sway that so many socialist metro areas have in controlling a given state.
I think each state's electoral votes should be distributed based on percentage instead of winner take all.
I rather want state legislatures to vote in the election representing the people; democracy is horrible.
we need a list of states where the GOP controls the chamber and the governorship and where the socialist urban areas drown everyone else out in a presidential election.
I suspect it is a very small list but a state like PA is ripe for this kind of system just to make it more fair.
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Ohio is like that ( Cleveland ) , Penn is like that( Philly )....
Electoral college. To prevent a the republic from further slipping into a democracy. Repeal the 17th amendment as well.
Oh and the electoral college would work a lot better than it does if you also repealed the apportionment act of 1911 (which went into effect in 1913). You would have around 30,000 reps and thus 30,000 electors instead of 435 reps and 538 electors.
Lastly electors should be free and independent agents, unbound and free to vote their conscious as was intended.
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We need a fair electoral college - one electoral vote per congressional district, with two awarded to the winner of the state overall. Every vote would count, even a vote for Romney in California or for Obama in Texas.
Imagine how many electoral votes Obama would have received in Texas - he won all the major cities!
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