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    September 11, 1941


    Charles Lindbergh Warns of U.S. Entry Into World War II


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IMvM6nbDvQ


    In this classic and timely speech the legendary Charles Lindbergh warns against the United States involving herself in European wars and of the encroaching militarism and pro-war hysteria under the FDR administration. He gave this presentation at an America First rally a few months prior to the December 7, 1941 "surprise attack" by Japan on the U.S. naval base Pearl Harbor in Hawaii. Prior to the Japanese attack a majority of the American people wanted no part in the conflicts raging in Europe and Asia. But behind the scenes President Roosevelt, while promising to keep the U.S. out of the regional conflicts, was secretly steering the country into them.


    Charles Lindbergh Stands Against Military Interventionism, War Hawks



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuawfNXSS7U


    Charles Lindbergh warns against America involving herself in European wars and stands up for U.S. independence. One only need to look at how far our government has come to transforming into an imperialist and militarist power to fully understand Lindbergh's prophetic message.



    Links to informative writings by The New American, Lew Rockwell.com, Mises.org, and other sources of related interest:


    Dauntless High Flyer
    Charles Lindbergh campaigned to keep the United States out of war as leader of the America First Committee, then placed himself in harm's way when we did go to war.
    http://www.thefreelibrary.com/_/prin...x?id=168088534

    The 'Good War' and Defend America First
    http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig2/ramsey2.html

    Why They Hate the America First Committee
    http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewr...ves/20691.html

    America's Will to War: The Turning Point
    http://mises.org/daily/5236/Americas...-Turning-Point

    John T. Flynn and the Myth of FDR
    http://mises.org/daily/2886

    American Isolationism, 1939-1941
    http://mises.org/journals/jls/6_3/6_3_1.pdf

    Libertarians Must Never Warm to the Warfare State
    http://mises.org/daily/4449

    Pearl Harbor: The Facts Behind the Fiction
    The raid on Pearl Harbor took the U.S. Pacific Fleet by surprise, but back in Washington, the Roosevelt administration was fully aware of the coming onslaught.
    http://www.myspace.com/thelibertyavenger/blog/445421556

    Motives Behind the Betrayal
    No explanation of Pearl Harbor is more consistent with the facts than to cast blame for the treachery on pro-Communist and globalist influences within FDRs administration.
    http://www.myspace.com/thelibertyavenger/blog/445422243

    Why We Fought
    Despite popular misconceptions, America's involvement in WWII was brought on not by isolationism but by globalism—a concerted, clandestine effort to build world government.
    http://www.myspace.com/thelibertyavenger/blog/445423809

    The FDR Legacy: Lest We Forget
    http://www.myspace.com/thelibertyavenger/blog/447049456

    FDR's Patriot Purge
    In its efforts to suppress patriotic dissent, the pro-soviet FDR administration used many of the tactics falsely attributed to Senator Joe McCarthy.
    http://www.thefreelibrary.com/_/prin...x?id=103088435

    A Precedent of Silencing Dissent
    http://www.thefreelibrary.com/_/prin...px?id=81414254

    Minding Our Own Business
    American foreign policy has moved away from the prudent non-interventionism of the founders to the present policy of global police action and empire building.
    http://www.thefreelibrary.com/_/prin...px?id=83913906

    Fallacies of Isolationism Exposed
    http://www.thefreelibrary.com/_/prin...px?id=83913907

    More Americans Think U.S. Should "Mind its Own Business"
    http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews...s-own-business

    Sowing the Wind: Myths and Realities of the Second World War
    http://www.myspace.com/thelibertyavenger/blog/447046748

    Irreconcilable Differences
    In 1919, a group of patriotic senators saved America from becoming entangled in the fledgling League of Nations. These stalwart souls became known as "The Irreconcilables."
    http://www.thefreelibrary.com/_/prin...px?id=94771255

    Defenders of Sovereignty
    http://www.thefreelibrary.com/_/prin...x?id=134782947

    Imperialism, Noninterventionism, and Revolution: Opponents of the Modern American Empire
    http://www.thefreelibrary.com/_/prin...x?id=147792350

    The Other Charles Lindbergh
    http://www.thefreelibrary.com/_/prin...px?id=99164941

    A Century of War: Lincoln, Wilson, and Roosevelt
    http://mises.org/document/2674

    The Costs of War: America's Pyrrhic Victories
    http://mises.org/document/6746

    Reassessing the Presidency: The Rise of the Executive State and the Decline of Freedom
    http://mises.org/document/3358

    The Crime Called World War I
    http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig2/denson3.html

    Defending the Non-Interventionist Foreign Policy of Our Founders
    http://www.lewrockwell.com/denson/denson11.html

    The Hiroshima Myth
    http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig2/denson7.html

    FDR, Pearl Harbor and the United Nations
    http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig2/denson8.html

    War, Peace, and the State
    http://mises.org/document/1120

    War Collectivism: Power, Business, and the Intellectual Class in World War I
    http://mises.org/document/6960/War-Collectivism

    Great Wars and Great Leaders: A Libertarian Rebuttal
    http://mises.org/books/great_wars_gr...ders_raico.pdf

    Pearl Harbor: The Seeds and Fruits of Infamy
    http://mises.org/document/5364/Pearl...uits-of-Infamy

    Why We Fight
    http://www.thefreelibrary.com/_/prin...x?id=100389339

    Deceiving Us Into War
    http://www.thefreelibrary.com/_/prin...x?id=110620337

    Global Blowback
    http://www.thefreelibrary.com/_/prin...x?id=178674420

    Rethinking the Good War
    http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance181.html

    The "Global Democratic Revolution"
    http://www.thefreelibrary.com/_/prin...x?id=134674635

    Neoconservatism's Deadly Influence
    http://www.thefreelibrary.com/_/prin...x?id=158387723

    Neocons and Total War
    http://www.lewrockwell.com/stromberg/stromberg21.html

    No Accident: The Continuing Betrayal of American Interests Is a Matter of Policy
    http://www.myspace.com/thelibertyavenger/blog/545861237

    Seven Myths About the Vietnam War
    http://web.archive.org/web/200206031...win/7myths.htm

    Framework for World Government
    http://www.thefreelibrary.com/_/prin...x?id=134674630

    Toward a Global Police State
    http://www.thefreelibrary.com/_/prin...px?id=92683229

    An Internationalist Primer
    http://web.archive.org/web/200412050...12no19_cfr.htm

    Bring 'em Home!
    http://www.thefreelibrary.com/_/prin...x?id=141091239

    The Toll of U.S. Foreign Aid
    http://www.thefreelibrary.com/_/prin...x?id=251857638
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    Isn't this the man that had a nationwide manhunt for his kidnapped son?
    Something, something, something...Whatever my rage for the day.

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Plot_Against_America

    fascinating book, The Plot Against America, on this subject. Not from "Our" point of view. but still worthwhile

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Isn't this the man that had a nationwide manhunt for his kidnapped son?
    yes, but he came from a political family, being the son of a congressman. he could easily have been elected to the senate.

    and had the GOP picked him or even Hoover at the 1940 convention WWII might not have involved the USA

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    Quote Originally Posted by cindy25 View Post
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Plot_Against_America

    fascinating book, The Plot Against America, on this subject. Not from "Our" point of view. but still worthwhile
    Philip Roth is an Obama Supporter. His books are likely bias and way Left (Communist) Wing.


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    "Although Lindbergh was a leader in the anti-war America First movement, he nevertheless strongly supported the war effort after Pearl Harbor and flew many combat missions in the Pacific Theater of World War II as a civilian consultant even though President Franklin D. Roosevelt had refused to reinstate his Army Air Corps colonel's commission that he had resigned in April 1941."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    "Although Lindbergh was a leader in the anti-war America First movement, he nevertheless strongly supported the war effort after Pearl Harbor and flew many combat missions in the Pacific Theater of World War II as a civilian consultant even though President Franklin D. Roosevelt had refused to reinstate his Army Air Corps colonel's commission that he had resigned in April 1941."
    The United States was officially attacked.
    The United States officially declared war too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankRep View Post
    The United States was officially attacked.
    The United States officially declared war too.
    Really?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    "Although Lindbergh was a leader in the anti-war America First movement, he nevertheless strongly supported the war effort after Pearl Harbor and flew many combat missions in the Pacific Theater of World War II as a civilian consultant even though President Franklin D. Roosevelt had refused to reinstate his Army Air Corps colonel's commission that he had resigned in April 1941."
    Yeah most of that movement disintegrated after Pearl Harbor. So much for principles...

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    Quote Originally Posted by NIU Students for Liberty View Post
    Yeah most of that movement disintegrated after Pearl Harbor. So much for principles...
    Japan committed an act of War.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankRep View Post
    Japan committed an act of War.
    Japan didn't commit an act of war, the Japanese government responded to sanctions placed on them by the U.S. government. Neither American nor Japanese citizens benefited from the atrocities committed by both of their governments. It's unfortunate that at one time there was a strong non-interventionist sentiment in the U.S. but all it took was a revival in jingoist/nationalistic propaganda to permanently shatter that movement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NIU Students for Liberty View Post
    Japan didn't commit an act of war, the Japanese government responded to sanctions placed on them by the U.S. government. Neither American nor Japanese citizens benefited from the atrocities committed by both of their governments. It's unfortunate that at one time there was a strong non-interventionist sentiment in the U.S. but all it took was a revival in jingoist/nationalistic propaganda to permanently shatter that movement.
    ...how do economy sanctions from one country, in response to imperialist expansion, justify a military attack?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NIU Students for Liberty View Post
    Japan didn't commit an act of war, the Japanese government responded to sanctions placed on them by the U.S. government. Neither American nor Japanese citizens benefited from the atrocities committed by both of their governments. It's unfortunate that at one time there was a strong non-interventionist sentiment in the U.S. but all it took was a revival in jingoist/nationalistic propaganda to permanently shatter that movement.
    Truth. The US regime's sanctions against the Japanese were an act of war. Kamikazee blowback.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    Truth. The US regime's sanctions against the Japanese were an act of war. Kamikazee blowback.
    I hope you would agree that attacking Pearl Harbor was a pretty stupid move.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankRep View Post
    I hope you would agree that attacking Pearl Harbor was a pretty stupid move.
    Sure.
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    Wasn't Lindbergh a fan of the Nazi Party?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mello View Post
    Wasn't Lindbergh a fan of the Nazi Party?
    Don't forget that Lindbergh fought in WWII for the United States.

    Lindbergh supported Germany rebuilding itself after WWI (most people did), but he didn't realize how evil the Nazis were to become after they gained power. Lindbergh was disgusted and angered when he heard about the Nazi concentration camps.
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    Pearl Harbor was an act of war. Both the U.S. and Japan wanted to be 'the Britain of the Pacific', and it was no surprise to any knowledgable person when it all came to a head. It takes two to tango. Lindburgh was obviously one of too many who were looking at Europe, when he should have been asking questions like, do we need an empire in the Pacific? Do we dare just leave it to Japan to run an empire there? And even these questions were too late; Teddy Roosevelt was the one that conquered the Phillipines.

    Lindburgh obviously considered Pearl an act of war...

    'I start firing as the plane is completing its turn in my direction. Tracers and the 20s (20mm from the license-built Hispano Suiza cannon) find their mark, a hail of shells directly on the target. He straightens out and flies directly toward me. I hold the trigger down and my sight on his engine as we approach head-on. My tracers and my 20s spatter on his plane. We are close--too close--hurtling at each other at more than 500 mph. I pull back on the controls. His plane (a Japanese 'Sonia' single engine light bomber) suddenly zooms upward with extraordinary sharpness. Will we hit? His plane, before a slender toy in my sight, looms huge in size. A second passes--two--three--I can see the finning on his engine cylinders. There is a rough jolt of air as he shoots past behind me. My eyes sweep the sky. There are only P-38s and the plane I have just shot down.'--Charles Lindburgh diary, July 1944
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    Quote Originally Posted by thequietkid10 View Post
    ...how do economy sanctions from one country, in response to imperialist expansion, justify a military attack?
    The US had been an imperialist power in the Pacific and on Japan beginning in the 1850’s with the expedition of Commodore Matthew Perry. It brutally conquered the Philippines, in Japan's backyard, at the turn of the century and had military bases there ever since. The US wouldn’t let Japan get their oil from anyplace in their neighborhood, it had to be purchased from the US, and they wanted this to change. Bombing Pearl Harbor was a fooling way of going about it, but it was only a military target, and never made them a threat to the US, contrary to the war propaganda, that to this day is still believed by a great many.

    If the Pearl Harbor bombing justified the US decimating Japan, as the US did, then half or more of the world is justified in violently responding to the US in any way or manner they choose, because the US, and its century plus year old every expanding global empire has aggressed on them, in one way or another, which is far more than Japan did to the US.

    And it’s no accident that China was taken over by communists a few years after the US conquered and occupied Japan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    Truth. The US regime's sanctions against the Japanese were an act of war. Kamikazee blowback.
    Stupid. Refusing to assist Japan in the violation of the NAP is not a violation of the NAP. (Presentation of the concept in language that I hope you can understand)
    Out of every one hundred men they send us, ten should not even be here. Eighty will do nothing but serve as targets for the enemy. Nine are real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, upon them depends our success in battle. But one, ah the one, he is a real warrior, and he will bring the others back from battle alive.

    Duty is the most sublime word in the English language. Do your duty in all things. You can not do more than your duty. You should never wish to do less than your duty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pericles View Post
    Stupid. Refusing to assist Japan in the violation of the NAP is not a violation of the NAP. (Presentation of the concept in language that I hope you can understand)
    Who said anything about assisting Japan? The U.S. was assisting China amidst China's conflict with Japan which in turn led to sanctions being placed on Japan. Initially, did Japan commit aggression towards the U.S. (I'm talking about the events leading up to Pearl Harbor)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NIU Students for Liberty View Post
    Who said anything about assisting Japan? The U.S. was assisting China amidst China's conflict with Japan which in turn led to sanctions being placed on Japan. Initially, did Japan commit aggression towards the U.S. (I'm talking about the events leading up to Pearl Harbor)?
    Japan was buying oil and steel from the US - items very useful to military operations against China.

    Stated differently, if I refuse to sell ammunition to you, is that a violation of the NAP?
    Out of every one hundred men they send us, ten should not even be here. Eighty will do nothing but serve as targets for the enemy. Nine are real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, upon them depends our success in battle. But one, ah the one, he is a real warrior, and he will bring the others back from battle alive.

    Duty is the most sublime word in the English language. Do your duty in all things. You can not do more than your duty. You should never wish to do less than your duty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pericles View Post
    Stupid. Refusing to assist Japan in the violation of the NAP is not a violation of the NAP. (Presentation of the concept in language that I hope you can understand)
    Bombing a military target of an empire that's threatening you doesn't violate the NAP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robert68 View Post
    Bombing a military target of an empire that's threatening you doesn't violate the NAP.
    Which is to say that the NAP is a fraud. Anyone who refuses to do as I want is violating the NAP. Refusing to sell to me what I want is aggression?
    Out of every one hundred men they send us, ten should not even be here. Eighty will do nothing but serve as targets for the enemy. Nine are real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, upon them depends our success in battle. But one, ah the one, he is a real warrior, and he will bring the others back from battle alive.

    Duty is the most sublime word in the English language. Do your duty in all things. You can not do more than your duty. You should never wish to do less than your duty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pericles View Post
    Which is to say that the NAP is a fraud.
    You’re the one who brought up the NAP in this thread. Now you call it a fraud.

    Anyone who refuses to do as I want is violating the NAP. Refusing to sell to me what I want is aggression?
    No, but they were dependent on the US for products like oil, because the US wasn’t letting them get them elsewhere. That’s a violation of the NAP. Today’s Indonesia, a colony of the Dutch back then, had lots of oil, and the US wouldn’t allow them access to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robert68 View Post
    You’re the one who brought up the NAP in this thread. Now you call it a fraud.



    No, but they were dependent on the US for products like oil, because the US wasn’t letting them get them elsewhere. That’s a violation of the NAP. Today’s Indonesia, a colony of the Dutch back then, had lots of oil, and the US wouldn’t allow them access to it.
    So the US, Britain, and the Dutch East Indies agreed to embargo oil and steel shipments to Japan in August of 1941, then Japan was justified in attacking Pearl Harbor in December.

    I will suggest to you that sort of thinking is why anarchists can't get any traction. The Japanese navy started the planning for the attack on Pearl Harbor in the Spring of 1941. You guys need to read some more Rothbard to see what he says about that, so you will know what you are supposed to think.
    Out of every one hundred men they send us, ten should not even be here. Eighty will do nothing but serve as targets for the enemy. Nine are real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, upon them depends our success in battle. But one, ah the one, he is a real warrior, and he will bring the others back from battle alive.

    Duty is the most sublime word in the English language. Do your duty in all things. You can not do more than your duty. You should never wish to do less than your duty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mello View Post
    Wasn't Lindbergh a fan of the Nazi Party?
    Lindbergh was a believer in a "wall of race" that could contain "the infiltration of inferior blood".

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeMintConservative View Post
    Lindbergh was a believer in a "wall of race" that could contain "the infiltration of inferior blood".

    Don't forget that Lindbergh fought in WWII for the United States.

    Lindbergh supported Germany rebuilding itself after WWI (most people did), but he didn't realize how evil the Nazis were to become after they gained power. Lindbergh was disgusted and angered when he heard about the Nazi concentration camps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mello View Post
    Wasn't Lindbergh a fan of the Nazi Party?
    Quote Originally Posted by DeMintConservative View Post
    Lindbergh was a believer in a "wall of race" that could contain "the infiltration of inferior blood".

    Don't forget that Lindbergh fought in WWII for the United States.

    Lindbergh supported Germany rebuilding itself after WWI (most people did), but he didn't realize how evil the Nazis were to become after they gained power. Lindbergh was disgusted and angered when he heard about the Nazi concentration camps.
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