US may soon become world's top oil producer

[Republicanguy]

Some people on this board amaze me on how little is known of Energy.

So typical of people who deny, oh the future is so bright and wonderful. The ramblings of a deluded mind!

How many of you do actually read books on this subject? Freedom = madness! That is all I get from viewing so many threads. To be fair it's a good thing, but denying and giving an answer for everything is intellectually disingenuous and wrong.

We are facing serious problems, and any American leader must and does accept that.

[Travlyr]

Some people on this board amaze me on how little is known of Energy.

So typical of people who deny, oh the future is so bright and wonderful. The ramblings of a deluded mind!

How many of you do actually read books on this subject? Freedom = madness! That is all I get from viewing so many threads. To be fair it's a good thing, but denying and giving an answer for everything is intellectually disingenuous and wrong.

We are facing serious problems, and any American leader must and does accept that.

There is a lot of propaganda being promoted... that's for sure. Getting government regulations out of the way of energy producers would be a step forward. Just legalizing industrial hemp will help by reducing pollution, waste, and improving on the quality of products. It is a great green plant that is still illegal to grow in America. Like I wrote in a couple of posts back, there is enough energy to last thousands of years. People simply need to be allowed to pursue the energy alternatives. Get government out of the way.

I read Art Robinson's - "Common Sense" He tells it like it is.

[Republicanguy]

The root cause of the energy source such as renewables like Wind turbines, solar is still petroleum, not anything else.

Oil is the source of modern society, you cannot just invent free energy, as Richard Heinberg explains in The Party's over book, it would be delusion to think that humanity can sum up energy as it was a leaf on a tree branch. I believe people some here are deluded and are complacent about this subject. Somehow the free market and the lack of government inteference will solve all of this.

He also states it would be a bad idea if free energy did exist, it would delude humanity into over population. Everything in reality has limits, that isn't propaganda, perhaps my bringing up of this subject leaves people feeling annoyed or uncertain about their future if we really do face a crisis. As a socialist, yes government doesn't have all the answers, and probably shouldn't. But certain topics do tend to require government more than ever, despite special interest, or broken deals.

When Ron Paul said months ago, that he didn't have all the answers, people didn't want to hear that. They want to know that government will do something, not the free market will take care of it all. Obama's plan is to have one million electric vehicles on the road by 2015. Though that all requires capital and resources, the chinese and the Indians are going bonkers for resources especially the Chinese. Western countries are buying up fertile land for growing food in poor countries.

If Heinberg or Klare's premonitions are not taken seriously whether a statist or more individualist approach is the solution we are in for a ride.

I personally feel that I should vote for the Green party at the next Uk election.

[Travlyr]

How about we let the dinosaurs keep their oil, and their oil economy, and let the rest of us move forward with technology. Let's get government out of the way. Legalize competing currencies, industrial hemp, and energy exploration.

Art Robinson - Common Sense

It is our manufacturing industries – from steel in the Northeast to lumber in the Northwest – that form the foundation of our economy. We have plenty of natural resources for our industries. he natural resources of the United States are so vast in every category that we could not even begin to exhaust them in a thousand years.

For example, American coal, oil, natural gas, and methane clathrate resources are vast. hese four forms of hydrocarbon energy are industrially inter-convertible, so we can use the least expensive to produce the more expensive. here are today industrial plants converting coal to oil as the Germans did during World War II, and plants converting natural gas into oil.

Methane clathrates (natural gas in special forms of ice in the ocean) are so abundant that they exceed all oil, coal, and natural gas combined. Methods of recovering methane from clathrates are just being developed. Our hydrocarbon natural resources are essentially inexhaustible.

Likewise, our uranium and thorium reserves can fuel our nuclear power industry for thousands of years. Wind, sun, and hydroelectric resources are also extensive. We only need to use those technologies that are most practical and economical – a choice that can best and most wisely be made by free people competing and using their talents and abilities, and certainly not by Washington politicians.

Yet our energy industry, hobbled by the tentacles of big government, cannot now even supply our own needs. We have been importing 30% of our energy. With our economy in a slump, it is now 20%.

[Republicanguy]

You don't seem to of taken onboard what I've said, how can you invent new sources of energy when it's crude oil and natural gas, coal that has given our modern way of life. What other source of energy is going to give us the modern life we all have in the western world. Why do you think the Bush administration put forward the plan to go to the Moon. Helium 3 was the answer to that. Though there won't be a fussion reactor for fifty years.

Some people on PeakOil forums, believe Ron Paul is living in 1912. Or at least purpetuates the idea of what government was then and not up to the challenges of this century.

Convincing and changing society is no easy task. Nobody wants to sacrifice anything.

[Zippyjuan]

There are many different potential sources of energy but no single one offers the diversity of uses we get from petroluem and their costs are higher or even signficantly higher than what we currently pay for oil. We can use other things but we don't because they cost more. As oil becomes more scarce and more expensive then other alternatives become more attractive.

[Travlyr]

There are many different potential sources of energy but no single one offers the diversity of uses we get from petroluem and their costs are higher or even signficantly higher than what we currently pay for oil. We can use other things but we don't because they cost more. As oil becomes more scarce and more expensive then other alternatives become more attractive.

"THORIUM: Energy Cheaper Than Coal" by Robert Hargraves

THORIUM: energy cheaper than coal advocates lowering costs for clean energy – a market-based environmental solution.


And legalizing industrial hemp along with competing currencies is free.

[TheGrinchWhoStoleDC]

Peak oil, LMAO....

Ya know, if I had a product everyone wanted, I'd probably want them to think it's running out too.

[Zippyjuan]

Peak oil as meaing oil suddenly running out is untrue. But what is true is that consumption is running at a higher rate than new supplies are being discovered (about 83 million barrels a day or 30 billion a year http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/en...il-consumption) and that the costs of getting each additional barrel of oil gets progressively higher- more expensive so prices will continue to go up in the future. Cheap, easy to get at oil IS going to run out. All oil fields eventually hit a peak after which their output declines. And also to note is that one by one the nations which used to be net exporters of oil is shrinking as they become net importers. The US used to be the biggest exporter in the world- we are now the biggest importer. The UK went from exporter to importer in the last 20 years. Mexico and Iraq are on the verge of having their domestic consumption surpass their domestic production. Indonesia switched from an exporter to an importer.

Throium is an interesting prospect though I am skeptical when somebody claims about how cheap and clean a new energy source may be- nuclear energy was supposed to be able to provide unlimited practically free energy as well. Thrium does produce radiation though not as much as uranium or plutonium plants (thorium can produce uranium).

[Republicanguy]

Peak oil means running out of the cheap easy oil in the ground, closest to the surface of the Earth.

Petroleum is used for everything. Republican congressman of Maryland Roscoe Bartlett talks about Peak oil - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lwkyqFB-34