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    Mass pro-liberty candidates and ballot questions for the 11/6 election

    Update 11/9/12
    Here are the election results for the pro-liberty candidates and ballot questions for the 11/6/2012 election in MA that I know of.

    Liberty candidates went 3 out of 17 or an 18% success rate. The 3 liberty candidates who won were incumbents. Another liberty candidate who lost was an incumbent.
    Statewide liberty ballot questions went 1 out of 2.
    There were many local ballot questions. The majority were about increasing property taxes or issuing bonds. Some dealt with other issues like calling for an end to the war on marijuana. Unfortunately, the majority of the local questions passed.

    Lost - Libertarian Gary Johnson

    Lost - Libertarian Daniel Fishman
    US Representative, 6th Congressional District
    http://www.fishmanforcongress.com/

    Lost - Libertarian Robert Underwood
    Massachusetts Representative, Ninth Hampden District
    http://www.electbobunderwood.org/

    The Mass Liberty Caucus candidates: http://us1.campaign-archive1.com/?u=...d=340cea04d3&e
    State Senate:
    Lost - Paul Adams, Andover, http://www.votepauladams.com
    Barry Finegold
    Dem 44,223 65%
    Paul Adams
    GOP 23,648 35%

    Lost - Tom Keyes, Sandwich, http://www.votekeyes.com/
    Therese Murray
    Dem 49,615 58%
    Thomas Keyes
    GOP 35,627 42%

    State Representative:
    Won - Representative Nick Boldyga, Southwick, http://www.3rdhampden.com/
    Nicholas Boldyga
    GOP 11,672 61%
    Samuel Salvatore DiSanti
    Dem 7,403 39%

    Lost - Susannah Lee, Orange, http://www.lee4rep.com/
    Denise Andrews
    Dem 8,264 45%
    Susannah Lee
    GOP 8,084 44%
    Richard Schober
    Ind 1,906 10%

    Lost - Bill McCarthy, Worcester, http://votebillmccarthy.com/
    Angelo Puppolo
    Dem 13,228 70%
    Dennis McCarthy
    GOP 5,603 30%

    Won - Representative Kevin Kuros, Uxbridge, http://www.kevinkuros.com
    Kevin Kuros
    GOP 10,475 51%
    Robert Dubois
    Dem 9,972 49%

    Lost - Representative Steven Levy, Marlboro, http://www.stevenlevy.org/
    Jonathan Zlotnik
    Dem 8,512 51%
    Richard Bastien
    GOP 8,181 49%

    Lost - Rich Eustis, Medway, http://www.richeustis.com
    Jeffrey Roy
    Dem 11,835 54%
    Richard Eustis
    GOP 9,961 46%

    Lost - Walter Zenkin, Burlington, http://www.walterzenkin.org/
    Kenneth Gordon
    Dem 11,765 55%
    Walter Zenkin
    GOP 9,536 45%

    Lost - Karen Rhoton, North Andover, http://www.karinrhoton.com/
    Diana DiZoglio
    Dem 11,133 63%
    Karin Rhoton
    GOP 6,555 37%

    Lost - Jim Stanton, Walpole, http://www.jimstanton2012.com/
    John Lawn
    Dem 10,406 76%
    Francis Stanton
    GOP 3,290 24%

    Lost - Debra Betz, Plymouth, http://www.debrabetz.com/
    Thomas Calter
    Dem 13,378 63%
    Debra Betz
    GOP 8,008 37%

    Forum poster mz10 mentioned 2 candidates:
    Lost - Steven Levy for State Rep 4th Middlesex District
    Danielle Gregoire
    Dem 9,111 51%
    Steven Levy
    GOP 8,881 49%

    Won - Ryan Fattman for State Rep 18th Worcester District
    Ryan Fattman
    GOP 13,391 70%
    Donald Bourque
    Dem 5,729 30%

    Ballot Questions:
    Failed - Question 2 the Massachusetts Death with Dignity Initiative
    Passed - Question 3 the Massachusetts Medical Marijuana Initiative

    There were local, non-binding ballot questions dealing with the drug war. All of them were pro-liberty and they all passed.
    "Shall the State Senator/Representative from this district be instructed to vote in favor of legislation that would allow the state to regulate and tax marijuana in the same manner as alcohol?" -- won with 69% in the 2nd Middlesex Senate District, 71% in the Middlesex and Suffolk Senate District, and 72% in the 2nd Berkshire State Representative District.

    "Shall the state Senator/Representative from this district be instructed to vote in favor of a resolution calling upon Congress to repeal the federal prohibition of marijuana so that states may regulate it as they choose?" -- won with 54% in the 22nd Middlesex State Representative District, 65% in the Essex and Middlesex Senate District, and 66% in 8th Essex State Representative District.
    http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/...lection_result

    There were dozens of local tax or bond increase issues on the ballot. Maybe 1/2 of the ballot issues were about increasing property taxes. Most of the ballot issues passed but several failed. See the details. http://www.boston.com/news/special/p...012.html#local

    Anyone I missed? If so, let me know.

    Source for most of the results http://www.boston.com/news/special/p...ults-2012.html
    Last edited by Keith and stuff; 11-09-2012 at 10:08 AM.
    Lifetime member of more than 1 national gun organization and the New Hampshire Liberty Alliance. Part of Young Americans for Liberty and Campaign for Liberty. Free State Project participant and multi-year Free Talk Live AMPlifier.



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    Fishman seems pretty strong. Thinking he'll get my vote.....

    What's a libertarian analysis of question 2? I feel like I support the right for someone to be able to commit suicide if they wish, however, I think with the passing of Obamacare this feels weird to me. A slippery slope feel. NO

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    Candidates deleted. Rombots.
    Last edited by Smart3; 10-11-2012 at 05:26 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smart3 View Post
    Republicans:
    Karin Rhoton for State Rep 14th Essex District
    Jim Lyons for State Rep 18th Essex District
    Paul Adams for State Senate 2nd Essex and Middlesex District
    Beat me to it! A few others too:
    Steven Levy for State Rep 4th Middlesex District
    Ryan Fattman for State Rep 18th Worcester District

    Not all RP supporters necessarily, but very staunch fiscal conservatives. If anyone knows of others, feel free to add to this.
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    It is awesome that we have the good candidates in Mass. If you live near 1 of these candidates, please vote for the candidate!
    Lifetime member of more than 1 national gun organization and the New Hampshire Liberty Alliance. Part of Young Americans for Liberty and Campaign for Liberty. Free State Project participant and multi-year Free Talk Live AMPlifier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith and stuff View Post
    It is awesome that we have the good candidates in Mass. If you live near 1 of these candidates, please vote for the candidate!
    I think Karin Rhoton is the only one of the bunch that isn't a 3-star.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smart3 View Post
    I think Karin Rhoton is the only one of the bunch that isn't a 3-star.
    She's the only non-incumbent, so no voting record to work with, but having worked closely with her campaign she's cut from the same cloth. Lyons is a solid 4-star, easily the most conservative member of the Mass. legislature.

    As much as I'd like to see bona fide libertarians with a chance to win, there are so many RINOs in this state that I will happily take someone who is a rock-solid conservative.
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    Looking for new liberty candidates for 2014 and beyond

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    Quote Originally Posted by mz10 View Post
    She's the only non-incumbent, so no voting record to work with, but having worked closely with her campaign she's cut from the same cloth. Lyons is a solid 4-star, easily the most conservative member of the Mass. legislature.

    As much as I'd like to see bona fide libertarians with a chance to win, there are so many RINOs in this state that I will happily take someone who is a rock-solid conservative.
    I'm not sure what you mean by "4-star" if the guy endorsed Romney... being fiscally conservative isn't enough, and I'm not sure why you didn't mention your candidates are all incumbents except Rhoton. We KNOW there are no liberty candidates elected in Mass, so your candidates are not pro-liberty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smart3 View Post
    I'm not sure what you mean by "4-star" if the guy endorsed Romney... being fiscally conservative isn't enough, and I'm not sure why you didn't mention your candidates are all incumbents except Rhoton. We KNOW there are no liberty candidates elected in Mass, so your candidates are not pro-liberty.
    I couldn't care less about endorsements, does Rand Paul lose stars for endorsing Romney? Lyons has the lowest percentage of voting with Republican leadership, and it's definitely not because he's siding with Democrats. Fiscally conservative isn't enough? He's a state rep, it's not like he's gonna be sending troops to Iran. In Massachusetts, I will take Jim DeMint-style Republicans in a heartbeat.

    You're from California anyway, why are you pretending to know Massachusetts politics?
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    Looking for new liberty candidates for 2014 and beyond

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    Quote Originally Posted by mz10 View Post
    I couldn't care less about endorsements, does Rand Paul lose stars for endorsing Romney? Lyons has the lowest percentage of voting with Republican leadership, and it's definitely not because he's siding with Democrats. Fiscally conservative isn't enough? He's a state rep, it's not like he's gonna be sending troops to Iran. In Massachusetts, I will take Jim DeMint-style Republicans in a heartbeat.

    You're from California anyway, why are you pretending to know Massachusetts politics?
    Rand Paul is a Senator, he had no choice but to endorse Romney.

    I'm from America. I follow all states' politics. I was unaware your candidates endorsed Romney - not in the general election, but in the primary. That means they actually support Romney, so f--- them.
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    ― Dhammapada, v. 61

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smart3 View Post
    Rand Paul is a Senator, he had no choice but to endorse Romney.

    I'm from America. I follow all states' politics. I was unaware your candidates endorsed Romney - not in the general election, but in the primary. That means they actually support Romney, so f--- them.
    I'm from America as well, and I follow politics at least as closely as you do, and I would never pretend to know anywhere near as much about local California races as you, since you actually live there. You seem to be a staunch LP guy and more of a left-leaning libertarian, which is completely fine, but no need to pick a fight over the candidates I support just because they aren't up your alley.
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    http://us1.campaign-archive1.com/?u=...d=340cea04d3&e

    Here is the list of candidates endorsed by the Mass Liberty Caucus.
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    Looking for new liberty candidates for 2014 and beyond

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    I updated the 1st post with this info but here it is again for anyone too lazy to scroll up.
    Update 11/9/12
    Here are the election results for the pro-liberty candidates and ballot questions for the 11/6/2012 election in MA that I know of.

    Liberty candidates went 3 out of 17 or an 18% success rate. The 3 liberty candidates who won were incumbents. Another liberty candidate who lost was an incumbent.
    Statewide liberty ballot questions went 1 out of 2.
    There were many local ballot questions. The majority were about increasing property taxes or issuing bonds. Some dealt with other issues like calling for an end to the war on marijuana. Unfortunately, the majority of the local questions passed.

    Lost - Libertarian Gary Johnson

    Lost - Libertarian Daniel Fishman
    US Representative, 6th Congressional District
    http://www.fishmanforcongress.com/

    Lost - Libertarian Robert Underwood
    Massachusetts Representative, Ninth Hampden District
    http://www.electbobunderwood.org/

    The Mass Liberty Caucus candidates: http://us1.campaign-archive1.com/?u=...d=340cea04d3&e
    State Senate:
    Lost - Paul Adams, Andover, http://www.votepauladams.com
    Barry Finegold
    Dem 44,223 65%
    Paul Adams
    GOP 23,648 35%

    Lost - Tom Keyes, Sandwich, http://www.votekeyes.com/
    Therese Murray
    Dem 49,615 58%
    Thomas Keyes
    GOP 35,627 42%

    State Representative:
    Won - Representative Nick Boldyga, Southwick, http://www.3rdhampden.com/
    Nicholas Boldyga
    GOP 11,672 61%
    Samuel Salvatore DiSanti
    Dem 7,403 39%

    Lost - Susannah Lee, Orange, http://www.lee4rep.com/
    Denise Andrews
    Dem 8,264 45%
    Susannah Lee
    GOP 8,084 44%
    Richard Schober
    Ind 1,906 10%

    Lost - Bill McCarthy, Worcester, http://votebillmccarthy.com/
    Angelo Puppolo
    Dem 13,228 70%
    Dennis McCarthy
    GOP 5,603 30%

    Won - Representative Kevin Kuros, Uxbridge, http://www.kevinkuros.com
    Kevin Kuros
    GOP 10,475 51%
    Robert Dubois
    Dem 9,972 49%

    Lost - Representative Steven Levy, Marlboro, http://www.stevenlevy.org/
    Jonathan Zlotnik
    Dem 8,512 51%
    Richard Bastien
    GOP 8,181 49%

    Lost - Rich Eustis, Medway, http://www.richeustis.com
    Jeffrey Roy
    Dem 11,835 54%
    Richard Eustis
    GOP 9,961 46%

    Lost - Walter Zenkin, Burlington, http://www.walterzenkin.org/
    Kenneth Gordon
    Dem 11,765 55%
    Walter Zenkin
    GOP 9,536 45%

    Lost - Karen Rhoton, North Andover, http://www.karinrhoton.com/
    Diana DiZoglio
    Dem 11,133 63%
    Karin Rhoton
    GOP 6,555 37%

    Lost - Jim Stanton, Walpole, http://www.jimstanton2012.com/
    John Lawn
    Dem 10,406 76%
    Francis Stanton
    GOP 3,290 24%

    Lost - Debra Betz, Plymouth, http://www.debrabetz.com/
    Thomas Calter
    Dem 13,378 63%
    Debra Betz
    GOP 8,008 37%

    Forum poster mz10 mentioned 2 candidates:
    Lost - Steven Levy for State Rep 4th Middlesex District
    Danielle Gregoire
    Dem 9,111 51%
    Steven Levy
    GOP 8,881 49%

    Won - Ryan Fattman for State Rep 18th Worcester District
    Ryan Fattman
    GOP 13,391 70%
    Donald Bourque
    Dem 5,729 30%

    Ballot Questions:
    Failed - Question 2 the Massachusetts Death with Dignity Initiative
    Passed - Question 3 the Massachusetts Medical Marijuana Initiative

    There were local, non-binding ballot questions dealing with the drug war. All of them were pro-liberty and they all passed.
    "Shall the State Senator/Representative from this district be instructed to vote in favor of legislation that would allow the state to regulate and tax marijuana in the same manner as alcohol?" -- won with 69% in the 2nd Middlesex Senate District, 71% in the Middlesex and Suffolk Senate District, and 72% in the 2nd Berkshire State Representative District.

    "Shall the state Senator/Representative from this district be instructed to vote in favor of a resolution calling upon Congress to repeal the federal prohibition of marijuana so that states may regulate it as they choose?" -- won with 54% in the 22nd Middlesex State Representative District, 65% in the Essex and Middlesex Senate District, and 66% in 8th Essex State Representative District.
    http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/...lection_result

    There were dozens of local tax or bond increase issues on the ballot. Maybe 1/2 of the ballot issues were about increasing property taxes. Most of the ballot issues passed but several failed. See the details. http://www.boston.com/news/special/p...012.html#local

    Anyone I missed? If so, let me know.
    Lifetime member of more than 1 national gun organization and the New Hampshire Liberty Alliance. Part of Young Americans for Liberty and Campaign for Liberty. Free State Project participant and multi-year Free Talk Live AMPlifier.

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    In my opinion, the biggest victory (and one of the only) of the night was Jim Lyons, who easily has the most fiscally conservative voting record in the Massachusetts legislature. He won a squeaker against the former chair of the Ways and Means Committee, a serial tax-and-spender who he unseated 2 years ago. I'm not sure why he isn't on the MLC endorsement list, but seeing as he has hosted Mass Liberty events at his house, as far as I'm concerned he's endorsed by them.

    An example of some of the work he has been doing:
    http://www.bostonherald.com/news/reg...ome&position=5

    Otherwise, not a great night for the Republicans in this state. The Mass GOP needs to take a serious look at itself and start presenting a different face, otherwise it will essentially become non-existant.
    Last edited by mz10; 11-10-2012 at 09:10 AM.
    Libertarian Republican trying to help break the one-party state in Massachusetts

    Looking for new liberty candidates for 2014 and beyond

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    Sorry. I don't live in MA, I will try to remember to add him to the list when I get back home from the SFL Philly Conference. That means 4 out of 18 candidates won!
    Lifetime member of more than 1 national gun organization and the New Hampshire Liberty Alliance. Part of Young Americans for Liberty and Campaign for Liberty. Free State Project participant and multi-year Free Talk Live AMPlifier.



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