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Last edited by ClydeCoulter; 09-03-2012 at 10:23 PM.
"When a portion of wealth is transferred from the person who owns it—without his consent and without compensation, and whether by force or by fraud—to anyone who does not own it, then I say that property is violated; that an act of plunder is committed." - Bastiat : The Law
"nothing evil grows in alcohol" ~ @presence
"I mean can you imagine what it would be like if firemen acted like police officers? They would only go into a burning house only if there's a 100% chance they won't get any burns. I mean, you've got to fully protect thy self first." ~ juleswin
The campaigns messaging has been so bad most of us wont believe anything thats not Ron Paul direct to camera. This is not new. In fact this is the defence with the Newsletters. 'If you didnt see Ron say it, dont trust it.'
In New Zealand:
The Coastguard is a Charity
Air Traffic Control is a private company run on user fees
The DMV is a private non-profit
Rescue helicopters and ambulances are operated by charities and are plastered with corporate logos
The agriculture industry has zero subsidies
5% of the national vote, gets you 5 seats in Parliament
A tax return has 4 fields
Business licenses aren't a thing
Prostitution is legal
We have a constitutional right to refuse any type of medical care
Have you met GJs 'managerial skills'.?!?
In New Zealand:
The Coastguard is a Charity
Air Traffic Control is a private company run on user fees
The DMV is a private non-profit
Rescue helicopters and ambulances are operated by charities and are plastered with corporate logos
The agriculture industry has zero subsidies
5% of the national vote, gets you 5 seats in Parliament
A tax return has 4 fields
Business licenses aren't a thing
Prostitution is legal
We have a constitutional right to refuse any type of medical care
I heard the callers talking about "either" president or VP, and not limited to the Libertarian Party although that possibility was mentioned. Nothing I heard said only VP was being discussed.
That said, this would send a shock wave around the world. Many Republicans are disgusted at what happened at the convention and say they would never vote for Romney now. I think a lot of people are planning on staying home. Ron Paul says his support is far greater than they are allowed to report, which is easy to believe. If he can fill a stadium of 10,000 to capacity at UCLA they do not want you to know how strong he really is.
I say a Paul-Johnson ticket starts polling at 20-24% out of the gate, then becomes a three-way race as Obamney reveal that they are an empty suit. Paul easily makes the 15% threshold for inclusion in the presidential debates. Either way, we and Paul get to keep waking people up for another 2 months. All those college crowds show we are waking up by leaps and bounds. WE CAN'T STOP NOW.
IMO,
If all the other LP's VP candidates "decide" to step down for "any" reason, I see no problem with the LP asking RP if he wants to become their VP candidate to run with GJ in November. RP is a lifetime member of the LP as far as I know...
The LP's VP slot does not have the same rules it has for POTUS. It's not impossible if the LP people involved really want to make Liberty via Ron Paul (as the Libertarian VP) a priority. (The LP POTUS slot is the more tricky one to set up for the 50 states - impossible for RP at this point after the LP convention.)
In Nov 2012, the LP will not win and RP will not win. Obama will probably win!
Even if Mitt wins, the LP still gets >5% votes for easy LP ballot access next time. The public gets some exposure to the Liberty solutions to the century old Rep/Dem created big gov problems.
I just hope Amerika can hang on to some freedom as the empire gets ugly and sinks. I don't see any solution to that!
Last edited by FindLiberty; 09-03-2012 at 10:34 PM.
I seem to remember several polls done in January / Febuary with Ron Paul running as 3rd party against Romney and Obama. Had Paul in the 11-13% range. Honestly, with the atmosphere as it is today following the RNC...I'd bet that number is closer to 17% or even 20%. Ron can't win with those numbers, but he can certainly change the discussion and platforms of his competition without question.
Some of you are living in a bit of a bubble. The average voter has no idea what happened at the RNC and doesn't really care.
All Ron Paul supporters need to call in and say: "YES, DAMMIT! RUN!
Then RP can decide how he wants it and off we go making a dent in the 2 party system.
Maybe even a train wreck.
There is no spoon.
Some bubble. THESE people know. And they will all vote for Ron Paul.
Strauss stadium UCLA
That's for sure. I talked to the PC in the precinct just north of me (we share a polling place) and I told him I might resign, he wanted to know why and I told him what they did to Ron Paul's delegates and the Rules changes. He had no idea (He's 92 and doesn't use the internet). He asked me not to resign and come talk to him before I made my decision.
@James_Madison_Lives,
I'm not saying I won't support Ron running 3rd party, oh, yea I will
But, the LP party members will feel like we are moving in and taking over after losing in the R party. One caller, a libertarian, called in and was pissed. He said, they voted and picked their candidates, what right do we have to throw his vote away.
I really believe that all LP party members need to be on board with Ron taking a position. How would we feel in the same spot.
Yep, you are right, our country and freedom is at stake, but, let's not forget their freedom and rights. Let's handle this properly in any case.
Last edited by ClydeCoulter; 09-03-2012 at 10:59 PM.
"When a portion of wealth is transferred from the person who owns it—without his consent and without compensation, and whether by force or by fraud—to anyone who does not own it, then I say that property is violated; that an act of plunder is committed." - Bastiat : The Law
"nothing evil grows in alcohol" ~ @presence
"I mean can you imagine what it would be like if firemen acted like police officers? They would only go into a burning house only if there's a 100% chance they won't get any burns. I mean, you've got to fully protect thy self first." ~ juleswin
"When a portion of wealth is transferred from the person who owns it—without his consent and without compensation, and whether by force or by fraud—to anyone who does not own it, then I say that property is violated; that an act of plunder is committed." - Bastiat : The Law
"nothing evil grows in alcohol" ~ @presence
"I mean can you imagine what it would be like if firemen acted like police officers? They would only go into a burning house only if there's a 100% chance they won't get any burns. I mean, you've got to fully protect thy self first." ~ juleswin
Just listen, slow down for a moment (a song I wrote when very young)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/53961121/Slo..._mixdown01.mp3
"When a portion of wealth is transferred from the person who owns it—without his consent and without compensation, and whether by force or by fraud—to anyone who does not own it, then I say that property is violated; that an act of plunder is committed." - Bastiat : The Law
"nothing evil grows in alcohol" ~ @presence
"I mean can you imagine what it would be like if firemen acted like police officers? They would only go into a burning house only if there's a 100% chance they won't get any burns. I mean, you've got to fully protect thy self first." ~ juleswin
Isreal does indeed speak with Doug on occasion, I don't figure Israel to be a liar. And, your first post is full of inaccuracies, assumptions, and unfounded statements. As someone who started Rand on his Campaign, and has worked for Ron for well over a year, I would bet every dollar I have, that Ron will NOT run for President any longer.
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"A politician will do almost anything to keep their job, even become a patriot" - Hearst
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"A politician will do almost anything to keep their job, even become a patriot" - Hearst
What do Libertarian party members love about losing? Ron Paul actually gives them a chance, maybe not a big one, but a chance to see the inside of the White House in their lifetimes. Ron Paul has carried the libertarian torch for decades, and pays the price for not backing down on things like Medicare and the Dept. of Education. No one has taken as much crap as Paul has for the libertarian philosophy. Johnson has always said he would be honored to step down to VP for Ron Paul.
Whatever they lose in some states in ballot access they will gain many times over by having Paul on the ticket. They should be bending over backward to make it happen. You do not need all the states. You just need enough electors to win.
Last edited by James_Madison_Lives; 09-03-2012 at 11:50 PM.
Matt, the conference call was what it was. Evan Alaska (FB name) said he was a coordinator for Paul in Alaska and spoke with Ron. He said Ron said he wasn't sure he would run 3rd party, didn't know if the support or funds would be available. He, Evan, talked about trying to get Ron to run as VP to Gary for the most part.
You can read the past few pages of the thread to see more.
Last edited by ClydeCoulter; 09-03-2012 at 11:54 PM.
"When a portion of wealth is transferred from the person who owns it—without his consent and without compensation, and whether by force or by fraud—to anyone who does not own it, then I say that property is violated; that an act of plunder is committed." - Bastiat : The Law
"nothing evil grows in alcohol" ~ @presence
"I mean can you imagine what it would be like if firemen acted like police officers? They would only go into a burning house only if there's a 100% chance they won't get any burns. I mean, you've got to fully protect thy self first." ~ juleswin
Sycophants. I understand the dream but goddamn give it up. Multiple people within the campaign have said it won't happen.
Matt, go listen to the call, it was recorded and is on the event page.
https://www.facebook.com/#!/events/3...43690419051626
Last edited by ClydeCoulter; 09-03-2012 at 11:57 PM.
"When a portion of wealth is transferred from the person who owns it—without his consent and without compensation, and whether by force or by fraud—to anyone who does not own it, then I say that property is violated; that an act of plunder is committed." - Bastiat : The Law
"nothing evil grows in alcohol" ~ @presence
"I mean can you imagine what it would be like if firemen acted like police officers? They would only go into a burning house only if there's a 100% chance they won't get any burns. I mean, you've got to fully protect thy self first." ~ juleswin
THE SQUAD of RPF
1. enhanced_deficit - Paid Troll / John Bolton book promoter
2. Devil21 - LARPing Wizard, fake magical script reader
3. Firestarter - Tax Troll; anti-tax = "criminal behavior"
4. TheCount - Comet Pizza Pedo Denier <-- sick
@Ehanced_Deficit's real agenda on RPF =troll:
Who spends this much time copy/pasting the same recycled links, photos/talking points.
7 yrs/25k posts later RPF'ers still respond to this troll
"When a portion of wealth is transferred from the person who owns it—without his consent and without compensation, and whether by force or by fraud—to anyone who does not own it, then I say that property is violated; that an act of plunder is committed." - Bastiat : The Law
"nothing evil grows in alcohol" ~ @presence
"I mean can you imagine what it would be like if firemen acted like police officers? They would only go into a burning house only if there's a 100% chance they won't get any burns. I mean, you've got to fully protect thy self first." ~ juleswin
Matt Collins: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post4623525
And Doug Wead.
I don't know why Ron can't squash this foolishness instead of making this movement look like sycophants.
it's amazing.
there's a slim, slim hope that Ron Paul might run 3rd party. Nobody thinks it likely, but some have hope.
And still people come on these forums and just piss all over their fellow supporters, insulting them, crushing hope like they're paid to do it. The same as people have done with every last piece of this entire movement, people always at the ready to dismiss, deride, and reject their fellow Ron Paul supporters.
So gross.
I hope he runs. It will absolutely make my day.
"Ron Paul, not going anywhere. Ideologically pure and tough as nails!"
ABO + NOBP = Ron Paul
Romney - NOBP = Obama
Post Election Addendum -
We warned you. You insulted and cheated us. You lost. Your fault.
And, tomorrow, you can be there with some "authority" on the next conference call, just click on that link and get the details.
https://www.facebook.com/#!/events/3...43690419051626
"When a portion of wealth is transferred from the person who owns it—without his consent and without compensation, and whether by force or by fraud—to anyone who does not own it, then I say that property is violated; that an act of plunder is committed." - Bastiat : The Law
"nothing evil grows in alcohol" ~ @presence
"I mean can you imagine what it would be like if firemen acted like police officers? They would only go into a burning house only if there's a 100% chance they won't get any burns. I mean, you've got to fully protect thy self first." ~ juleswin
I'm not pissing on you or laughing at you. There are news headlines laughing at all of us because of you and rightfully so.
I'm trying to give you a dose of reality.
I guess up until November 6 we can expect some in the RP community to cling to the hope we are going to win. I question what dimension they live in.
THE SQUAD of RPF
1. enhanced_deficit - Paid Troll / John Bolton book promoter
2. Devil21 - LARPing Wizard, fake magical script reader
3. Firestarter - Tax Troll; anti-tax = "criminal behavior"
4. TheCount - Comet Pizza Pedo Denier <-- sick
@Ehanced_Deficit's real agenda on RPF =troll:
Who spends this much time copy/pasting the same recycled links, photos/talking points.
7 yrs/25k posts later RPF'ers still respond to this troll
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