Conference Call: Dr. Paul is Willing, Seeking Indications of His Support for 3rd Party Run

[ClydeCoulter]

Yes. Title says "Doug Wead." You never see Doug Wead, just some dirty hippie with a beer gut claiming to have the out and out scoop on Paul. Are we that stupid?

No, not stupid, just a lot of us are naive. Me too, to some degree, but I'm learning.

edit: And hey, I'm a long haired hippy lookin' old man with a bit of a gut, please be kind

[idiom]

The campaigns messaging has been so bad most of us wont believe anything thats not Ron Paul direct to camera. This is not new. In fact this is the defence with the Newsletters. 'If you didnt see Ron say it, dont trust it.'

[idiom]

Have you met GJs 'managerial skills'.?!?

[James_Madison_Lives]

Right, it was Evan Alaska (FB Name) that was the host. He proposed trying to get Ron to run as Gary's VP. That won't do anything for the movement and will maybe help the LP a little, but no debate with Obama and Romney for Gary.
The only thing that makes sense at all, is Paul/Johnson. But that's not what the conference call was about.

I heard the callers talking about "either" president or VP, and not limited to the Libertarian Party although that possibility was mentioned. Nothing I heard said only VP was being discussed.

That said, this would send a shock wave around the world. Many Republicans are disgusted at what happened at the convention and say they would never vote for Romney now. I think a lot of people are planning on staying home. Ron Paul says his support is far greater than they are allowed to report, which is easy to believe. If he can fill a stadium of 10,000 to capacity at UCLA they do not want you to know how strong he really is.

I say a Paul-Johnson ticket starts polling at 20-24% out of the gate, then becomes a three-way race as Obamney reveal that they are an empty suit. Paul easily makes the 15% threshold for inclusion in the presidential debates. Either way, we and Paul get to keep waking people up for another 2 months. All those college crowds show we are waking up by leaps and bounds. WE CAN'T STOP NOW.

[FindLiberty]

IMO,
If all the other LP's VP candidates "decide" to step down for "any" reason, I see no problem with the LP asking RP if he wants to become their VP candidate to run with GJ in November. RP is a lifetime member of the LP as far as I know...

The LP's VP slot does not have the same rules it has for POTUS. It's not impossible if the LP people involved really want to make Liberty via Ron Paul (as the Libertarian VP) a priority. (The LP POTUS slot is the more tricky one to set up for the 50 states - impossible for RP at this point after the LP convention.)

In Nov 2012, the LP will not win and RP will not win. Obama will probably win!

Even if Mitt wins, the LP still gets >5% votes for easy LP ballot access next time. The public gets some exposure to the Liberty solutions to the century old Rep/Dem created big gov problems.

I just hope Amerika can hang on to some freedom as the empire gets ugly and sinks. I don't see any solution to that!

[lakefx]

Yea, it could probably go to 5%, maybe, but that's not enough to get into a debate with Obama and Romney.

edit: And getting to 5% would be if we kicked ass on the net to get it out that Paul was on the ticket.

I seem to remember several polls done in January / Febuary with Ron Paul running as 3rd party against Romney and Obama. Had Paul in the 11-13% range. Honestly, with the atmosphere as it is today following the RNC...I'd bet that number is closer to 17% or even 20%. Ron can't win with those numbers, but he can certainly change the discussion and platforms of his competition without question.

[NIU Students for Liberty]

I seem to remember several polls done in January / Febuary with Ron Paul running as 3rd party against Romney and Obama. Had Paul in the 11-13% range. Honestly, with the atmosphere as it is today following the RNC...I'd bet that number is closer to 17% or even 20%. Ron can't win with those numbers, but he can certainly change the discussion and platforms of his competition without question.

Sailingaway cited polls that had him in the 17% range if I'm not mistaken.

[69360]

Some of you are living in a bit of a bubble. The average voter has no idea what happened at the RNC and doesn't really care.

[Ender]

All Ron Paul supporters need to call in and say: "YES, DAMMIT! RUN!

Then RP can decide how he wants it and off we go making a dent in the 2 party system.

Maybe even a train wreck.

[Ender]

Some of you are living in a bit of a bubble. The average voter has no idea what happened at the RNC and doesn't really care.

But WE know and that's what matters.

[James_Madison_Lives]

Some bubble. THESE people know. And they will all vote for Ron Paul.

Strauss stadium UCLA

[ClydeCoulter]

Some of you are living in a bit of a bubble. The average voter has no idea what happened at the RNC and doesn't really care.

That's for sure. I talked to the PC in the precinct just north of me (we share a polling place) and I told him I might resign, he wanted to know why and I told him what they did to Ron Paul's delegates and the Rules changes. He had no idea (He's 92 and doesn't use the internet). He asked me not to resign and come talk to him before I made my decision.

@James_Madison_Lives,
I'm not saying I won't support Ron running 3rd party, oh, yea I will
But, the LP party members will feel like we are moving in and taking over after losing in the R party. One caller, a libertarian, called in and was pissed. He said, they voted and picked their candidates, what right do we have to throw his vote away.
I really believe that all LP party members need to be on board with Ron taking a position. How would we feel in the same spot.
Yep, you are right, our country and freedom is at stake, but, let's not forget their freedom and rights. Let's handle this properly in any case.

[ClydeCoulter]

I seem to remember several polls done in January / Febuary with Ron Paul running as 3rd party against Romney and Obama. Had Paul in the 11-13% range. Honestly, with the atmosphere as it is today following the RNC...I'd bet that number is closer to 17% or even 20%. Ron can't win with those numbers, but he can certainly change the discussion and platforms of his competition without question.

My response about 5%, maybe, was Paul as VP, I know that Ron would do better if on as Pres in the polls.
That's why it needs to be Paul/Johnson to work. But read my previous post about LP member consideration.

[ClydeCoulter]

Just listen, slow down for a moment (a song I wrote when very young)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/53961121/Slo..._mixdown01.mp3

[Matt Collins]

Yes. Title says "Doug Wead." You never see Doug Wead, just some dirty hippie with a beer gut claiming to have the out and out scoop on Paul. Are we that stupid?

Isreal does indeed speak with Doug on occasion, I don't figure Israel to be a liar. And, your first post is full of inaccuracies, assumptions, and unfounded statements. As someone who started Rand on his Campaign, and has worked for Ron for well over a year, I would bet every dollar I have, that Ron will NOT run for President any longer.

[Matt Collins]

I heard the callers talking about "either" president or VP, and not limited to the Libertarian Party although that possibility was mentioned. Nothing I heard said only VP was being discussed.

For someone with such a low post count, you sure seem to be trying to stir things up over here.

Did anyone of any authority speak on this conference call?

[James_Madison_Lives]

@James_Madison_Lives,
I'm not saying I won't support Ron running 3rd party, oh, yea I will
But, the LP party members will feel like we are moving in and taking over after losing in the R party. One caller, a libertarian, called in and was pissed. He said, they voted and picked their candidates, what right do we have to throw his vote away.
I really believe that all LP party members need to be on board with Ron taking a position. How would we feel in the same spot.
Yep, you are right, our country and freedom is at stake, but, let's not forget their freedom and rights. Let's handle this properly in any case.

What do Libertarian party members love about losing? Ron Paul actually gives them a chance, maybe not a big one, but a chance to see the inside of the White House in their lifetimes. Ron Paul has carried the libertarian torch for decades, and pays the price for not backing down on things like Medicare and the Dept. of Education. No one has taken as much crap as Paul has for the libertarian philosophy. Johnson has always said he would be honored to step down to VP for Ron Paul.

Whatever they lose in some states in ballot access they will gain many times over by having Paul on the ticket. They should be bending over backward to make it happen. You do not need all the states. You just need enough electors to win.

[ClydeCoulter]

For someone with such a low post count, you sure seem to be trying to stir things up over here.

Did anyone of any authority speak on this conference call?

Matt, the conference call was what it was. Evan Alaska (FB name) said he was a coordinator for Paul in Alaska and spoke with Ron. He said Ron said he wasn't sure he would run 3rd party, didn't know if the support or funds would be available. He, Evan, talked about trying to get Ron to run as VP to Gary for the most part.
You can read the past few pages of the thread to see more.

[fr33]

Sycophants. I understand the dream but goddamn give it up. Multiple people within the campaign have said it won't happen.

[Matt Collins]

Matt, the conference call was what it was. Evan Alaska (FB name) said he was a coordinator for Paul in Alaska and spoke with Ron. He said Ron said he wasn't sure he would run 3rd party, didn't know if the support or funds would be available. He, Ean, talked about trying to get Ron to run as VP to Gary for the most part.
You can read the past few pages of the thread to see more.

What is his name? When did he speak with Ron? What did Ron say exactly, directly quoteable?

[ClydeCoulter]

What is his name? When did he speak with Ron? What did Ron say exactly, directly quoteable?

Matt, go listen to the call, it was recorded and is on the event page.

https://www.facebook.com/#!/events/3...43690419051626

[eleganz]

Sycophants. I understand the dream but goddamn give it up. Multiple people within the campaign have said it won't happen.

care to list these 'multiple people?' You said it, not me.

[Matt Collins]

Matt, go listen to the call, it was recorded and is on the event page.

https://www.facebook.com/#!/events/3...43690419051626

My time is slightly more valuable. Can someone please answer the questions in my previous post?

[ClydeCoulter]

My time is slightly more valuable. Can someone please answer the questions in my previous post?

Wow, really? I'm not going to transcribe the call.

edit: you can click on the link faster than typing a comment

[fr33]

care to list these 'multiple people?' You said it, not me.

Matt Collins: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post4623525

And Doug Wead.

I don't know why Ron can't squash this foolishness instead of making this movement look like sycophants.

[affa]

it's amazing.

there's a slim, slim hope that Ron Paul might run 3rd party. Nobody thinks it likely, but some have hope.

And still people come on these forums and just piss all over their fellow supporters, insulting them, crushing hope like they're paid to do it. The same as people have done with every last piece of this entire movement, people always at the ready to dismiss, deride, and reject their fellow Ron Paul supporters.

So gross.

I hope he runs. It will absolutely make my day.

[WarAnonymous]

it's amazing.

there's a slim, slim hope that Ron Paul might run 3rd party. Nobody thinks it likely, but some have hope.

And still people come on these forums and just piss all over their fellow supporters, insulting them, crushing hope like they're paid to do it. The same as people have done with every last piece of this entire movement, people always at the ready to dismiss, deride, and reject their fellow Ron Paul supporters.

So gross.

I hope he runs. It will absolutely make my day.

This...

[ClydeCoulter]

My time is slightly more valuable. Can someone please answer the questions in my previous post?

And, tomorrow, you can be there with some "authority" on the next conference call, just click on that link and get the details.
https://www.facebook.com/#!/events/3...43690419051626

[fr33]

it's amazing.

there's a slim, slim hope that Ron Paul might run 3rd party. Nobody thinks it likely, but some have hope.

And still people come on these forums and just piss all over their fellow supporters, insulting them, crushing hope like they're paid to do it. The same as people have done with every last piece of this entire movement, people always at the ready to dismiss, deride, and reject their fellow Ron Paul supporters.

So gross.

I hope he runs. It will absolutely make my day.

I'm not pissing on you or laughing at you. There are news headlines laughing at all of us because of you and rightfully so.


I'm trying to give you a dose of reality.

I guess up until November 6 we can expect some in the RP community to cling to the hope we are going to win. I question what dimension they live in.

[eleganz]

Matt Collins: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post4623525

And Doug Wead.

I don't know why Ron can't squash this foolishness instead of making this movement look like sycophants.

Uhh I hope you read the post in that link. The link was merely asking people not to FLOOD the offices because the employees wouldn't appreciate it.

You claimed there were multiple sources within the campaign quashing this rumor, you only listed ONE.