Vote Gary Johnson and not Obama,Romney or write in Ron Paul

[erowe1]

The delegate strategy was part of the campaign. Your accusation that sailingaway advocates faithless electors is pure defamation.

The campaign's delegate strategy was a strategy to win delegates in primaries, caucuses, and conventions. It was never a strategy to get delegates bound to Romney to break their word and vote for Paul at the convention. Both of those strategies have been called "delegate strategies," but the former was the campaign's and the latter was not.

In the same sense, the campaign is not following the electoral college strategy (a strategy to get Romney and Obama electors to go rogue and vote for Paul in December), but we here are. What the campaign wants is irrelevant. It's what SA wants that matters. And if you value your membership here, I recommend you not criticize the electoral college strategy.

[IronPatriot]

I'm unable to write in a candidate in my state, so I will be voting for Gary Johnson.

However, if I could, I would write in Ron Paul.

[ProIndividual]

The best strategy in game theory is to vote Obama, since he has the best chance to beat Romney. It's clear unless Ron runs 3rd Party that no liberty candidates will win. Our goal then has to be making Romney lose for 3 reasons:

1. We can't control the negotiations inside the only Party we are operating if they win elections without us. We have to become the new base (those they can't win without), or we fail to win any debates. All they care about is winning, afterall.

2. If Romney wins, there is no liberty movement in the Democratic Party, and therefore we will have to wait until 2020 or 2024 to run another liberty candidate. If Obama wins, we can run another liberty candidate in 2016. It is completely irrational to set the movement back an extra 4-8 years out of emotion.

3. This emotional need to vote for someone pallatable is nonsense, logically. If we take one vote away from the GOP and give to the Obama, we just swung the vote by 2 votes each. It gives each of us the maximum voting power as a voting block. This is mathematically undeniable. If you vote 3rd Party or write-in, for someone unlikely to win, as an emotional protest, you just halved your voting power. It's irrational, illogical, and not mathematically sound.

I know you people won't listen to me...I wrote a thread about this months ago. But then blame yourselves if Romney wins a close victory and we have no liberty candidate for 8-12 years instead of just 4 years. The game theory math strategy is as clear as day. If we just used game theory in elections we'd win far more of them, or at least when we lost we'd get more favorable outcomes to set up our future battles.

But why further the liberty cause, right? Just do what is emotionally pleasing. This is my last attempt to reason with you people. Please notice, none of my reasoning was "revenge" on the GOP. I'm not making emotional arguments, unlike "I can't vote for Obama, ewwww". That kind of nonsense has no place in stratagem.

Feel free to copy and paste and start a new thread with this. I won't. I've done it once already and MAYBE got one reasoned person to change their mind. You can find my original post on the subject is my past posts. If you do not vote Obama, barring a Ron Paul 3rd Party run, you are playing with fire (the possibility Romney wins, and thereby we lose for 8-12 years). If somehow Gary Johnson gets enough support to be a contender in a 3-way race, then by all means vote for him. But he had better be within the margain of error in polling, period.

[RonPaulFanInGA]

Also, as you and I both know, Ron IS STILL in the race today every bit as much as he was a month ago. The electors haven't voted yet.

That's right. Dr. Paul hasn't formally suspended his campaign. It's time to move on to our electoral college strategy. Anybody have a list of names of the electors?

[tuggy24g]

Voting Gary Johnson is the best thing we can do! Show the two party system is not working!

[acptulsa]

Just in case anyone forgot why Rand chose not to emulate his father and decided not to continue right through to the convention.