Taxes Avoided by the Rich Could Pay Off the Deficit

[Roy L]

Lol...I was wondering if you would actually try to refute Hoppe or simply attack him personally. To be truthful I thought you would do the latter; and you did.

I refuted him in detail and you know it. I also identified the fact that he is a grotesquely stupid and dishonest lying feudal propertarian sack of $#!+, but that was only one short paragraph out of many.

If the Austrian School had any shame (they don't) they would be ashamed of Hans-Hermann Hoppe.

Since you did not refute one damn point with any of your "plenty of empirical evidence to the contrary".

I refuted every substantial claim he made, and you know it.

I will take your rant for what it is: a concession of the debate.

BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!

When all you have is name calling and insults, it means you have no case to be made at all.

That's not all I had; you know it; the great majority of what I wrote precisely identified the factual and logical deficiencies in Hoppe's "argument." You know this. You are just lying about it.

"Lie, lie ,lie, Flat-out lie, meeza hatesa gubmint".

What else can one say about bald lies?

[Zippyjuan]

When in doubt, call the other person a liar or names like "grotesquely stupid and dishonest lying feudal propertarian sack of $#!+, " is usually an indicator of being unable to offer any proof or evidence to support your claims. The term "liar" (or some form of it) appears in nearly every reply.

OOps. Said I was no longer going to respond and encourage the LVT threads to continue. I guess I lied too.

What else can one say about bald lies?

Get a wig?

[Roy L]

When in doubt, call the other person a liar or names like "grotesquely stupid and dishonest lying feudal propertarian sack of $#!+, " is usually an indicator of being unable to offer any proof or evidence to support your claims.

Not when it is accompanied by exactly such proof and evidence, it isn't.

The term "liar" (or some form of it) appears in nearly every reply.

That's because the only way to rationalize privilege, justify injustice and excuse evil is by lying. Those who choose to rationalize privilege, justify injustice and excuse evil by attacking LVT therefore always have to lie. As this and all the other threads where LVT has been discussed prove.

Get a wig?

Thanks for agreeing that there is no way to respond to bald lies other than by identifying them as such.

[MattintheCrown]

In other words, he was a member of George's choir, who sent him a trite, cheesy testimonial letter of encouragement.

I stand by my reading (quotes break notwithstanding), the whole quote, complete with implausible hearsay, sounds utterly contrived. Pure pabulum for the utterly credulous.

In other words, you simply refuse to believe it, for no particular reason. Well, that is your modus operandi.

[Roy L]

Well, tell that to the choir here, Roy, as our country is one of them, and needs a legal prohibition against itself for practicing slavery. Property, land and other taxes on actual human beings are proof of that.

Garbage. Slavery is labor compelled by force, like the labor the landless must perform for the unearned profit of landowners or die of starvation. Being required to pay for what you take is not slavery, stop lying.

Here's where Roy quotes hearsay of hearsay. This is Henry George quoting George M. Jackson who is claiming that a former slave told him:

'Master George, you say you set us free; but before God, I'm worse off than when I belonged to your father.'

He goes on to claim that the the former slave said:

The planters, on the other hand, are contented with the change.

No, he doesn't, Steven. You just made a fool of yourself again. Anyone can verify that that statement was Jackson's, not the slave's. YOU EVEN QUOTED the close-quote after, "father."

Because, as we know, former slaves talked like that way, using words like "contented".

Incredible. Your hatred of liberty, justice and truth has reached such a fevered pitch that you will say, do, and believe ANYTHING WHATEVER in order to avoid knowing facts that prove your beliefs are false and evil.

Which of course one would expect plantation owners in the South, who are among those licking their wounds, to say about the War of the Northern Aggression - which they would teach their children to hate for generations, even until now. Why, of course they would say something like "How foolish it was in us"

Being more honest and intelligent than you, yes, they would.

Which is too stupid for words, as it implies that the entire civil war was fought over slavery, and was all about saving a little bit of money.

It was fought over secession, but secession was only a issue because of slavery.

"Oops! ::: slapping forehead ::: I could have had a slavery-free enslavement V8!"

Yep.

That reminds me of Democrats who try to sound like Republicans, or Roy trying to imitate landowners. Like, "Hey, don't tax me, because I just want to continue not being a caring and decent human being, because I only like greedy things that are all about me!"

Sounds about right.

That quote by George M. Jackson screams staged and contrived. One big steaming pile of suspect crap.

Because you cannot permit yourself to know the truth.

Even IF there was a former slave who said anything REMOTELY like what was quoted (and I don't believe any did),

Then you are a fool and a historical ignoramus. The ineffectiveness of emancipation in ameliorating the material condition of the former slaves -- such as the uniform and chronic destitution of black sharecroppers -- was widely remarked at the time, and considered quite a baffling mystery. George's analysis showed why it was inevitable.

put yourself back in that time -- back into a time of anger and bitterness toward all blacks in the South, and the rise of the KKK, and system oppression like never before. You would have heard very little in that time that wasn't conciliatory. Anything to tame the beast -- especially a beast still of some means, and in power, like George M. Jackson.

Saying you were better off as the beast's slave sounds pretty conciliatory to me.

[Roy L]

In other words, you simply refuse to believe it, for no particular reason.

He has an excellent reason for refusing to believe it: he knows it proves his beliefs are false and evil.

[MattintheCrown]

He has an excellent reason for refusing to believe it: he knows it proves his beliefs are false and evil.

Yeah, my bad: I should have said "with no legitimate justification."

[DamianTV]

Wow. Not much reputation love in this thread...