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Thread: History... So it Doesn't Repeat: "A Noble Lie: OKC 1995" / Interview with the Filmmakers

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    History... So it Doesn't Repeat: "A Noble Lie: OKC 1995" / Interview with the Filmmakers

    In AF's thread about Ruby Ridge someone brought up the OKC bombing. Here is an interview with documentary filmmakers, Holland Vandennieuwenhof and James Lane. They discuss their film, "A Noble Lie: OKC 1995" http://www.anoblelie.com/

    The interview is about an hour long. It's a great primer for those of us here who may not know all that much about our Government's involvement, and subsequent coverup in the bombing.




    More on OKC:

    253. Secret Police Murder and Cover-Up
    Jesse Trentadue talks to Lew Rockwell about the torture-murder of his brother, Kenneth, the Oklahoma City Bombing, and a highly suspicious sting operation.
    http://www.lewrockwell.com/lewrockwe...-and-cover-up/



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    A Nobel Lie is an excellent documentary! +rep
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    A Nobel Lie is an excellent documentary! +rep
    I've been meaning to watch it, just haven't got around to it yet. The interview I posted just came out today. It was put out by the folks over at www.tragedyandhope.com
    If you're unfamiliar with the website, I highly recommend checking it out. You can also subscribe to their podcast called The Peace Revolution, http://peacerevolution.podomatic.com/

    It's been instrumental in helping me get to the root of the "philosophic corruption of reality" currently plaguing humanity.

    Peace!

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    These stories,,like most are not a single headline,, not a "stand alone" event in a vacuum.
    They are interconnected and overlapping.. Many of the same players involved.
    Much of the "news" sanitized.

    These were an assault on the Patriot Movement,,and on the American people.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

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    Wow. Disarm the public and load up on hollow points for the Feds.
    From the OP video.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nM0asnCXD0

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    These stories,,like most are not a single headline,, not a "stand alone" event in a vacuum.
    They are interconnected and overlapping.. Many of the same players involved.
    Much of the "news" sanitized.

    These were an assault on the Patriot Movement,,and on the American people.


    That is correct.


    Most good militias went underground because of it.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by mac_hine View Post
    I've been meaning to watch it, just haven't got around to it yet. The interview I posted just came out today. It was put out by the folks over at www.tragedyandhope.com
    If you're unfamiliar with the website, I highly recommend checking it out. You can also subscribe to their podcast called The Peace Revolution, http://peacerevolution.podomatic.com/

    It's been instrumental in helping me get to the root of the "philosophic corruption of reality" currently plaguing humanity.

    Peace!

    Thanks! I will check it out.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    These stories,,like most are not a single headline,, not a "stand alone" event in a vacuum.
    They are interconnected and overlapping.. Many of the same players involved.
    Much of the "news" sanitized.

    These were an assault on the Patriot Movement,,and on the American people.
    It's taken me a long time to realize that. I was a teenager when Ruby Ridge/Waco/OKC happened. At the time, being naive and without the internet, I totally bought into the media's/Government's narrative. I never looked into these events until I later became a RP supporter 4 years ago. If it wasn't for RP, I probably would still be asleep.

    When one finally takes that red pill and peers into the rabbit hole, it's like looking into a bottomless pit of evil.



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    Before the Internet ... the truth was hard to find but we could always trust TV news, Reuters, AP and especially The New York Times to give us the scoop.
    Last edited by Travlyr; 08-22-2012 at 02:44 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Travlyr View Post
    Before the Internet ... the truth was hard to find but we could always trust TV news, Reuters, AP and especially The New York Times to give us the scoop.
    Oh yes, definitely. LOL!


    Before the internet there was bulletin boards and fax machines to disseminate information quickly.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    I really dig Richard Grove and the rest of the seekers over at Tragedy and Hope. I'll give it a watch for sure.

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    These stories,,like most are not a single headline,, not a "stand alone" event in a vacuum.
    They are interconnected and overlapping.. Many of the same players involved.
    Much of the "news" sanitized.

    These were an assault on the Patriot Movement,,and on the American people.
    And for those interested in this, look into Danny Casolaro and what he called "the octopus". Unfortunately, the information that I've seen online about this isn't anywhere near as in depth and extensive as an article I have in an old issue of CAQ. Even since that article was written about 20 years ago, the chain of events continues with the same players, and the same line of dots continues to connect to the present day.
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    Watched it. Well made, sad, alarming, at once.

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    excellent movie... saw it years ago and was a real eye opener.
    I have seen through it all... the system is against us. ALL OF IT.

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    Happy Anniversary!


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    Quiz: Test Your "Income" Tax IQ!

    Short Income Tax Video

    The Income Tax Is An Excise, And Excise Taxes Are Privilege Taxes

    The Federalist Papers, No. 15:

    Except as to the rule of appointment, the United States have an indefinite discretion to make requisitions for men and money; but they have no authority to raise either by regulations extending to the individual citizens of America.



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    Quote Originally Posted by mac_hine View Post
    It's taken me a long time to realize that. I was a teenager when Ruby Ridge/Waco/OKC happened. At the time, being naive and without the internet, I totally bought into the media's/Government's narrative. I never looked into these events until I later became a RP supporter 4 years ago. If it wasn't for RP, I probably would still be asleep.

    When one finally takes that red pill and peers into the rabbit hole, it's like looking into a bottomless pit of evil.
    Quote Originally Posted by Travlyr View Post
    Before the Internet ... the truth was hard to find but we could always trust TV news, Reuters, AP and especially The New York Times to give us the scoop.
    The internet is still a pit of misinformation, IF one does not use the litmus of accountability. Or, anything can be stated, BUT, can it be backed up?

    There is a simple rule for the web:

    That which is easy to find and easy to see has been made that way to decieve you.

    Just like mass media, but you have options with the web, The catch to options is you have to learn them before you can research them to determine that the hard to find information, is actually the truth.

    I have not seen the video but may try and find this thread later when on a laptop with wifi to check it out.

    I have a great deal of info on the WTC, Twin Towers, which is very well evidenced, independently, and had to confront extensively the misinformation and disinformation racket surrounding the "truth movement", which was one of those things created with money and power to make misinformation easy to find.

    Near the beginning of that confrontation I took the opportunity to examine a lot of info that came up on OKC as a comparison. The capacity for a misinformation campaign was not well developed so what we saw was a fairly bare assed lie. Rather than the onion, or layer after layer associated with the WTC.

    The one thing most reviews of OKC is its one most major impact, as far as I could tell; the availability of fertilizer, ammonium nitrate. Does the video mention that?
    Last edited by Christopher A. Brown; 04-19-2015 at 09:57 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher A. Brown View Post

    The one thing most reviews of OKC is its one most major impact, as far as I could tell; the availability of fertilizer, ammonium nitrate. Does the video mention that?
    Watch the video..

    That is only one increase in Government control..

    I remember this history..

    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

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    Why I don't believe the 9/11 whitewash job. Ruby Ridge, OKC, Waco, WTC 1993. There is a history of obfuscation of malfeasance by the shadow agencies. They did it it then. They are doing it now. They will continue until stopped.

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    More reason to doubt the official story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post


    More reason to doubt the official story.
    Was going to post that. +rep



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