Robin Hood Tax ?

[Roy L]

Government just needs the right people eh?

No, you are again just lying about what I have plainly written, as always.

It needs to implement policies that actually fulfill its legitimate function of securing and reconciling the equal rights of all to life, liberty, and property in the fruits of their labor.

Government is, and can never be but stupid, unfair, corrupt, and economically destructive.

That's clearly just another stupid, infantile "meeza hatesa gubmint" whine from you, as the contrasts between Slovenia and Somalia, Switzerland and Swaziland, and Canada and Cameroon prove.

I reject your attacks on the foundation of civilization in property rights.

BWAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA!!

Read and learn, dumpling:

“When the emancipation of the African was spoken of, and when the nation of Britain appeared to be taking into serious consideration the rightfulness of abolishing slavery, what tremendous evils were to follow! Trade was to be ruined, commerce was almost to cease, and manufacturers were to be bankrupt. Worse than all, private property was to be invaded (property in human flesh), the rights of planters sacrificed to the speculative notions of fanatics, and the British government was to commit an act that would forever deprive it of the confidence of British subjects.”
–Patrick Edward Dove, The Theory of Human Progression, 1850

What nice ideological company you keep: apologists for slavery.

The foundation of civilization is property in products of labor, not in land, as history proves so very conclusively. Hong Kong has NO private landowning, and it is not only highly civilized and prosperous, but routinely tops lists of the world's freest societies. The earliest foundation of Western civilization in Egypt's Old Kingdom ran on a land tax that came close to LVT, and collapsed after it abandoned that tax system. The great foundation of Western democracy and culture, ancient Athens, raised a large part of its public revenue by renting out common lands, as did Rome.

Nationalization of all land through taking of the total price of land purchase is simply land communism.

BWAHAHAHAHHHAHAAAAAAA!!

I guess that must be why KARL MARX HIMSELF called it, "capitalism's last ditch."

I guess that must be why dozens of eminent Western economists, including four (count 'em, FOUR) Nobel laureates publicly urged the XSSR to retain land in public ownership as it transitioned from communist rule to a market economy.

You are really good at finding new ways to make a fool of yourself.

And once again you are not making any converts here.

You don't know that. Others may be more willing to think than you are.

You don't understand liberty at all...It shows in your 'we need government ' line.

"To secure these rights, governments are instituted among men..."

Jefferson and the other Founders understood liberty, dumpling. You do not. When they wrote the Articles of Confederation, they made a LAND TAX the SOLE SOURCE of federal government revenue. If they had had the will to resist the landowner sabotage and greed that almost wrecked the union and resulted in the Constitution, the world would today be a far freer, fairer and wealthier place.

[Roy L]

Ah, right, all those histories about the ejection of the aboriginal Taiwanese are just fascist fictions designed to make LVT look flawed when implemented.

Quote and link...? Of course not. We've already seen your idea of supporting your claims: quotes of material that flatly contradict them.

[Steven Douglas]

Roy, would you and Eco mind very much confining the stench of LVT to the threads already hijacked?

[angelatc]

Roy, would you and Eco mind very much confining the stench of LVT to the threads already hijacked?

I suggested in another thread that we start reporting them for their relentless thread hijacking. It has no place in the movement - as it is certainly not a liberty position, but if they take it over to philosophy they can keep the anarchists amused.

[idiom]

Quote and link...? Of course not. We've already seen your idea of supporting your claims: quotes of material that flatly contradict them.

Typically the conversation has gone thusly:

Idiom: I Assert A occurred.
Citation 1: A Occurred.
Citation 2: A Occurred
Roy: Your Statements are contradictory and full of lies!!!!!!one

Sometimes you even support it with:

Roy: Yes A Occurred but...
Citation 1 cont.: A Occurred, B also occurred.
Roy: See you lied!!!11

[Zippyjuan]

It's not liberty from the government (liberty can't exist in a modern society without government), but from stupid, unfair, corrupt, economically destructive government.

That is a fabrication. All objections to LVT raised on this forum -- and everywhere else -- have been demolished, utterly.

It is the depredations of landowners that are theft and slavery in the name of the Great God Property, as already proved.

Changing what you tax does nothing to change what government does with the money or how they behave.

[awake]

How to demolish a LVT fanatic...see here

[Zippyjuan]

I think it is time to try to starve the beast- I quit feeding it for a while but was bored this weekend. Cheap entertainment.

[silverhandorder]

No no no keep feeding it I like your replies to him. Now if you grow bored with feeding him then that is another matter.

It seems the discussion about LVT is pointless since even if we had LVT we would argue whether we need government or not. Roy L and Eco would be demanding government and would be with democrats in that respect.

[idiom]

I don't know if anyone is familiar with shows like Babylon 5 or other shows about very large Space Stations...

These shows tend to portray 'realistic' economies, economies similar to earth ones.

LVT considers that these shows are highly unrealistic. Due to the lack of land, economies on very large space stations should be naturally much more Utopian due to nobody having any land to possess.

When you ponder this it clarifies how unintuitive the LVT theory is, despite its claims to be intuitive. A simple counter-factual makes it look stunningly mistaken.

Or more simply, look at Seasteading:



Again with nobody holding claim to natural resources, Seasteads would have no tax and automatically have stable utopian economies Ceteris Paribas.