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Thread: Mitt's Cousin Park Romney: "Why I Turned Against The Mormon Church"

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    Mitt's Cousin Park Romney: "Why I Turned Against The Mormon Church"




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    Cousin not brother, still good to know.

    "I became convinced that it's a fraud," Park Romney told the BBC, explaining his reason for leaving the Mormon fold.
    No one here wanted to be the Billionaire.

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    This is recent and a great documentary from the BBC:



    It's in 6 parts and a bit scattered but well worth watching.

    The LDS are a scary bunch. Don't believe the facade.

    Romney's cousin is in the video at around 39 minutes.
    Last edited by RonRules; 08-20-2012 at 07:46 AM.
    Statistics don't lie, people do.

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    Yay more Mormon bashing!!~ Thanks everyone for your support!!

    Guess you dont care that the Mormon religion is more aligned to Ron Paul and Liberty then any of you so called hypocritical Christian, Catholics are others. But know we all rather bash the LDS faith then learn about it, or respect it.

    Once again RPF can got to hell.

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    At 41:32: they already baptized as a Mormon the dead Whitney Houston.

    And Anne Frank for the 10th time, after being told repeatedly not to do so.

    The way people in cults act is really fascinating to me. Mind boggling.
    Statistics don't lie, people do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahApocalypse View Post
    Yay more Mormon bashing!!~ Thanks everyone for your support!!

    Guess you dont care that the Mormon religion is more aligned to Ron Paul and Liberty then any of you so called hypocritical Christian, Catholics are others. But know we all rather bash the LDS faith then learn about it, or respect it.
    I would equally bash a Moonie or Scientologist candidate, probably even more so.

    Cults restrict people's liberties more than any other organization I can think of. To claim Mormons value liberty is nonsense. They may want the US government out of their lives, but that's because they can better control their millions through all the various methods use to keep their people in line.

    It does need to be criticized. A Romney presidency is to be feared.
    Statistics don't lie, people do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahApocalypse View Post
    Guess you dont care that the Mormon religion is more aligned to Ron Paul and Liberty then any of you so called hypocritical Christian, Catholics are others. But know we all rather bash the LDS faith then learn about it, or respect it.
    That certainly explains why Ron Paul won Utah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    That certainly explains why Ron Paul won Utah.
    Yes and with no help from vote flipping at all!

    Statistics don't lie, people do.



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    Mormon Church elder Jeffrey Holland denies shunning occurs.

    "We don't use that word and we don't know that practice.

    "If I had a son or a daughter who left the Church or was alienated or had a problem, I can tell you I would not cut that child out of family life," he states.
    I once shared an office (~2 yrs) with a good mormon man (30+ yr old engineer). I didn't even know he was a mormon (though he was the straightest guy I ever shared a space with...lol) until I asked "What is wrong with you lately? Are you okay?".

    Though we weren't particulary close...me being a heathen and all according to Mormon teachings...he opened up to me and told me what he was going through. His life had became absolute hell because he fell in love and wanted to marry a non-mormon. His father was in the local mormon heirarchy (can't remember his title). He was threatened, shunned, and denied permission to leave the church all at the same time by not only the church, but his own father.

    I was really shocked at all of things the church and his own family were doing to him. And it was REALLY confusing to me why he thought he needed permission to leave the church so he could marry a non-mormon. In his mind, he was unable to get married to a non-mormon without their permission and official release of him to even leave the church.

    I don't know how it all ended up because I moved to another office in another building before anything was resolved, but I think of it whenever things like the OP come up.

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    I guess this may serve to undermine Romney somehow in the eyes of some? That would be good.

    I personally liked the story about his nephew being a huge Ron Paul supporter better.

    Honestly, neither story is actually damaging nor surprising in the least, however. At least not to me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PatriotOne View Post
    In his mind, he was unable to get married to a non-mormon without their permission and official release of him to even leave the church.
    Well, most people do want to maintain good relations with their family (though it's usually the bride's father who must give his blessing to the marriage). Anyway, this situation as you describe it sounds weird and unfortunate, and certainly not typical of Mormons. He must have had a really authoritarian father.

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    In this video at 16:00, PZ Myers, well known blogger professor makes the point that when politicians use piety for political capital, it's fair game from that point on. I totally agree.

    He also refers to Richard Dawkins recent comment: "Yes America manages to reach Mars despite half the country preparing to elect a man who believe he will get a planet when he dies."

    Go Dawkins!

    Michael Shermer at 18:23 start off "It would be my preference that we don't talk about religion at all ..." but goes on to makes the point that if a candidate bring his religion to the campaign, then journalists need to start asking questions. He brings up Paul Ryan as well.



    If you guys don't care about any of that stuff, let's talk about the host, a super hot neurologist and ex-girlfriend Bill Maher. She's a bit too much into herself and I hate lip rings, but other than that, that's my kind of girl.

    Last edited by RonRules; 08-20-2012 at 08:51 AM.
    Statistics don't lie, people do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonRules View Post
    I would equally bash a Moonie or Scientologist candidate, probably even more so.

    Cults restrict people's liberties more than any other organization I can think of. To claim Mormons value liberty is nonsense. They may want the US government out of their lives, but that's because they can better control their millions through all the various methods use to keep their people in line.

    It does need to be criticized. A Romney presidency is to be feared.

    Christianity was called a cult at one time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahApocalypse View Post
    Yay more Mormon bashing!!~ Thanks everyone for your support!!

    Once again RPF can got to hell.
    How collectivist of you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helmuth_hubener View Post
    Well, most people do want to maintain good relations with their family (though it's usually the bride's father who must give his blessing to the marriage). Anyway, this situation as you describe it sounds weird and unfortunate, and certainly not typical of Mormons. He must have had a really authoritarian father.
    It wasn't just his father though. The church heirarchy was putting tremendous pressure on him also. I don't know what typical Mormon behavior is, but perhaps only those Mormons wanting to do something that's against church doctrine find out (the hard way).

    My neighbor is also Mormon. The family moved in about 3 yrs ago. We became "cordial/friendly". About a yr and 1/2 ago part of our shared 6' ft cedar fence blew down in a heavy wind storm. The neighbor knew a guy (a Mormon friend of his) that he wanted to hire to rebuild it. He came over and gave a bid, which sounded fair to me, so I gave the okay and we split the bill.

    During this same storm, I sustained major damage to my roof. I filed an insurance claim and got approval to have my whole roof replaced. I let his friend bid the job (he was a contractor...jack of all trades kind of guy) along with 2 other roofing contractors. I choose one of the other contractors because their bid was quite a bit lower and he and his crew could get it done the next day....which was good because it was the rainy season.

    Wow.....unbeknownst to me was the chilling effect that decision was going to have on my relationship with my Mormon neighbor. No longer the friendly over the fence chats or he even looking at me or acknowledging me when we were both outside. I became invisible to my neighbor for months because I didn't hire his mormon friend for the roofing job. I was "shunned" for several months.

    Because I am so charming we are back on friendly/cordial terms now but I found that behavior really strange and I would never again even contemplate letting a friend of his bid on some work for me.
    Last edited by PatriotOne; 08-20-2012 at 09:27 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahApocalypse View Post
    Once again RPF can got to hell.
    I can GOT to hell!

    Really though, you're right. What the hell does this have to do with winning back my liberty? I don't care what anyone has to say about anyone else's religion. Who cares. Everybody has a religion - even if you have chosen not to have one, you still have one. Let each man decide for himself what he believes. The problems with Romney have nothing to do with his religion!
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire



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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahApocalypse View Post
    Yay more Mormon bashing!!~ Thanks everyone for your support!!

    Guess you dont care that the Mormon religion is more aligned to Ron Paul and Liberty then any of you so called hypocritical Christian, Catholics are others. But know we all rather bash the LDS faith then learn about it, or respect it.

    Once again RPF can got to hell.

    Well now...come on. Its in the news, so why not talk about it? Also, why not offer a logical and reasoned response? That's what I try to do when people attack the Bible or the Christian worldview. A Christian must always be able to give an answer for the hope that is within.

    As for the Mormon religion being aligned with Ron Paul's movement, I don't know. Why not make the case for it so we all can decide?

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    Quote Originally Posted by helmuth_hubener View Post
    I guess this may serve to undermine Romney somehow in the eyes of some? That would be good.

    I personally liked the story about his nephew being a huge Ron Paul supporter better.

    Honestly, neither story is actually damaging nor surprising in the least, however. At least not to me!

    yeah i agree with the sentiment, but that story you're thinking of was Rick Santorum's nephew being a Paul supporter. (I believe)
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    Quote Originally Posted by RonRules View Post
    At 41:32: they already baptized as a Mormon the dead Whitney Houston.

    And Anne Frank for the 10th time, after being told repeatedly not to do so.

    The way people in cults act is really fascinating to me. Mind boggling.
    Rand Paul told us that religion should be off the table. I'm inclined to agree with him.

    How did Romney bring his religion to the campaign? In 2008, I remember everybody having a fit because the Romney fundraisers were serving alcohol, and Bain's hotel chain offered PPV porn.
    Last edited by angelatc; 08-20-2012 at 12:13 PM.

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    I could care less about a person's religion as long as they do not try to use their religion it to infringe upon my liberty. That goes for all religions, quasi religions, cults, etc.
    Insanity should be defined as trusting the government to solve a problem they caused in the first place. Please do not go insane!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PatriotOne View Post
    ... His life had became absolute hell because he fell in love and wanted to marry a non-mormon. His father was in the local mormon heirarchy (can't remember his title). He was threatened, shunned, and denied permission to leave the church all at the same time by not only the church, but his own father...
    Of course this behavior is in no way exclusive to Mormons...
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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    Forum hiccup.
    Last edited by Brian4Liberty; 08-20-2012 at 12:19 PM.
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Of course this behavior is in no way exclusive to Mormons...
    For sure. I'm not picking on Mormons at all...I have no respect for any organized religion so not biased between religions. The only reason I even relayed the story was because the article quoted the following and my first hand report from my Mormon office mate was a victim of the very thing they deny happens.

    Mormon Church elder Jeffrey Holland denies shunning occurs.

    "We don't use that word and we don't know that practice.

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    UtahApocalypse has a point!!! Don't Mormon bash when trying to ZAP and ZINGER the slightly more than purely hypothetical
    potential eventual White House winning very possible GOP nominee who will dominate the news cycle out of Tampa soon. Each
    of the major religions and the branches of the major religions has true belivers and fanatics to an equal degree. Let's be nice...



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    If I am to take Governor Romney to task, it will be how many 'fatcats' he has around him, and the swirl of money...
    Personally, I do not sit in judgement on his cousin Park and until now, I had not really heard much about him at all...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aratus View Post
    If I am to take Governor Romney to task, it will be how many 'fatcats' he has around him, and the swirl of money...
    Personally, I do not sit in judgement on his cousin Park and until now, I had not really heard much about him at all...
    The Mormon angle does play into Mitt's taxes. Essentially, a Mormon has to disclose earnings to both the IRS and the Church. When keeping two sets of books, if there is a single discrepancy, someone will not not be happy. Would it be the Church, or Uncle Sam?
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by PatriotOne View Post
    I found that behavior really strange and I would never again even contemplate letting a friend of his bid on some work for me.
    Hey, neither would I. Anyway, I'm Mormon, so I'd just say it seems like you're running into some weird and anti-social Mormons. Then again, maybe we're weirder than average. Whatever; I just believe the teachings are true, so it works for me! But by all means, bash Romney for anything and everything. His being elected President would be a disaster for us LDS, I believe. He already gives us all a bad name. A Romney presidency would be a total train-wreck and really give us a bad name.

    Luckily, I don't see hardly any possibility of him getting elected. But that could just be wishful thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TonySutton View Post
    I could care less about a person's religion as long as they do not try to use their religion it to infringe upon my liberty. That goes for all religions, quasi religions, cults, etc.
    I agree up to a limit. One thing that Ron Paul says in The Revolution is that the Constitution was designed so that an executives personal views would not be relevant to his office (because he had so little power). I agree with that.

    But on another level, a person's worldview governs the decisions that he makes, his behavior, his views of government, his views of man, pretty much everything.

    One thing that I would disagree with Mormons about, and which I think is a detriment to the view of liberty that they can possess, is that they believe that man is essentially good (or at least morally neutral). In times past, the view that man is essentially good has been a philosophical foundation for total government. Atheistic Communists, for example, have the view that man is essentially good (and therefore man as he exercises power in the state is good as well).

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    It's only a matter of time before some liberty candidate with the "wrong religion" (or no religion) gets nominated for some important office and stuff like this comes back to bite us in the butt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sola_Fide View Post
    One thing that I would disagree with Mormons about, and which I think is a detriment to the view of liberty that they can possess, is that they believe that man is essentially good (or at least morally neutral). In times past, the view that man is essentially good has been a philosophical foundation for total government.
    While this is true, I think that the view that man's nature is moldable -- so that they can make a New Socialist Man or whatever -- that view is the destructive and incorrect part of this whole postmillennialist worldview of Marx, Keynes, etc.

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