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    Quote Originally Posted by AGRP View Post
    Yeah. There's gray areas with questions like this. Burning the flag or desecrating it for example. Id get pissed off just as much as anyone else and do what I can to stop it.
    I wouldn't.
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    Regardless of what the United States is, was, or will be, the National Anthem is pretty badass.

    The Pledge of Allegiance at least has "to the Republic." It's amazing what people don't process, regarding the part about the Republic, when they bleat mindlessly.
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    The reason we have an evil, immoral empire is that it is populated by evil, immoral peons. The State isn't a faceless monster...it is composed of all our petty, ignorant, self-righteous and self-absorbed neighbors.

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    I don't and won't ever honor the pledge of allegiance, but I don't mind standing up while someone sings the national anthem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philhelm View Post
    The Pledge of Allegiance at least has "to the Republic." It's amazing what people don't process, regarding the part about the Republic, when they bleat mindlessly.
    But it also calls the republic indivisible, completely denying state's rights to secession.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGambler View Post
    I use to, not anymore... Feels too submissive.
    This. I believe doing the anthem before every sporting event is a way to bind people closer to the state. I'll stand but won't sing a long. I do not honor the pledge either. I pledge alliegance to my values, my family and God but not to a government as out of control as the US is at the moment.
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    I worship the American flag as an idol.

    It is what our Christian founders wanted.
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    never. I refuse to even stand for it. It would be the equivalent of singing songs about santa clause when I know santa clause is not real. I've always believed that actions speak louder than words. The value of life is what really matters, not a national anthem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    This goes right to the heart of my transformation over the last ten years.

    The anthem still holds water, the pledge.........no.
    That's how I feel as well.

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    Star Spangled Banner > Pledge
    "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."
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    Quote Originally Posted by AGRP View Post
    I don't praise the flag or the constitution. The entire concept baffles me and if you truly understand liberty then it should baffle you.
    and you wonder why people call libertarians anarchists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brandon View Post
    But it also calls the republic indivisible, completely denying state's rights to secession.
    That's "one nation, invisible."
    Seems like a good cat, the government covers everything up.

    Good thing the nation doesn't just consist of the government.

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    Not the US one. I stand when Dixie is played. I live in an occupied country. I would never pledge allegiance to it.

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    i do not. my kids also have chosen to not do it. they are 16 and 17. a few of my sons friends do not do it due to my son telling them how he feels about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickels View Post
    and you wonder why people call libertarians anarchists.
    I don't see the correlation. Explain, plz?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AGRP View Post
    I don't praise the flag or the constitution. The entire concept baffles me and if you truly understand liberty then it should baffle you.
    That's sort of how I feel. I understand why people do such things and if I'm at a ballgame or something I will stand along with everyone else during the National Anthem, but I will not say the words nor pledge fealty to a flag.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickels View Post
    and you wonder why people call libertarians anarchists.
    Many libertarians would consider themselves anarchist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV View Post
    I do have one favore part.

    "... and to the Republic ..."
    Ahh..the exact part that makes it not about the people (country), but the state instead.

    I do not observe group acts of submission to the state, OP. They are acts in the civil religion, to the god the state. The pledge is a prayer and the anthem is their hymn.
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    I sang it at a hockey game once, but that was a paid gig. Even if I believed in national anthems (which I don't), the Star Spangled Banner never really did anything for me.
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    Jesse Ventura is so correct in his latest statements of the phony Ultra-Jingoism on Military Nationalism at sporting events.

    NASCAR is disgustingly juiced on 'war power roids' pushing it...

    TPTB have ruined the Baseball's '7th Inning Stretch' swapping 'Take Me Out To The Ballgame' to 'God Bless America' or 'National Anthem', or some other Joseph Goebbels state induced bellisim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ProIndividual View Post
    Ahh..the exact part that makes it not about the people (country), but the state instead.

    I do not observe group acts of submission to the state, OP. They are acts in the civil religion, to the god the state. The pledge is a prayer and the anthem is their hymn.
    This^^ (the Battle Hymn Of The Republic is pretty bad too...but fortunately not as popular)
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    I stand for the National Anthem and will remove my cap (if wearing one). As for the POA.. I do not say it, I do not place my hand on my heart, I do not mouth the words.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HOLLYWOOD View Post
    TPTB have ruined the Baseball's '7th Inning Stretch' swapping 'Take Me Out To The Ballgame' to 'God Bless America' or 'National Anthem', or some other Joseph Goebbels state induced bellisim.
    Say what? I was at a baseball game last year (AA), they sang "Take me out to the ballgame" at the stretch. Is this an MLB thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickels View Post
    and you wonder why people call libertarians anarchists.
    You say that as if anarchism is bad. Ever hear of anarcho-capitalism?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seth View Post
    You say that as if anarchism is bad. Ever hear of anarcho-capitalism?
    Yes anarchism is bad. Anarcho capitalism is not anarchism, both anarchists and ancaps would agree they do not deserve that label.

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    I'm surprised not that many people honor the anthem, I'm not criticizing but rather just surprised. Every country has an anthem, at least in my mind it just shows reverence to America and is noncommittal. The pledge of allegiance is a different story, and commands less respect from me.
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    Right...




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    Quote Originally Posted by thehungarian View Post
    Many libertarians would consider themselves anarchist.
    And yet without instituting the proper application of our U.S. Constitution and founding documents, there are neither any liberties nor freedoms for which to be secured; for all that would remain is individual greed, desire, and selfishness. And that is the underlying distinction between constitutionalists and libertarians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weston White View Post
    And yet without instituting the proper application of our U.S. Constitution and founding documents, there are neither any liberties nor freedoms for which to be secured; for all that would remain is individual greed, desire, and selfishness. And that is the underlying distinction between constitutionalists and libertarians.
    obviously, naive anarcho-capitalists will tell you that the market will make sure that is secured.
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    Anarcho-capitalists never claim that a truly free society will be perfect. They simply believe any society will be better without a state than with one. You act as if individual greed, desire, and selfishness are not rampant within government. The problem with government is that it can get away with things that private individuals and corporations could never do because the people believe government force is legitimate. If say, Citigroup were to create some arbitrary laws and then force everyone to give up 10% of their income so that they could enforce these laws, the people would be in open revolt. Nobody believes Citigroup has the right to rule over their life. Yet the state gets away doing this exact thing because the people believe its power is legitimate. The national anthem and pledge of allegiance are perfect examples of the state's legitimacy being ingrained in the minds of its citizens.

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