Billionaires Soros, Paulson Bet Big on Gold

[TheGrinchWhoStoleDC]

People have said the markets are manipulated forever. They aren't. No one player is big enough to move any liquid futures market or an entire stock market for any sustained period of time. Government fiscal and monetary policy are the only tools large enough to move markets.

The burden of proof is on you to prove that Soros has some inside knowledge. He and Jim Rogers were very successful long before they would have access to any "insiders."

You're acting as if manipulation and control are exclusive. They're not. No one can completely dictate control of the market, but you sure can manipulate as well as better predict with inside knowledge. To act as if the likes of Goldman Sach's is always on the winning team just by savvy investment is quite naive for a Ron Paul supporter.

So naive to the point that I don't even need to get into how that relates to this statement you made: " Government fiscal and monetary policy are the only tools large enough to move markets". Ummm yeah, again, government policy helps control, but manipulation and insider knowledge still exist regardless, and are often the same ones who are dictating that government policy.

[misean]

You're acting as if manipulation and control are exclusive. They're not. No one can completely dictate control of the market, but you sure can manipulate as well as better predict with inside knowledge. To act as if the likes of Goldman Sach's is always on the winning team just by savvy investment is quite naive for a Ron Paul supporter.

So naive to the point that I don't even need to get into how that relates to this statement you made: " Government fiscal and monetary policy are the only tools large enough to move markets". Ummm yeah, again, government policy helps control, but manipulation and insider knowledge still exist regardless, and are often the same ones who are dictating that government policy.

Manipulation is moving the price of a market so you profit. I'm not sure how you are using the definition. And is Goldman Sachs always on the winning team? If you are talking about their High Frequency Trading profits, my understanding from watching a tv segment on it is that the very best HFTs basically never have losing weeks. So if you are talking about HFTs then they are on the winning team. That isn't manipulation though.

Do honestly think the bulk of trading profits from people like Soros come from some special backdoor insight?

[extrmmxer]

There's one private entity that can manipulate and control markets. The Federal Reserve. The power to create money can manipulate and control anything, even you.

[cubical]

Manipulation is moving the price of a market so you profit. I'm not sure how you are using the definition. And is Goldman Sachs always on the winning team? If you are talking about their High Frequency Trading profits, my understanding from watching a tv segment on it is that the very best HFTs basically never have losing weeks. So if you are talking about HFTs then they are on the winning team. That isn't manipulation though.

Do honestly think the bulk of trading profits from people like Soros come from some special backdoor insight?

It's how Keynes made most of his money in the 30s. Special connections bring about great profits.

[bxm042]

Wow, my tin foil hat is spinning. Is the crash of the dollar closer then we thought?

The crash of the dollar could happen literally tomorrow. The relative stability we see today is illusory at best. Even the slightest disruption can set it off at this point, and it will look like this