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Thread: Compilation and vetting of VERIFIABLE facts of fraud/abuse/shenanigans in GOP conventions

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    Smile Compilation and vetting of VERIFIABLE facts of fraud/abuse/shenanigans in GOP conventions

    This thread is to compile VERIFIABLE facts people believe to be the true state of convention activity. This was initially started to give more facts for the LFRP lawsuit but we are continuing collection for other purposes, potential other lawsuits, exposes, etc. Please keep your comments ONLY to what happened, who can verify it, and, if you were an eye witness, if what is posted is or is not accurate. Post actual evidence as well, if you have it, briefly saying how it fits in. Also, those willing to sign affidavits to the facts should identify to which part of the facts they are willing to attest. TRUE IDENTITIES of affiants should be restricted to pms.

    I will clean up and add more to this first post later but Torchbearer did say it was accurate, and he was there and would sign an affidavit or testify if needed. Key document links will be collected and added to the bottom of this post.

    Quote Originally Posted by WhistlinDave View Post
    The issue is, the complaint needs to present a plausible claim of a violation of law with specificity. Who, what, when, where, how, and why. Apparently the complaint states the basics, but does not go into enough detail of exactly what happened to whom, and when, and where, and all that. This is why the defense is asking for it to be thrown out.

    Gilbert nailed him to the wall on the issue of "plausibility" especially when it came to the Mass. delegation, and that one was mentioned in the amended complaint too, and the judge seemed to agree.

    Basically, it needs to be re-written with more specifics included in the actual complaint.
    Who what when where and how (can't possibly need why)

    Private security (off duty police) in Louisiana State GOP convention at the specific bidding of Villiers, the self appointed temporarty chair of the convention manhandled the rightful rules chair duly elected the night before by the majority of the rules committee to force him from his elected office at the convention, breaking his fingers in the process. This even though during the process the self appointed temporary chair was removed from his seat by a majority of the state convention. Thereafter, at the bidding of Villiers, other private security manhandled Herford, the newly elected chair of the convention, knocking him to the floor and injuring his newly implanted prosthetic hip, requiring that he be removed from the convention by ambulence, and preventing him from contiuing with his duly elected position at the state convetion, requiring the election of a new chair.

    Gilbert is FREE TO USE THAT in the complaint.

    supporting video:







    LINKS TO DOCUMENTS of INTEREST CONCERNING THE LFRP CASE
    Originally posted in the LFRP thread:

    Ruling on Motion to Dismiss w/Leave to Ammend: https://www.sugarsync.com/pf/D150257_4054156_6409463
    Second Amended Complaint (LFRP) https://www.sugarsync.com/pf/D150257_4054156_6414717

    Supplemental Information Case Related Links:

    Supreme Court Ruling on Lopez Torres Case: http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/07pdf/06-766.pdf
    Excerpts from Federal election statutes: http://www.fec.gov/law/feca/feca.pdf#page=139
    Amicus Curiae: http://legal-dictionary.thefreedicti...he-court+brief
    Last edited by sailingaway; 08-23-2012 at 06:35 PM.
    "Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesn't want to hear.” -Ron Paul

    “To avoid criticism say nothing, do nothing, be nothing.” ― Aristotle



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    New requirements by RNC of Maine Ron Paul delegates - even though state rules say delegates there are not bound.

    A little over a week ago, 20 of those 21 delegates were told that their credentials were being challenged by Mr. Peter Cianchette (who headed the Romney campaign in Maine).

    The grounds for the challenge; that 20 of these 21 delegates were illegally elected to represent Maine.

    As a result, the RNC planned to not seat the entire Maine delegation at the RNC in Tampa.

    Now, here is where it gets really interesting.

    This weekend, the RNC, via Maine Republican Party Chairman Charlie Webster offered a "compromise"... take a look:

    1. A majority of the delegates sign a statement agreeing that, if Ron Paul is not on the ballot, they will vote at the Convention for Mitt Romney.

    2. Instead of Brent Tweed, Charlie Webster or Paul LePage would serve as the spokesperson for the delegation and announce the votes cast for president. That spokesperson would also handle all media on behalf of the Maine delegation.

    3. There will be nothing negative said about Mitt Romney or positive said about Obama (especially to media).

    4. The Delegation will be admitted to the Convention, and to all committee assignments, without barrier.

    5. The Contest brought by Jan Staples and Peter Cianchette will be withdrawn.

    Tonight at 10:00 PM, Reality Check is going to break down all the details of this as well as two unrelated efforts to block Gov. Romney from receiving the Republican nomination.

    For now, you can read the official response from the Maine delegation to the RNC "Compromise" here:

    DOC: Maine delegation response -
    https://docs.google.com/a/fox19.com/...vPg9gZwgg/edit

    RNC's position: https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B1W...E11dExETV9NQ1U
    http://www.fox19.com/story/19218317/...-by-cianchette

    posted by Chris Dixon, facts welcome.
    Last edited by sailingaway; 08-07-2012 at 02:30 PM.
    "Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesn't want to hear.” -Ron Paul

    “To avoid criticism say nothing, do nothing, be nothing.” ― Aristotle

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    I am willing to testify to the events at the LAGOP convention.
    "The easy confidence with which I know another man's religion is folly teaches me to suspect that my own is also." ~ Mark Twain.
    Quote Originally Posted by reduen View Post
    Perfection is simply not obtainable... Thusly, I would rather contend with the inconveniences of too much liberty than contend with the inconveniences of not enough...
    I saw that the State was half-witted, that it was timid as a lone woman with her silver spoons, and that it did not know its friends from its foes, and I lost all remaining respect for it, and pitied it."
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    Quote Originally Posted by torchbearer View Post
    I am willing to testify to the events at the LAGOP convention.
    thanks, we may end up drafting an affidavit and sending it to Gilbert supporting this, for him to work with. He has been fed a bunch of loose internet noise on some of the actions in some states, and it shows in his complaint.
    "Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesn't want to hear.” -Ron Paul

    “To avoid criticism say nothing, do nothing, be nothing.” ― Aristotle

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    The opposition has made such a thread/blog, state by state:

    htxx p//aboutmittromney.com/ron-paul-state-by-state.htm

    We need to counter those lies.
    Last edited by RonRules; 08-08-2012 at 02:14 PM.
    Statistics don't lie, people do.

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    So you gave up on this:
    H
    elp with documenting voting rights violations and election fraud abuses!?
    Shame. Nothing encourages crime than not punishing it. You are letting them get away with it.FAIL.


    Quote Originally Posted by orenbus View Post
    If I had to answer this question truthfully I'd probably piss a lot of people off lol, Barrex would be a better person to ask he doesn't seem to care lol.


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    Wi whave a wiki!

    Thanks to anonymous we have a 50 page Wiki setup to collect info in all 50 states regarding the disenfranchisement of delegates.

    Here are some example pages:
    http://l4rp.wikispaces.com/Iowa
    http://l4rp.wikispaces.com/Louisiana
    http://l4rp.wikispaces.com/Maine
    http://l4rp.wikispaces.com/Michigan
    http://l4rp.wikispaces.com/Missouri
    http://l4rp.wikispaces.com/Nevada
    http://l4rp.wikispaces.com/Washington


    It's not fully public for editing and open to 5 people for now. Three have joined.

    This is urgent. We need to collect all that evidence in one place for the lawsuit and for other future purposes.

    As a starting point, the content of this blog was used (permission requested, reference identified).
    http://jaretglenn.wordpress.com/

    Add your state's data to this thread and it will be transcribed to the wiki: Witness reports, affidavits, recordings, videos, pictures, GOP rules broken, etc. Anything that's factual and can be substantiated. No secondhand stories that would not stand court.

    Please compile the info in such a way that we can just make one cut & paste. Not a link to a thread.

    If you are dedicated to this particular project and you can provide substantial help, we'll get you on the Wiki.
    Last edited by RonRules; 08-08-2012 at 01:53 PM.
    Statistics don't lie, people do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonRules View Post
    The opposition has made such a thread/blog, state by state:

    htxx p//aboutmittromney.com/ron-paul-state-by-state.htm

    We need to counter those lies.
    I'll look at it. We need to make sure the campaign gets it, too.

    um, on the other hand, I doubt it is by the Romney campaign and has had only 88 views in all this time. I'm just going to break the link. It is false, of course, but why give it traffic?
    Last edited by sailingaway; 08-08-2012 at 07:01 PM.
    "Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesn't want to hear.” -Ron Paul

    “To avoid criticism say nothing, do nothing, be nothing.” ― Aristotle

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    If there is "proof" like pictures and voice recordings not just testimony...

    Then I believe that would reach the bar for interstate collusion..

    Really though a lawyer needs to make that call.


    Quote Originally Posted by sailingaway View Post
    Ben Swann says the letter with the new non-rules based 'requirements' for Maine delegates came from Boston. The attorney Romney's campaign sent to the Maine convention was from Boston. (The one in Nevada was from CA.) the guy called 'Charlie Cheater' who was seen in at least two states and video taped in one with a still photo in another, according to witnesses, who was passing fake slates, was told, according to a witness, by that attorney that he had done a good job and that the attorney would be looking for work for him 'Back in Boston'.

    For what it is worth.

    tod, if you think this needs to go into the stickied thread, let me know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    If there is "proof" like pictures and voice recordings not just testimony...

    Then I believe that would reach the bar for interstate collusion..

    Really though a lawyer needs to make that call.
    There is a video put together by someone there where she chases him and confronts him, but you don't see him actually passing the slates I don't think, in Maine, and then there is a still photo in another state, (shown in the video) and there is reporting that he was passing fake slates. I'll copy these to the sticky thread and clean them up later. We'll send the info with appropriate headings to Gilbert when we've cleaned it up and he can pick what he wants.
    "Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesn't want to hear.” -Ron Paul

    “To avoid criticism say nothing, do nothing, be nothing.” ― Aristotle

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