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Thread: Ouch - Gary Johnson Flip Flops and Changes The Subject On Foreign Policy Question

  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by KingNothing View Post
    That's only somewhat true. He's definitely a utilitarian, but philosophically he leans Libertarian on basically every single issue.
    his personal hopes and dreams are irrelevant when you consider the lobbying power, pressure, and culture of Washington DC, if someone is utilitarian. They become DC.
    "Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesn't want to hear.” -Ron Paul

    "Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it." -Edward Snowden



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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Yes, but foreign policy is important to me. I'm not sure who I'm going to vote for. I could vote for him as a protest vote, but if that means the LP starts compromising on its foreign policy positions as a result, I'll blame myself.

    Sigh.
    If you vote for Ron Paul, or vote and leave President blank, they will have a number showing how many bothered to vote, yet rejected the candidates on the ballot. Seems like a vote of no confidence to me.
    "Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesn't want to hear.” -Ron Paul

    "Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it." -Edward Snowden



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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post


    I'll probably vote for him, but....
    Okay. After seeing this I'm not sure we gain anything by having him get in the debates. That was just retarded. The only reason he cares about the LRA is a bunch of young trendies told him to.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  6. #34
    Agree completely. HOWEVER being allowed in the debates is just fair play. We should always be about pushing for fair play, no matter who the candidate/party.
    "Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one."
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    Quote Originally Posted by kathy88 View Post
    Agree completely. HOWEVER being allowed in the debates is just fair play. We should always be about pushing for fair play, no matter who the candidate/party.
    He was in the Debates. I watched him with an open mind at the time,, being the first I had seen of him personally.

    I was thoroughly unimpressed. And I base that on what he said.. What I just saw here only confirms that.

    Liberty is based on Principles,, not on utility.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

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  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by kathy88 View Post
    Agree completely. HOWEVER being allowed in the debates is just fair play. We should always be about pushing for fair play, no matter who the candidate/party.
    Oh sure I'm all for fair play. I didn't think it was right for the GOP to keep Alan Keys out of debates back in 2004. And I think the socialists and greens and everyone else should be allowed in the general election debates. But as far as moving the liberty ball forward....well if Gary Johnson got on the national debate stage and said some crap like this it would make people take the liberty movement less serious than not having him there at all. I knew he was weak on foreign policy but had no idea it was this bad. Strike force to "take out" the LRA? Doesn't he know that the LRA can't even outfight some teenagers with bows and arrows?

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...RA-rebel-thugs.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by sailingaway View Post
    If you vote for Ron Paul, or vote and leave President blank, they will have a number showing how many bothered to vote, yet rejected the candidates on the ballot. Seems like a vote of no confidence to me.
    In Michigan, write-in votes are not counted unless the candidate registers. Writing in Ron Paul has the same effect as not voting. I might not decide what I am going to do until I am in the booth. Last time I voted for Baldwin, largely because Paul endorsed him, but also because his views most closely represented mine.

  10. #38
    If I bother to vote this year, I'll just write in Donald Duck or something.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul
    Perhaps the most important lesson from Obamacare is that while liberty is lost incrementally, it cannot be regained incrementally. The federal leviathan continues its steady growth; sometimes boldly and sometimes quietly. Obamacare is just the latest example, but make no mistake: the statists are winning. So advocates of liberty must reject incremental approaches and fight boldly for bedrock principles.
    The epitome of libertarian populism

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