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    What In The World Is Wrong With American Kids?

    What In The World Is Wrong With American Kids?


    Michael Snyder
    The American Dream
    July 25, 2012

    What in the world has happened to the children of America? All over the United States kids are acting like half-crazed monsters, but most people seem to think that this is “normal”.


    American kids today are selfish, self-centered, sadistic, cruel, disrespectful, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, boastful, unforgiving, incredibly brutal and they possess very little self-control whatsoever. They feel entitled to everything, but they don’t want to work for any of it. They are absolutely addicted to entertainment, and they know very little about self-sacrifice. Disciplining children is not considered to be “politically correct” in America today, and with each passing year these little hellions get even worse. So what in the world is our country going to look like when all of these out of control kids grow up?

    Below I have posted a video that is likely to make you very, very angry. It is video of two 15-year-old bullies torturing a little 10-year-old boy in the back of a school bus. What makes it even worse is that the boy is a special needs student.

    The short video below only shows some of the key moments, but the truth is that the bullies physically abused this poor boy for the entire 40 minute bus trip. They constantly used racial and sexual slurs and at one point they held a very hot cigarette lighter against his skin which made him howl in pain.

    This video is a perfect example of what is wrong with the kids of America today….




    Sadly, this was not an isolated incident.

    The truth is that hellish scenes play out on the school buses of America every single day.

    In a previous article, I discussed an incredibly shocking video that showed a group of school kids taunting an elderly school bus monitor so ruthlessly that she broke down in tears.

    The video has been viewed more than 8 million times on YouTube and if you have not seen it yet you can watch it here.

    It is time to face reality – American kids are really, really messed up.

    This is one of the reasons why I am encouraging parents to get their children out of the government schools. I went to public schools all my life, and they were horrible enough back then. I feel really badly for any child that has to endure the hellholes that we call “public schools” today.

    Sadly, there are endless examples of how out of control American children are these days.

    For example, teens all over America are now playing something called “the knockout game”.

    The idea is that you pick out a random stranger on the street and then you see who can run over and knock that person out first.

    The following is from an article about one recent incident in Chicago where a group of teens actually killed an elderly man while playing the knockout game….


    Three teenagers accused of killing a 62-year-old father-of-12 in West Rogers Park were playing a game called “Pick ‘em out and knock ‘em down” when they videotaped themselves punching him in the face, prosecutors say.

    Malik Jones, 16, Nicholas Ayala, 17, and Anthony Malcolm, 18, were caught after the video of Jones fatally punching Delfino Mora was posted on Jones’ Facebook page, according to authorities.

    The three were playing a “game where the offender picks an innocent victim and knocks him out by striking him and likely robbing him as well,” Assistant Cook County State’s Attorney Terry Clancy told Judge Israel Desierto in court Monday.

    How would you like to be walking down the street one day only to have a group of teens savagely attack you for no reason and try to knock you out?

    Something has changed in America.

    Our country is becoming very sick and twisted.

    Meanwhile, our kids are becoming increasingly stupid at the same time.

    For example, according to a survey conducted by the National Geographic Society, only 37 percent of all Americans between the ages of 18 and 24 can find the nation of Iraq on a map.

    Sadly, there are many other surveys that have also shown how stupid our kids have become.

    Posted below is an excerpt from a recent article that I wrote entitled “Dumb As A Rock: You Will Be Absolutely Amazed At The Things That U.S. High School Students Do Not Know“….


    The following are some of the absolutely amazing results of a study conducted a few years ago by Common Core….

    *Only 43 percent of all U.S. high school students knew that the Civil War was fought some time between 1850 and 1900.

    *More than a quarter of all U.S. high school students thought that Christopher Columbus made his famous voyage across the Atlantic Ocean after the year 1750.

    *Approximately a third of all U.S. high school students did not know that the Bill of Rights guarantees freedom of speech and freedom of religion. (This is a topic that I touched on yesterday).

    *Only 60 percent of all U.S. students knew that World War I was fought some time between 1900 and 1950.

    Even more shocking were the results of a survey of Oklahoma high school students conducted back in 2009. The following is a list of the questions that were asked and the percentage of students that answered correctly….

    What is the supreme law of the land? 28 percent

    What do we call the first ten amendments to the Constitution? 26 percent

    What are the two parts of the U.S. Congress? 27 percent

    How many justices are there on the Supreme Court? 10 percent

    Who wrote the Declaration of Independence? 14 percent

    What ocean is on the east coast of the United States? 61 percent

    What are the two major political parties in the United States? 43 percent

    We elect a U.S. senator for how many years? 11 percent

    Who was the first President of the United States? 23 percent

    Who is in charge of the executive branch? 29 percent

    Are you surprised by those numbers?

    You shouldn’t be.

    Anyone that cannot see that there is something fundamentally wrong with American kids these days is being delusional.

    Yes, there are exceptions. There are some young people out there today that are absolutely extraordinary.

    But overall, the kids of America are a total mess.

    Not only are our kids stupid and violent, they are also very sexually active.

    In the United States today, 47 percent of all high school students have had sex.

    All of that loose sexuality has some very negative consequences.

    For example, the United States has the highest teen pregnancy rate on the entire planet.

    Is that something we should be proud of?

    In the United States today, one out of every four teen girls has at least one sexually transmitted disease.

    And there is no cure for some of those diseases. They can be treated, but they will stay with those girls for the rest of their lives.

    Are you ready for some more shocking numbers?

    The following statistics are from a survey of teen girls done by Tyra Banks….

    On average, girls are losing their virginity at 15 years of age.
    14 percent of teens who are having sex say they’re doing it at school.
    52 percent of survey respondents say they do not use protection when having sex.
    One in three says she fears having a sexually transmitted disease.
    24 percent of teens with STDs say they still have unprotected sex.
    One in five girls says she wants to be a teen mom.

    Not that our boys are doing any better.

    In fact, our boys are probably doing even worse than our girls are.

    In a previous article, I quoted a recent Business Insider article that listed some amazing statistics about boys in America….


    -In 2011, young men’s SAT scores were the worst they had been in 40 years.

    -Even Hollywood has caught on: films like Failure to Launch, Knocked Up and Jackass mock the ineptitude of this generation.

    -Boys account for 70 percent of D’s and F’s given at school.

    -Research shows guys aren’t interested in being husbands, fathers or the head of the household.

    -Boys are four to five times more likely than girls to have Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, according to the National Center for Education Statistics. Two-thirds of students in special education programs are guys.

    -The average boy spends 13 hours a week playing video games. The average girl spends 5. The average young American will spend 10,000 hours playing video games by age 21. That’s twice the time it takes to earn a bachelor’s degree.

    -The average high school boy spends two hours watching porn every week. Men can’t escape porn: 13,500 full-length commercial porn films were released in 2011, compared with 600 Hollywood films.

    -Researchers claim that internet pornography is hurting young boys’ ability to form meaningful romantic relationships because they objectify their partner.

    -It’s predicted that 60 percent of bachelor’s degrees will go to women by 2016.

    After reading all of that, is there still anyone out there that doubts that there is something fundamentally wrong with American kids?

    It is so sad to watch what is happening to future generations.


    So what is causing all of this?

    There are a lot of factors of course, but the breakdown of the family is definitely one of them.

    According to the Pew Research Center, only 51 percent of all Americans that are at least 18 years old are currently married.

    Back in 1960, 72 percent of all U.S. adults were married.

    The United States has the highest divorce rate in the world by a very wide margin, and America also has the highest percentage of one person households on the entire planet.

    Our families are weak and they are getting weaker, and our children are suffering.

    It is this type of environment that produces monsters such as James Holmes. When the basic building blocks of society break down, people tend to lose it.

    Don’t let this happen to your family or to your children. In a world that is becoming crazier and more unstable with each passing day, there is more of a need for love and family than ever before.

    So what do all of you think about the behavior of American kids these days?


    hyperlinks in article here:
    http://www.infowars.com/what-in-the-...american-kids/

    originally here:
    http://endoftheamericandream.com/arc...-american-kids
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    "One in five girls says she wants to be a teen mom."
    Thank you parents for letting your kids watch that show!!!
    "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"

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    You cant beat your kids no more without them threatening to call CPS on you.
    Both parents have to work now, so children spend most of the day in school and childcare.
    After working all day, parents don't have the energy to deal with kids, so they sit them in front the TV.
    Young kids don't really understand the difference between reality and fiction, so there brains begin to think like the TV.
    So far as they are concerned, Jersey Shore and 16 and pregnant is "normal" life.

    I say blame the government. If they didn't keep 1/3 your wages, steal your savings through inflation, and regulate who can watch your kid..
    Then maybe both parents wouldn't have to work just to scrape by, and they could actually raise their children properly.
    Last edited by LibertyRevolution; 07-28-2012 at 05:48 PM.

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    These are ALL Learned Behaviors.

    Every single problem that these "unruly" kids have been instilled into their fragile psyches by Public Schools. This is what they are taught in Math Class. Math Class doesnt teach Math, it teaches students to have nothing but contempt for every other student. History Class teaches Intellectual Submission, and whatever answers the students come up with of their own realizations is wrong because it is not in the book. Any thoughts they thought they have must be approved by the Teacher. This teaches Disobedience.

    We could go on and on and on about the specifics of the Name of the Class and what is actually Learned from the Class, but to keep this short, and sweet, this is what our entire Society has instilled into children. To teach them the behavior that is expected to be able to survive in Society is the exact opposite of what is desired. They know at some level that they have absolutely no future, and they are angry at us for destroying it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyRevolution View Post
    You cant beat your kids no more without them threading to call CPS on you.
    Both parents have to work now, so children spend most of the day in school and childcare.
    After working all day, parents don't have the energy to deal with kids, so they sit them in front the TV.
    Young kids don't really understand the difference between reality and fiction, so there brains begin to think like the TV.
    So far as they are concerned, Jersey Shore and 16 and pregnant is "normal" life.

    I say blame the government. If they didn't keep 1/3 your wages, steal your savings through inflation, and regulate who can watch your kid..
    Then maybe both parents wouldn't have to work just to scrape by, and they could actually raise their children properly.
    Aside from beating you identified all the real culprits of this problem.
    My personality type: INTJ - please forgive my weaknesses (Not naturally in tune with others feelings; may be insensitive at times, tend to respond to conflict with logic and reason, tend to believe I'm always right, tend to be unwilling or unable to accept blame )

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    Disrespectful kids are a sign of a free society, moral fascists somehow want parents to spank and punish so the state won't have to. There are two ways to teach a kid, spank or spoil, both have consequences, that's why most parents choose the middle ground, the fact there are extreme anomalies should surprise nobody, we just hear about it more because we have mbetter media and communications

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickels View Post
    Disrespectful kids are a sign of a free society, moral fascists somehow want parents to spank and punish so the state won't have to. There are two ways to teach a kid, spank or spoil, both have consequences, that's why most parents choose the middle ground, the fact there are extreme anomalies should surprise nobody, we just hear about it more because we have mbetter media and communications
    Categorically untrue. If it were, then white landowners children from 1770 to 1850 would have been running far more amok than they are today, and that did not happen. We as a society (aside from the minority racial civil rights struggle) are markedly less free than we were in the 1960's, and the kids today are far worse and more violent. Sure, there have always been hooligans, going back thousands of years I am sure, but your idea that freedom necessarily means that kids will be disrespectful is first rate poppycock. Not only does correlation not imply causation, but there is no correlation in the first place. A fallacy built on a falsehood. Folks around here are too smart for that action.

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    We have to remember that people are animals. Just like some are more attractive than others, there are some who are more intelligent, while at the same time there are people who are more capable of morality (self control). For some reason many people are lacking whatever part of their brain that helps them make moral, logical decisions. I've yet to meet someone my age who has a more traditional Christian behavior than myself, and i'm as hardcore an athiest as you will ever meet. I behave the way i do for a reason, because it results in the greatest benefit for everything. Why does my co-worker go out partying? Because it makes her feel good. There is a notable difference in reasoning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GunnyFreedom View Post
    Categorically untrue. If it were, then white landowners children from 1770 to 1850 would have been running far more amok than they are today, and that did not happen.
    Which is exactly why I never said they were free or freer than today. Kids back then feared their parents, or had no means of transportation, communication which allow them to disrepect their parents today. How is that "freedom"?

    We as a society (aside from the minority racial civil rights struggle) are markedly less free than we were in the 1960's,
    Says who?

    and the kids today are far worse and more violent. Sure, there have always been hooligans, going back thousands of years I am sure, but your idea that freedom necessarily means that kids will be disrespectful is first rate poppycock.
    No, disrespect and freedom are not synonymous, our tolerance of it is an indication of their freedom though. Disrespect for parents and authority do not take away freedom of the parent or authority, so that is ultimately MORE freedom for the children (and the population, unless it comes at another's expense).

    Not only does correlation not imply causation, but there is no correlation in the first place. A fallacy built on a falsehood. Folks around here are too smart for that action.
    never said there was any causation or whatever the hell. I simply said toleration for disrespect is a form of freedom.
    Last edited by Nickels; 07-26-2012 at 06:55 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickels View Post
    Which is exactly why I never said they were free or freer than today. Kids back then feared their parents, or had no means of transportation, communication which allow them to disrepect their parents today. How is that "freedom"?
    In the 1770's kids had access to horses, which could carry you more places than a car. Communicating 'faster' is not automatically communicating 'freer.'

    Says who?
    Do you really think America is more free in 2012 than we were in 1962? Say instead 1952 to make it easier. Seems to me the more freedom individuals had, the more respect kids had. Not less.

    No, disrespect and freedom are not synonymous, our tolerance of it is an indication of their freedom though. Disrespect for parents and authority do not take away freedom of the parent or authority, so that is ultimately MORE freedom for the children (and the population, unless it comes at another's expense).
    Tolerance of disrespect is not an indication of freedom, it is more an indication of being cowed into submission by an overarching and interventionist state apparatus. Teaching kids respect will make them far more free over the course of their lives than letting them be disrespectful and feral. We as a society are too consumed by the moment that we fail to take into account the long vision. The first 18 years of your life are but the blink of an eye compared to the remaining 70 years you live as an independent adult. Respect and discipline teaches responsibility. Without responsibility there can be no liberty.

    Any parent who cares about their kids freedom and liberty will do whatever it takes to teach them respect and discipline for that very reason. I would argue that parents who let their children run wild and feral do so because they specifically do not care about their kids freedom and liberty, or else they do not know enough about what freedom and liberty is in the first place to understand that you can't have it without responsibility.

    never said there was any causation or whatever the hell. I simply said toleration for disrespect is a form of freedom.
    No, you said, "Disrespectful kids are a sign of a free society," and I will say again that is categorically untrue. If we actually lived in a free society, then parents would feel free to discipline their children without fear of being sent to prison and having their children seized by CPS. Parents don't fail to discipline their kids because they respect their freedom, parents fail to discipline their kinds for 2 major reasons - 1) fear, they are afraid of government repercussions for disciplining their children, and 2) lack of knowledge, since the tyranny of fear started some 20-30 years ago, there are parents today who were not raised with discipline and therefore do not know how to discipline their kids.

    No parent wants their child to grow up and be a failure or a mass murderer or such. Most everybody knows that discipline is the primary key to success. If parents knew how to discipline their kids and weren't too afraid of the government to do so, then they would, precisely because they respect their kids' liberty in a free society.

    The flip-side of liberty is responsibility. The primary component of responsibility is discipline. If you really want your kids to be free and you respect their right to liberty, then you should be doubly adamant to teach them discipline as a child so that they can in fact grow up free.
    Last edited by GunnyFreedom; 07-26-2012 at 07:17 PM.

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    American kids today are selfish, self-centered, sadistic, cruel, disrespectful, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, boastful, unforgiving, incredibly brutal and they possess very little self-control whatsoever. They feel entitled to everything, but they don’t want to work for any of it. They are absolutely addicted to entertainment, and they know very little about self-sacrifice.
    I can count on one hand the amount of times I've been disobedient to my parents. Selfish, self-centered, cruel, incredibly brutal? That's not me at all but I guess it just depends on how well you were raised
    Last edited by DerailingDaTrain; 07-26-2012 at 07:42 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GunnyFreedom View Post
    In the 1770's kids had access to horses, which could carry you more places than a car. Communicating 'faster' is not automatically communicating 'freer.'
    Actually it makes a big difference. Try replacing every kid's car now with a bicycle, and take away their phone access. See how far they can run and hide without arranging with their friends to meet.

    Do you really think America is more free in 2012 than we were in 1962?
    Yes, I do. Why shouldn't I. Can you tell me why you don't?

    Say instead 1952 to make it easier. Seems to me the more freedom individuals had, the more respect kids had. Not less.
    Seems to you, that's the problem. How about we first establish if people were actually freer in 1952 vs 2012, and let's see your definition of freedom. It wouldn't surprise me at all if we have complete opposite ideas.

    Tolerance of disrespect is not an indication of freedom, it is more an indication of being cowed into submission by an overarching and interventionist state apparatus.
    You mean because the state is giving parents less freedom to spank, children have more freedom to disrespect?

    Teaching kids respect will make them far more free over the course of their lives
    Who asked you about "more free over the course of their lives"? You are really good at changing the subject to make your point. is this your way of avoiding admitting the obvious? Why do you bother saying "Yeah but in the long run I am still right" if you can simply say "I am right, now, period".

    than letting them be disrespectful and feral. We as a society are too consumed by the moment that we fail to take into account the long vision.
    Yes, we value short term freedom and instant gratification. You seem to call that non-freedom. Right?

    The first 18 years of your life are but the blink of an eye compared to the remaining 70 years you live as an independent adult. Respect and discipline teaches responsibility. Without responsibility there can be no liberty.
    You don't need responsibility or discipline if people continue to tolerate disrespect. Just like you don't need to teach your kids racism or black kids to avoid racist neighborhoods if people continue to leave back the outdated beliefs of racism.

    Any parent who cares about their kids freedom and liberty will do whatever it takes to teach them respect and discipline for that very reason.
    Any parent who wants their kids to be happy for the moment will do nothing and let them be. Just like how libertarians want the government to treat them, to be left alone and free to make mistakes, not breastfeed them from harm. You don't want the government telling you to be fiscally responsible or watch every move you do, because you want the freedom to f- up and get arrested, that's the CHOICE you make and PRICE you pay for "freedom". Do you want the government to "care about your freedom and liberty"? Or just leave you alone?

    I would argue that parents who let their children run wild and feral do so because they specifically do not care about their kids freedom and liberty, or else they do not know enough about what freedom and liberty is in the first place to understand that you can't have it without responsibility.
    Yes, you would argue that. Because you don't agree with their idea of freedom. Their idea of freedom is letting their kids do what they want, either without punishment, or let others punish them.

    No, you said, "Disrespectful kids are a sign of a free society," and I will say again that is categorically untrue. If we actually lived in a free society, then parents would feel free to discipline their children without fear of being sent to prison and having their children seized by CPS.
    Ok cool. So we agree on something. Freedom is a zero sum game, if parents are less free to spank their child into submission, children are MORE free to be wild and happy. Unless freedom children get for dissing parents comes at the expense of parents (and it might not, not if parents voluntarily give it up), it's still more freedom overall.

    Parents don't fail to discipline their kids because they respect their freedom, parents fail to discipline their kinds for 2 major reasons - 1) fear, they are afraid of government repercussions for disciplining their children, and 2) lack of knowledge, since the tyranny of fear started some 20-30 years ago, there are parents today who were not raised with discipline and therefore do not know how to discipline their kids.
    I call that respect for freedom, or tolerance of disrespect.

    No parent wants their child to grow up and be a failure or a mass murderer or such.
    But no parent wants their child to be unfree to make their choices if that's actually what they want....

    Most everybody knows that discipline is the primary key to success. If parents knew how to discipline their kids and weren't too afraid of the government to do so, then they would, precisely because they respect their kids' liberty in a free society.

    The flip-side of liberty is responsibility. The primary component of responsibility is discipline. If you really want your kids to be free and you respect their right to liberty, then you should be doubly adamant to teach them discipline as a child so that they can in fact grow up free.
    What if I could raise children to be tyrants, isn't that another way they can be free without regard to other people? Oh nevermind, even tyrants need discipline first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DerailingDaTrain View Post
    I can count on one hand the amount of times I've been disobedient to my parents. Selfish, self-centered, cruel, incredibly brutal? That's not me at all but I guess it just depends on how well you were raised
    Exactly. It's mostly about parental responsibility. Generally the less responsible the parents are, the worse the kid is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John F Kennedy III View Post
    Exactly. It's mostly about parental responsibility. Generally the less responsible the parents are, the worse the kid is.
    so the question is , what is Mr. Snyder suggesting? Should we have more government punishment or rewards for parents to be responsible? Or just accept that parents who are not, will be irresponsible and we continue to complain about their kids?

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    They are acting like and emulating the biggest and most diffuse influence in their lives: the state. The state schooled and taught them violence and welfare are the divine right of the most rigorous people to ever walk the Earth. Easy Bernanke money lets them enjoy the rewards of production while not having to be productive.

    Debasing the currency of a nation is tantamount to debasing its moral foundation...

    Sorry to say, the state that occupies America is a fascist warmongering imperialistic nation of righteous and arrogant busybodies. Bullies, blowhards and ignoramuses that preach "world democracy", which is nothing more than a soft form of communism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John F Kennedy III View Post
    Exactly. It's mostly about parental responsibility. Generally the less responsible the parents are, the worse the kid is.
    The more responsibility the state takes for your children (from you by force), the worse they will tend to turn out. The family and parental responsibility has been under tremendous attack by the state...In fact, the state apparatus was used to try and destroy the family unit - and still is. This was admitted quite openly for socialism to work as planned.



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    Quote Originally Posted by awake View Post
    The more responsibility the state takes for your children (from you by force), the worse they will tend to turn out. The family and parental responsibility has been under tremendous attack by the state...In fact, the state apparatus was used to try and destroy the family unit - and still is. This was admitted quite openly for socialism to work as planned.
    do you have data to back this up? or is that just your ideological assumption?

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    I blame it on safety regulations. Before they came around, if you were stupid you got injured or even killed for doing something dumb. Now you really have to work at it. If you were killed or maimed, you couldn't breed and pass on the dumbness genes. Now they are allowed to multiply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickels View Post
    do you have data to back this up? or is that just your ideological assumption?
    Not just my assumption, Rothbard and notable socialists all admit as much...I believe Rothbard pointed out the socialists goal of state ownership of children in public schools in his Essay Education: Free or Compulsory. Public schooling was the direct effort to undermine the role of family in eductation of the children. The public school system is simply a half measure currently...they never got the full plan in place.

    When your child comes home spouting about enviromental hollocaust and inspecting your garbage you know what public school was designed for.

    The total state needs total control.

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    Reminds me of the Pink Floyd Meatgrinder.




    We're being governed ruled by a geriatric Alzheimer patient/puppet whose strings are being pulled by an elitist oligarchy who believe they can manage the world... imagine the utter maniacal, sociopathic hubris!

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    Quote Originally Posted by awake View Post
    Not just my assumption, Rothbard and notable socialists all admit as much...I believe Rothbard pointed out the socialists goal of state ownership of children in public schools in his Essay Education: Free or Compulsory.
    What was their basis? there is a difference between goal and actual result.

    Public schooling was the direct effort to undermine the role of family in eductation of the children. The public school system is simply a half measure currently...they never got the full plan in place.

    When your child comes home spouting about enviromental hollocaust and inspecting your garbage you know what public school was designed for.

    The total state needs total control.
    where was that data again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickels View Post
    What was their basis? there is a difference between goal and actual result.



    where was that data again?
    "Wright and Owen advocated that the states simply organize a
    series of institutions for the “general reception” of all children liv-
    ing within that district. These establishments would be devoted to
    the complete rearing of the various age groups of children. The
    children would be forced to live at these places twenty-four hours
    a day. The parents would be allowed to visit their children from
    time to time. From the age of two every child would be under the
    care and guidance of the State.
    In these nurseries of a free nation, no inequality must be allowed to enter. Fed at a common board;
    clothed in a common garb...raised in the exercise of common duties... in the exercise of the same
    virtues, in the enjoyment of the same pleasures; in the study of the same nature; in pursuit of the
    same object...say! Would not such a race...work out the reform of society and perfect the free
    institutions of America?

    Owen was quite insistent that the system not “embrace any- thing less than the whole people.” The
    effect will be to “regenerate America in one generation. It will make but one class out of the
    many.” Frances Wright revealed the aim of the system starkly, call- ing on the people to overthrow
    a moneyed aristocracy and priestly hierarchy. “The present is a war of class.”
    Thus, we see that a new element has been introduced into the old use of compulsory education on
    behalf of State absolutism. A second goal is absolute equality and uniformity, and a compulsory
    school system was seen by Owen and Wright to be ideally suited to this task. First, the habits and
    minds and feelings of all the chil- dren must be molded into absolute equality; and then the nation
    will be ripe for the final step of equalization of property and incomes by means of State coercion.
    Why did Owen and Wright insist on seizing the children for twenty-four hours a day, from the age of
    two on, only releasing them when the school age was over at sixteen? As Owen declared:

    In republican schools, there must be no temptation to the growth of aristocratical prejudices.
    The pupils must learn to consider themselves as fellow citizens, as equals. Respect ought not to
    be paid to riches, or withheld from poverty. Yet, if the children from these state Schools are to
    go every evening, the one to his wealthy parent’s soft
    carpeted drawing room, and the other to its poor father’sor widowed mother’s comfortless cabin, will they return
    the next day as friends and equals?

    Likewise, differences in quality of clothing invoked feelings of envy on the part of the poor and
    disdain by the rich—which should be eliminated by forcing one uniform upon both. Through- out his
    plans there runs the hatred of human diversity, particularly of the higher living standards of the
    rich as compared to the poor. To effect his plan for thoroughgoing equalization by force, the
    schools must receive the children, not for six hours a day, but altogether must feed them, clothe
    them, lodge them; must direct not their studies only, but their occupations and amusements and
    must care for them until their edu- cation is completed.

    It might be asserted that the Owen–Wright plan is unimportant; that it had purely crackpot
    significance and little influence. The contrary is true. In the first place, the plan had a great
    deal of influ- ence: certainly the ideas of promoting equality were dominant in the thinking of the
    influential group of educationists that estab- lished and controlled the public schools of the
    nation during the
    1830s and 1840s. Furthermore, the Owen plan pushes the whole
    idea of compulsory state schooling to its logical conclusion—not
    only by promoting State absolutism and absolute equality—to
    which the system is admirably suited, but also because Owen rec-
    ognized that he had to educate the “whole child” in order to mold
    the coming generation sufficiently. Is it not probable that the “pro-
    gressive” drive to educate the “whole child” aims to mold the
    child’s entire personality in lieu of the complete Owen–Wright
    compulsory communist seizure, which no one in America would
    accept?
    The influence of the Owen–Wright plan is attested to by the fact that a contemporary laudatory
    historian of the public-school movement places it first in his story, and devotes considerable
    space to it.17 Cremin reports that a great many newspapers reprinted Owen’s essays on the plan,
    and approved them. Owen began expounding his project in the late 1820s and continued on until the
    late 1840s, when he wrote the elaborated plan with Miss Wright. It had a considerable influence on
    workers’ groups. " - M. Rothbard, Education:Free & Compulsory

  26. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by awake View Post
    "Wright and Owen advocated that the states simply organize a
    series of institutions for the “general reception” of all children liv-
    ing within that district. These establishments would be devoted to
    the complete rearing of the various age groups of children. The
    children would be forced to live at these places twenty-four hours
    a day. The parents would be allowed to visit their children from
    time to time. From the age of two every child would be under the
    care and guidance of the State.
    In these nurseries of a free nation, no inequality must be allowed to enter. Fed at a common board;
    clothed in a common garb...raised in the exercise of common duties... in the exercise of the same
    virtues, in the enjoyment of the same pleasures; in the study of the same nature; in pursuit of the
    same object...say! Would not such a race...work out the reform of society and perfect the free
    institutions of America?

    Owen was quite insistent that the system not “embrace any- thing less than the whole people.” The
    effect will be to “regenerate America in one generation. It will make but one class out of the
    many.” Frances Wright revealed the aim of the system starkly, call- ing on the people to overthrow
    a moneyed aristocracy and priestly hierarchy. “The present is a war of class.”
    Thus, we see that a new element has been introduced into the old use of compulsory education on
    behalf of State absolutism. A second goal is absolute equality and uniformity, and a compulsory
    school system was seen by Owen and Wright to be ideally suited to this task. First, the habits and
    minds and feelings of all the chil- dren must be molded into absolute equality; and then the nation
    will be ripe for the final step of equalization of property and incomes by means of State coercion.
    Why did Owen and Wright insist on seizing the children for twenty-four hours a day, from the age of
    two on, only releasing them when the school age was over at sixteen? As Owen declared:

    In republican schools, there must be no temptation to the growth of aristocratical prejudices.
    The pupils must learn to consider themselves as fellow citizens, as equals. Respect ought not to
    be paid to riches, or withheld from poverty. Yet, if the children from these state Schools are to
    go every evening, the one to his wealthy parent’s soft
    carpeted drawing room, and the other to its poor father’sor widowed mother’s comfortless cabin, will they return
    the next day as friends and equals?

    Likewise, differences in quality of clothing invoked feelings of envy on the part of the poor and
    disdain by the rich—which should be eliminated by forcing one uniform upon both. Through- out his
    plans there runs the hatred of human diversity, particularly of the higher living standards of the
    rich as compared to the poor. To effect his plan for thoroughgoing equalization by force, the
    schools must receive the children, not for six hours a day, but altogether must feed them, clothe
    them, lodge them; must direct not their studies only, but their occupations and amusements and
    must care for them until their edu- cation is completed.

    It might be asserted that the Owen–Wright plan is unimportant; that it had purely crackpot
    significance and little influence. The contrary is true. In the first place, the plan had a great
    deal of influ- ence: certainly the ideas of promoting equality were dominant in the thinking of the
    influential group of educationists that estab- lished and controlled the public schools of the
    nation during the
    1830s and 1840s. Furthermore, the Owen plan pushes the whole
    idea of compulsory state schooling to its logical conclusion—not
    only by promoting State absolutism and absolute equality—to
    which the system is admirably suited, but also because Owen rec-
    ognized that he had to educate the “whole child” in order to mold
    the coming generation sufficiently. Is it not probable that the “pro-
    gressive” drive to educate the “whole child” aims to mold the
    child’s entire personality in lieu of the complete Owen–Wright
    compulsory communist seizure, which no one in America would
    accept?
    The influence of the Owen–Wright plan is attested to by the fact that a contemporary laudatory
    historian of the public-school movement places it first in his story, and devotes considerable
    space to it.17 Cremin reports that a great many newspapers reprinted Owen’s essays on the plan,
    and approved them. Owen began expounding his project in the late 1820s and continued on until the
    late 1840s, when he wrote the elaborated plan with Miss Wright. It had a considerable influence on
    workers’ groups. " - M. Rothbard, Education:Free & Compulsory
    I didn't see anywhere in here that said

    compare country A to country B
    see how differently the government is involved in 2 countries?
    see? The one where there's more government, children are worse off.
    Change country to era, do you have an answer?

  27. #24
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    Quote Originally Posted by DerailingDaTrain View Post
    I can count on one hand the amount of times I've been disobedient to my parents. Selfish, self-centered, cruel, incredibly brutal? That's not me at all but I guess it just depends on how well you were raised
    +rep for being a good son/daughter.



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  29. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by awake View Post
    They are acting like and emulating the biggest and most diffuse influence in their lives: the state. The state schooled and taught them violence and welfare are the divine right of the most rigorous people to ever walk the Earth. Easy Bernanke money lets them enjoy the rewards of production while not having to be productive.

    Debasing the currency of a nation is tantamount to debasing its moral foundation...

    Sorry to say, the state that occupies America is a fascist warmongering imperialistic nation of righteous and arrogant busybodies. Bullies, blowhards and ignoramuses that preach "world democracy", which is nothing more than a soft form of communism.
    +1 from me on that post, and the posts following it.
    "The Patriarch"

  30. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by Nickels View Post
    I didn't see anywhere in here that said

    compare country A to country B
    see how differently the government is involved in 2 countries?
    see? The one where there's more government, children are worse off.
    Change country to era, do you have an answer?

    If you want data and statistical comparison of country A vs. country B, that's an altogether different realm. Not one that I rely a whole lot on due to the nature of statistical data interpretation. Not to mention ease of statistical manipulation. The truth be told, many countries, comparably speaking, are modeled off of one another which is more or less the "public model". There is not a truly private system in place anywhere to make a difinative comparison ...One could make comparisons between home schooled children vs. state schooled children, but that would be a Child A vs. Child B scenario.

    I would recommend Rothbards essay. He builds a daming case.

  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    I blame it on safety regulations. Before they came around, if you were stupid you got injured or even killed for doing something dumb. Now you really have to work at it. If you were killed or maimed, you couldn't breed and pass on the dumbness genes. Now they are allowed to multiply.
    Wtf, Juan!!! lolol Sadly, probably a bit of truth to that. Not to mention the huge welfare state.
    "Your mother's dead, before long I'll be dead, and you...and your brother and your sister and all of her children, all of us dead, all of us..rotting in the ground. It's the family name that lives on. It's all that lives on. Not your personal glory, not your honor, but family." - Tywin Lannister


  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by awake View Post
    If you want data and statistical comparison of country A vs. country B, that's an altogether different realm.
    That's like, the first and pretty much only thing I asked for.

    Not one that I rely a whole lot on due to the nature of statistical data interpretation.
    So your interpretation based on a person's opinion of reality makes more sense then people who actually know numbers, facts, data...etc?

    Not to mention ease of statistical manipulation. The truth be told, many countries, comparably speaking, are modeled off of one another which is more or less the "public model".
    But not all. So you still have yet to make a case. Yes, statistics can be manipulated, but give me the best you got, even if it goes against your argument, I want you to tell me why you believe the exact opposite of a statistical finding.

    Let's try this
    1. can you find me 2 countries which are completely equal, but vastly different on either education or government role on children
    2. If so, can you tell me how you measure the "well off, worse off" the children are, forget anybody else's findings, I'll let you draw that conclusion.

    So there, you only have to find ONE statistic, if you're going to tell me you can't find ONE good statistic on government involvement and public education among countries, then I really have no reason to take you seriously.

    There is not a truly private system in place anywhere to make a difinative comparison ...One could make comparisons between home schooled children vs. state schooled children, but that would be a Child A vs. Child B scenario.
    Which is all the more reason why you're convinced your ideals are perfect, because it's never been tested, therefore never proven wrong?

    I would recommend Rothbards essay. He builds a daming case.
    based on his opinions.

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Cowlesy View Post
    Wtf, Juan!!! lolol Sadly, probably a bit of truth to that. Not to mention the huge welfare state.
    is he equating population reduction and intelligence selection with quality of life?

  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Nickels View Post
    is he equating population reduction and intelligence selection with quality of life?
    You're trying too hard.
    "Your mother's dead, before long I'll be dead, and you...and your brother and your sister and all of her children, all of us dead, all of us..rotting in the ground. It's the family name that lives on. It's all that lives on. Not your personal glory, not your honor, but family." - Tywin Lannister


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