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    Statistics don't lie, people do.



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  3. #542
    Quote Originally Posted by RonRules View Post
    Man, now I'm worried about the Belgian skeptics! If a bunch of Belgians die as a result, the lawsuit will be interesting to read!

    Your Honor, we're suing because they gave us stuff when they said they didn't.

    http://skepchick.org/2010/01/homeopathic-suicide/

    Homeopathy and the FDA


    I've known her for about 6-7 years, seeing her at the skeptic conferences and listening to the Skeptics Guide to the Universe. Even though, what she says is correct, I just thought her liberal annoying voice would annoy the heck of the Anti-Vaxers here.

    SCIENCE, it works bitches!
    It's unfortunate that she moves from problem-> statist solution
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    what works can never be discussed online. there is only one language the government understands, and until the people start speaking it by the magazine full... things will remain the same.
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  4. #543
    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    It's unfortunate that she moves from problem-> statist solution
    I believe we call them statheists.

    Off-topic: Though I don't care for Jenny McCarthy's views on vaccination, she's damn fine.
    Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives. -James Madison

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    THE FLUES WILL KILLZ US ALL IF WE DONT VACCINATE EVERYONE! PIGGY FLU! PIGGY FLU!
    OH NOES! ONLY 66% OF THE PEOPLE NEEDED TO TAKE THE PIGGY FLU SHOT DID.

    Yes, in 2009, only 66% of the numbers required for herd immunity to the swine flu were taken. (only 20% of Americans got vaccinated)
    And sadly, as our great "skeptics" had warned, hundreds of millions of people died from it.
    Oh, if only we had listened to them.

    The forecasts were right, hundreds of billions of dollars were lost in productivity. The world entered a great collapse as professionals from all walks of life fell ill and died to the great swine flu.

    If only we had taken our vaccines as we were warned! The funeral pyres in the major cities burned day and night. If only we had listened to our great "skeptic" intellectual superiors!

    Oh, Ron Rules, I so want to go to Disneyland. Please, inject me with a vaccine or two every year, maybe even three when they come out with newer ones! I will listen to you from now on! You guys were spot on with your doom and gloom about the piggy flu. We should have never distrusted your stupid BIG STEAMING PILE OF OVER-HYPED BULL$#@!.


    P.S. Are any of you flu-doomers ever going to admit how $#@!ING OVER THE TOP WRONG AND HYSTERICALLY, COMICALLY STUPID YOU LOOKED after it all blew over?

    LoL
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  7. #545
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Which once again shows that no aborted fetus has been used to make vaccines in 45 years. They are using lines of cells developed from two babies from back then but no new ones since. And the abortions were not performed to provide cells for research- they used what would have been destroyed.
    Merck was just caught using the Mumps strain that dated back 45 years--which basically pointed out that the virus strain was ineffective. Which is going to cost them $3 Billion

    According to Sound Choice Pharmaceutical Institute, these vaccines contain aborted human fetus cells:

    Polio Vaccines, Pentacel, DT Polio Absorbed, Quadracel—all by Sanofi
    Measles, Mumps, Rubella Vaccines

    MMR II, Meruvax II, MRVax, Biovax, ProQuad, MMR-V all
    Merck vaccines
    Priorix and Erolalix by GlaxoSmithKline

    Varicella Vaccines for Chickenpox or Shingles

    Verivax, ProQuad, MMR-V, and Zostavax all by Merck
    Varilix by GSK

    Hepatitis Vaccines

    Vaqta by Merck
    Havrix and Twinrix by GSK
    Avaxim and Vivaxim by Sanofi
    Epaxal by Crucell/Berna

    Rabies Vaccine

    Imovax by Sanofi

    They are listed online at http://www.soundchoice.org/certification.html http://www.soundchoice.org/vaccines.html
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  8. #546
    Statistics don't lie, people do.

  9. #547
    Quote Originally Posted by RonRules View Post

    How IRONIC
    ATTAINING FREEDOM
    Man must get rid of illusions that enslave and paralyze him; he must become aware of the reality inside and outside of him in order to create a world which needs no illusions. Freedom and independence can be achieved only when the chains of illusion are broken.
    --ERICH FROMM

    “In a land of freedom we are held hostage by the tyranny of political correctness” Robert Griffin III

  10. #548
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Merck was just caught using the Mumps strain that dated back 45 years--which basically pointed out that the virus strain was ineffective. Which is going to cost them $3 Billion

    According to Sound Choice Pharmaceutical Institute, these vaccines contain aborted human fetus cells:

    Polio Vaccines, Pentacel, DT Polio Absorbed, Quadracel—all by Sanofi
    Measles, Mumps, Rubella Vaccines

    MMR II, Meruvax II, MRVax, Biovax, ProQuad, MMR-V all
    Merck vaccines
    Priorix and Erolalix by GlaxoSmithKline

    Varicella Vaccines for Chickenpox or Shingles

    Verivax, ProQuad, MMR-V, and Zostavax all by Merck
    Varilix by GSK

    Hepatitis Vaccines

    Vaqta by Merck
    Havrix and Twinrix by GSK
    Avaxim and Vivaxim by Sanofi
    Epaxal by Crucell/Berna

    Rabies Vaccine

    Imovax by Sanofi

    They are listed online at http://www.soundchoice.org/certification.html http://www.soundchoice.org/vaccines.html
    The Polio Vaccine caught my eye as I could remember it being originally made with the kidney tissue of a monkey.
    In the 1960s it was discovered that polio vaccines manufactured in monkey kidney tissue between 1955 and 1963 were contaminated with a monkey virus (Simian Virus, number 40). Although this virus causes cancer in experimental animals, health authorities insist it does not cause problems in humans. But evidence of SV40 genetic material has been popping up in human cancers and normal tissue. Researchers are now connecting SV40-contaminated polio vaccines to an increasing number of rare cancers of the lung (mesothelioma) and bone marrow (multiple myeloma). In a 1999 report, SV40 DNA was detected in tissue samples from four children born after 1982. Three were kidney transplant patients, and a fourth had a kidney tumour. Could SV40 be passed on from parents to their children? No one knows for sure.
    http://curezone.com/art/read.asp?ID=12&db=12&C0=735

  11. #549
    Whooping cough makes deadly return across Canada
    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle4436946/

    A highly contagious bacterial disease is spreading in four provinces, infecting as many as 2,000 people with a violent, uncontrollable cough and killing an infant in Alberta, as public-health authorities scramble to boost their vaccination programs.

    British Columbia’s Fraser Valley, southern Alberta, parts of Southwestern Ontario and New Brunswick are dealing with severe outbreaks of a disease that was once on the wane – pertussis, more commonly known as whooping cough, which can be especially deadly if contracted by infants. The United States, meanwhile, appears headed for its worst year for whooping cough in more than five decades, with more than 18,000 cases reported so far.

    As health authorities on both sides of the border urge parents to get their children vaccinated, and start offering free vaccine clinics for adults, the outbreaks have fuelled debate about the vaccine’s effectiveness over time. The latest spread of the disease can be partially explained by parents who shun vaccinating their children. But health officials say a larger issue is at play: Children under six years need five doses of the whooping cough vaccine, with a booster in their teenage years. Routine vaccination efforts, however, have stopped by the time they reach adulthood.



    “We’ve got waned immunity,” said Doug Sider, Ontario’s acting associate medical officer of health. “We’re great at emphasizing childhood vaccinations. We need to do a much better job at emphasizing adult vaccinations.

    [Where's that Anti-Federalist's ass so I can administer it!]

    New Brunswick has more than 1,000 confirmed pertussis cases to date. Southern Alberta, which usually has one to three cases a year, has 42 confirmed cases, including a one-month-old who died last month from complications caused by whooping cough.

    The grieving family of that child, Harper Whitehead, encouraged parents and children to get the vaccine to prevent similar tragedies. Harper started coughing 10 days after her birth in May. She was hospitalized when her coughing became more severe. She died in hospital.

    “We, as a family, aren’t looking for attention from this tragic event, but to make people aware this is a real disease,” Harper’s aunt, Dani Whitehead, said in a statement. “This and other diseases like it can be prevented by families being immunized.”

    Many infectious diseases are cyclical. Whooping cough peaks every two to five years. Babies are especially vulnerable because they haven’t been fully immunized against the disease. It can lead to pneumonia, brain damage and death. Infants under six months of age represent nearly 90 per cent of all pertussis-related deaths.

    Ian Gemmill, medical officer of health for Kingston, Frontenac and Lennox and Addington Public Health, said research is looking at how often adults need a booster. Public health officials, he said, then need to make a firm recommendation.

    “You and I won’t die from it. We will be exhausted. We will be unhappy. But,” Dr. Gemmill said, “the infants will.”

    In an effort to curb the current outbreak, health authorities in various parts of the country are offering free vaccination clinics for parents and caregivers of infants under one. Studies have shown that 75 per cent of infants infected with whooping cough got it from a contact at home.

    “What we’re trying to do is if we can get adults at any age … and give them one pertussis vaccine, then we correct that waning adult immunity and we bolster that collective immunity,” Dr. Sider said.

    Damian Langton, 14, knows first-hand the havoc the disease can cause. Despite being vaccinated when he was younger, he was coughing so badly earlier this month that it burst some of his blood vessels and he had bruising around his eye. “I didn’t think it would be that bad,” the Toronto resident said. “I was shocked to know it was whooping cough.”

    His father, Jerry Langton, recalls his son was “gasping for air” as he coughed. Damian is on antibiotics and the cough is less frequent. Mr. Langton has this simple advice for other parents who have children with symptoms: “Treat it as quickly as possible, and don’t use anything over the counter.”
    Statistics don't lie, people do.

  12. #550
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    The Polio Vaccine caught my eye as I could remember it being originally made with the kidney tissue of a monkey.
    Yes you are right. I already posted this video in an earlier post, but it still applies:

    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  13. #551
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  14. #552
    DTap-IPV-Hib vaccine loaded with bacterial components, antibiotics, and toxic chemicals and additives

    According to the Vaccine Awareness Network, the DTap-IPV-Hib vaccine contains diphtheria and tetanus toxoids, five components of the bordetella pertussis bacteria, filamentous haemagglutinin (the component of the bacteria which causes infection), pertactin (a highly immunogenic virulence factor), three types of inactivated polio virus, types 1, 2 and 3, a component of Haemophilus influenzae type B that has been attached to tetanus toxoid to make babies produce more antibodies, and three different types of antibiotics -- neomycin, streptomycin, and polymyxin B.

    Besides this barrage of pathogens and pathogenic components, the vaccine also contains deadly preservatives and additives like formaldehyde (rat poison), 2-phenoxyethanol (a detergent that is the main ingredient in anti-freeze), aluminum, and polysorbate 80 (an emulsifier implicated in causing male infertility).

    There are also more than 3,500 reports in the Department of Health and Human Services' (HHS) Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) about serious adverse events associated with the DTap-IPV-Hib vaccine. These include, but are not limited to, Moraxella catarrhalis, streptococcus pneumonia, asthma, anaphylactic reactions, pancreatitis, gastrointestinal dysfunction, peripheral neuropathy, Guillain-Barre syndrome, and meningitis."
    http://birthofanewearth.blogspot.co....d-tetanus.html

    Polysorbates and other emulgents make the underdeveloped blood-brain barrier of little children even more permeable. Passage of neurotoxic ingredients such as aluminium etc is facilitated through the barrier into the brain tissue where they accumulate. This increases the risk of brain damage. (sl)
    Tween 80 Immunosuppression

    Food and Chemical Toxicology, Vol 20. No. 6 pp. 983.

    “Tween 80 (polyoxyethylene sorbitan monooleate), an emulsifier, is yet another example or a commonly used chemical being implicated in the suppression of the immunological response.
    Barnett reports that recent work in his laboratory has suggested that
    the primary IgE and IgG, MS suppressed in mice pretreated with Tween 80
    followed by an immunizing dose of ovalbumin adsorbed to aluminium hydroxide (an
    antigenadjuvant combination known to produce high levels of IgE and
    IgG,)… The authors conclude from these findings that the
    immunosuppression caused by Tween 80 is restricted to the primary
    humoral response.”

    Delayed effects of neonatal exposure to Tween 80 on female reproductive organs in rats

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8473002

    Treatment of Cells with Detergent Activates Caspases and Induces Apoptotic Cell Death

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10833528

    Effects of repeated subcutaneous injection of Tween-80 in rats
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/5914564

    “In
    the rats injected with Tween-80, 1 subcutaneous sarcoma was found at
    the site of injection, and 2 similar sarcomas were also found in the
    rats injected with Tween-80 and small amounts of 3′-me-DAB. In mice 2
    subcutaneous sarcomas were induced by injections of Tween-80 alone. These results raise the possibility that Tween-80 may be directly involved in carcinogenesis.”Evaluation of mucosal damage of surfactants in rat jejunum and colon

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7766919

    “In
    particular, surfactants, which are commonly used adjuvants in oral
    pharmaceutical preparations to improve wetting and solubilization for
    insoluble drugs, have come under investigation as absorption enhancers.
    The goal of an enhancer is to improve membrane permeability without
    unwanted side effects. However, this is a formidable task because
    absorption is often increased due to intestinal damage.”



    “Tween
    80 is an orally approved surfactant routinely used in drug formulations
    and food products (FDA Inactive Ingredient Guide, 1991). In contrast,
    Triton X-100 is not approved for oral use and is regarded as toxic.”

    Nonoxynol-9 Induces Apoptosis of Endometrial Explants by Both Caspase-Dependent and -Independent Apoptotic Pathways

    http://www.biolreprod.org/content/73/2/382.full.pdf

    Solubilization of membranes by detergents

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1091302



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  16. #553
    Here are some parents stories:

    http://www.thinktwice.com/multiple.htm
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Polysorbate 80 and Histidine, a marriage of disaster
    By Cynthia A. Janak
    http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/janak/080830

    1 in 100 Students Felled by Chronic Fatigue Syndrome: More Vaccine Victims?
    December 14, 2011
    http://gaia-health.com/gaia-blog/201...ccine-victims/

    Vaccines and the Peanut Allergy Epidemic
    http://www.thedoctorwithin.com/aller...ergy-epidemic/

    The Peanut Allergy Epidemic is a MAN-MADE EPIDEMIC caused by vaccinations!
    http://www.opposingviews.com/i/the-p...y-vaccinations

  18. #555
    Quote Originally Posted by RonRules View Post
    that says it all. "Will anything change your mind?" If not, what's the point of discussing? So you can push your side? Nice diagram!

  19. #556
    It is like the old 9/11 "discussions". You refute one point and the responce is a mile long post about other "what about" to drown out the answers. And nobody on either side will change their mind (which is why they are so passionate about supporting their view- understandable). If all the scary facts about vaccines were true, we should have thousands if not millions dying. It is a miracle so many actually reached adulthood. We should all be sick or dying or have cancer.

  20. #557
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    It is like the old 9/11 "discussions". You refute one point and the responce is a mile long post about other "what about" to drown out the answers. And nobody on either side will change their mind (which is why they are so passionate about supporting their view- understandable). If all the scary facts about vaccines were true, we should have thousands if not millions dying. It is a miracle so many actually reached adulthood. We should all be sick or dying or have cancer.
    oh but thats where you wrong. havent you bin paying attenchun? the idea that there are diseases to prevent that will kill you was a lie to begin with. let me summerize the story for you again. Ready?

    NWO invents a fake disease
    They infect certain people, usually poor populations or 3rd world countries
    They tell Americans we need an antidote even though they can control the disease by killing the source
    They let big pharma sell useless drugs to make money, and in some cases, cause more problems so they can sell more drugs
    They pay off every scientific research organization to make sure the above stays a lie, that's why you never hear any reputable scientist expose their evil agenda.
    I can't show you any evidence for this, because that's how bad the collusion is, if I can find any evidence, that's proof they messed up somewhere and it would actually prove me wrong.

    It's not a miracle these kids grow up adults, they would have anyway, and without the autism and whatever side effects they got.

  21. #558
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    It is like the old 9/11 "discussions". You refute one point and the responce is a mile long post about other "what about" to drown out the answers. And nobody on either side will change their mind (which is why they are so passionate about supporting their view- understandable). If all the scary facts about vaccines were true, we should have thousands if not millions dying. It is a miracle so many actually reached adulthood. We should all be sick or dying or have cancer.
    I am not sure as to whom your post was directed to, but children, at an alarming rate, are getting Autism--which should give you pause. The SIDS rate is more than it was 30 years ago--which some studies/theories were saying lead paint was the culprit, no more lead paint, and the death rate still climbs. And, cancer is up at alarming rates. If you look at the information with regards to the known information (exposed) from Dr. Hilleman, alone, you will notice that people would not get cancers immediately after taking the tainted polio shot--it would be within the span of 20 plus years.

    Most of our liberties taken away were not taken over night but incremental--just sayin'
    Last edited by donnay; 07-27-2012 at 02:48 PM.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  22. #559
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    I am not sure as to whom your post was directed to, but children, at an alarming rate, are getting Autism--which should give you pause.
    No, they are not. They are just being diagnosed for it more.


    The SIDS rate is more than it was 30 years ago
    So is birth rate.

    --which some studies/theories were saying lead paint was the culprit, no more lead paint, and the death rate still climbs. And, cancer is up at alarming rates.
    Cancer is a really broad umbrella term. Some have very specific (and known) causes.

    Sometimes cancer conspiracies confuse me. is cancer a real disease and real problem caused by big pharma and monsanto? Or is it a fake disease by big pharma to sell drugs?


    If you look at the information with regards to the known information (exposed) from Dr. Hilleman, alone, you will notice that people would not get cancers immediately after taking the tainted polio shot--it would be within the span of 20 plus years.
    Cancers never develop immediately.

    Most of our liberties taken away were not taken over night but incremental--just sayin'
    we agree there.

  23. #560
    And no more thimerisol in kids vaccines (an alleged culprit) and still autism rates continued to climb. The definition of autism has been expanded (it is autism SPECTRUM disorder which covers many different symptoms- not a single condition) and doctors are looking for it more so naturally they are finding more cases- how much of this is real increases in frequency and how much is simply more diagnosis- calling things autism today which were once called something else?

    Cancer rates soaring?
    http://www.care2.com/greenliving/can...declining.html
    According to an American Cancer Society report cancer rates for men declined 1.8 percent and for women by 1.6 percent between 2004 and 2008. Also cancer screening and treatment improvements have prevented one million cancer deaths since the early 1990s, says the document.

    Read more: http://www.care2.com/greenliving/can...#ixzz21rHK5AIo
    Or from the polio vaccine in the 1950's and early 1960's (we are well after the "20 years" you suggest so that should be popping up all over):
    http://cebp.aacrjournals.org/content/12/2/177.full
    Here, we test the hypothesis that polio vaccination during the early years of its use increased the risk of brain tumors, particularly glioma, using data from a large case-control study of adult brain tumors conducted in the United States between 1994 and 1998, more than 30 years after the period in which contaminated vaccine may have been given.
    In conclusion, our results are consistent with the majority of previous epidemiological studies, mainly of large cohorts, that did not show convincing evidence of increased risk of brain tumors after vaccination for polio, the only major known source of human exposure to SV40 (4, 5) .
    SIDS soaring?

    http://www.sidscenter.org/Statistics.html

    (waiting for the next barage of horror stories of vaccines to drown out this post)
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 07-27-2012 at 03:34 PM.



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  25. #561
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    And no more thimerisol in kids vaccines (an alleged culprit) and still autism rates continued to climb. The definition of autism has been expanded (it is autism SPECTRUM disorder which covers many different symptoms- not a single condition) and doctors are looking for it more so naturally they are finding more cases- how much of this is real increases in frequency and how much is simply more diagnosis- calling things autism today which were once called something else?

    Cancer rates soaring?
    http://www.care2.com/greenliving/can...declining.html


    Or from the polio vaccine in the 1950's and early 1960's (we are well after the "20 years" you suggest so that should be popping up all over):
    http://cebp.aacrjournals.org/content/12/2/177.full




    SIDS soaring?

    http://www.sidscenter.org/Statistics.html

    (waiting for the next barage of horror stories of vaccines to drown out this post)
    why do you manage to find facts that the other guys do not? do you have some virus on your computer that prevents you from seeing the truth (or what you call conspiracy theories)?

  26. #562
    I am paid by the government and Big Pharma to create and provide the info.

  27. #563
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    I am paid by the government and Big Pharma to create and provide the info.
    lol

  28. #564
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    And no more thimerisol in kids vaccines (an alleged culprit) and still autism rates continued to climb. The definition of autism has been expanded (it is autism SPECTRUM disorder which covers many different symptoms- not a single condition) and doctors are looking for it more so naturally they are finding more cases- how much of this is real increases in frequency and how much is simply more diagnosis- calling things autism today which were once called something else?
    Go back through the thread--thimerisol is still in many of the vaccines. However, the substitute is no better, which is aluminum. Mercury not only affects the brain but it affects the intestines lining (where the immune system is). Twenty years ago children were not expected to get the number of shots they receive today--consequently the Autism epidemic is here. Here is some parent's testimony explain how their children were full of life and happy until they got the MMR shot.


    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Cancer rates soaring?
    http://www.care2.com/greenliving/can...declining.html

    Or from the polio vaccine in the 1950's and early 1960's (we are well after the "20 years" you suggest so that should be popping up all over):
    http://cebp.aacrjournals.org/content/12/2/177.full


    SV40 Contamination of Polio Vaccine

    In the late 1940's and early 1950's the polio virus was taking a savage toll on the American public. Thousands of children and adults were crippled or killed. In 1955, Jonas Salk discovered how to mass produce polio vaccine by growing it on the kidneys of rhesus monkeys. By 1960 a problem had surfaced, a problem which would come back to haunt the nation forty years later.

    The complication researchers had isolated in 1960 was a viral contaminate. It seems that when the live polio virus grown on monkey tissues was extracted for vaccine production another virus was extracted as well, SV-40. When this monkey virus was injected into research animals it produced brain cancer. It appears our government didn't wish to create a public panic or discredit the public health service, because instead of recalling the tainted vaccines, it quietly ordered the manufacturers to find a monkey free of SV-40 and continue production. As of 1963, the rhesus monkey had been replaced with the African green monkey for production of a safer polio vaccine, but between the years of 1955 and 1963 as many as 98 million Americans had received doses of live polio virus vaccines tainted with SV-40..

    Jumping to the early 1990's, Michele Carbone, Assistant Professor of Pathology at Loyola University in Chicago, isolated fragments of the SV-40 virus in human bone cancers and in a particularly nasty form of lung cancer called mesotheliomas. The viral contaminate from the 50s was back to haunt us, and appeared in 33% of the osteosarcoma bone cancers studied, in 40% of other bone cancers, and in 60% of the mesotheliomas lung cancers. Dr. Carbone believed this study could explain why 50% of the current mesotheliomas being treated were no longer occurring in association with their traditional cause of asbestos exposure..

    Already sounding like a bad science fiction story, the worse news was yet to follow. An Italian team of researchers from the Institute of Histology and General Embryology of the University of Ferrara lead by Dr. Fernanda Martini discovered SV-40's presence in various other tumors. To be specific they found the monkey virus in 83% of choriod plexus papillomas, in 73% of ependymomas, in 47% of astrocytomas, in 50% of glioblastomas, and in 14% of meningiomas. While the virus's appearance in all of these types of brain tumors is mortifying, even more so is the fact that it materialized in 23% of blood samples and 45% of sperm fluids taken from normal individuals -- normal meaning free of disease at the time of testing. The researchers determined the virus could be transmitted sexually and through blood transfusions. As if to drive this point home, SV-40 has appeared in 61% of all new cancer patients -- patients too young to have received the contaminated vaccine being administered forty years ago who are now believed to have been infected by human to human transmission. Being a blood born organism, it is also suspected that SV-40 is transmissible from mother to child during pregnancy..

    The more this matter is researched the more startling the evidence. Senior epidemiologist at the National Institutes of Health, Dr. Howard Strickler, has plotted a geographic pattern to the cancers associated with SV-40 helping to confirm its link to the tainted vaccine. People who lived in Massachusetts and Illinois who received identified lot numbers of the contaminated vaccine administered in the 1950s are now demonstrating ten times the rate of the osteosarcoma bone tumors as those who received vaccine free of the SV-40 contaminate in other parts of the country..

    The FDA mandates that every American infant and child receive polio vaccinations. While public health officials continue to emphasize how current supplies of the vaccine are safe, Peter Reeve, FDA Virologist, has acknowledged that the administration abandoned independent testing of vaccine purity some fifteen years ago. The job of ensuring safety and purity rests squarely on the shoulders of those manufacturing the vaccines with no federal oversight. Wyeth-Lederle controls the supply of all the oral polio vaccine in this country, and last year's sales totaled some $230 million dollars. Surely there would be no conflict of interest in allowing this corporation to be the sole agent of quality oversight of their own pocketbook?.

    The government may not have paid attention to the quality of these vaccines, but they had formulated a plan for their distribution. Federal vaccination policy advocated the use of live-virus oral polio vaccine (OPV) based on the belief the live virus shed in the body fluids of infants immunized with OPV could immunize others through contact exposure. The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) insisted this was a safe practice, and emphasized that no one previously vaccinated could contract the disease in this manner. The public was never informed of this strategy, however, and no consent was ever obtained from the unknowing participants in this vaccination scheme. One hundred and twenty people, many previously vaccinated, contracted polio as a result of this practice. To add insult to injury in 1994 the World Health Organization proclaimed polio was eliminated from the Western Hemisphere. Insult because for the past seventeen years the only cases of polio occurring in the US have been caused by the vaccine itself, and injury because this victory will be paid for in blood from the cancers produced by the monkey virus spread with the vaccine..

    One might ask just how such a thing could happen considering the injectable form of the vaccine (IPV) does not use a live virus and doesn't transmit the disease it is designed to shield us from? Well, Wyeth-Lederle's leading competitor Connaught produces IVP which could explain why Wyeth lobbied so hard against the CDC recommending increased use of IVP. In 1996 the CDC revised its recommendation from four doses of OPV to two doses of IVP followed by two doses of OPV, however, physicians have been instructed to give all four doses as OPV if they desire. The cost of IVP vaccine is $5.40 per dose, whereas OPV costs $2.32 per dose. With the difference in cost favoring the use of OPV, and the current climate of regulating health care costs, clearer guidelines must come from the government if they truly expect to increase the use of the safer IVP vaccine..

    Well the story of contaminated polio vaccine is not over yet. Microbiologist Howard Urnovitz, Ph.D. provided significant evidence at the Eighth Annual Houston Conference on AIDS that human immunodeficiency virus type 1 (HIV-1) is a monkey hybrid virus which was produced when 320,000 Africans were injected with polio virus contaminated with live simian immunodeficiency virus (SIV) in the late 1950's. Apparently, viral fragments combine easily with other viruses to produce these hybrids called "chimeras." This theory was confirmed by another research team headed by Dr. B. F. Elswood at the University of California in San Francisco. Interestingly enough, when researchers Cecil H. Fox and John Martin applied to the National Institutes of Health for grants to confirm the presence of SIV and simian cyto-megalovirus (SCMV) contaminates in polio vaccines their requests were denied. Dr. Urnovitz may have an explanation as he stated in the Boston Globe, "that almost 100 million.

    Americans were exposed (to SV-40) through a government sponsored program, but for over 30 years, there has been virtually no government effort to see if anyone's been harmed by the exposure." He added, "The government will not fund science that makes it look culpable." Could it be our government, once again, is attempting to avoid a public panic while ignoring the great potential for harm these viruses could inflict. Time will tell. Harvard Medical School professor, Dr. Ronald Desroier points out that taking all known scientific evidence into account that the medical experts' knowledge is limited to "perhaps 2% of existing monkey viruses." Who knows what lethal virus may be discovered in our blood streams forty years from now as a result of good intentions.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    SIDS soaring?


    Vaccines are known to cause fevers in babies (CDC 2001). These fevers can increase generation of the gases, exposing babies to higher concentrations. In addition, vaccines can lead to the depletion of vitamin C in a baby’s body (Hattersley 1993 and Pauling 1981), and damage the developing nervous and immune systems. Vaccines have also been shown to cause stressed breathing (Scheibner 1993), weakened immunity, and neurological damage (Neustaedter 1996), which can lower the baby’s ability to tolerate a given concentration of toxic gases.
    http://www.healthychild.com/sids-crib-death-factors


    http://www.whale.to/vaccines/sids.html

    Other sources:
    http://www.whale.to/vaccine/sids1.html
    http://www.whale.to/vaccines/sbs.html
    http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...2/533.abstract
    http://www.cjsids.org/resource-cente...-research.html
    http://www.cjsids.org/resource-cente...tatistics.html
    http://www.cdc.gov/SIDS/SUIDAbout.htm
    http://www.suid-im-projectimpact.org...d=11&Itemid=16
    http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db09.htm
    http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20001105.htm
    http://www.thenhf.com/article.php?id=1848
    http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/136/2/121.short
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16231176
    Last edited by donnay; 07-27-2012 at 07:35 PM.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Put babies to sleep on their back rather than their bellies and most SIDS goes away.

    You can thank science for that. The problem was studied and the solution turned out to be very simple.

    Doctors, scientists and Big Pharma are not all greedy bastards.
    Statistics don't lie, people do.

  30. #566
    Another Good Reason To Avoid Hospitals

    by Jack D. Douglas

    http://lewrockwell.com/douglas/douglas57.1.html

    This is a good study of the soaring rate of dangerous MRSA infection from hospital stays by academic hospital insiders who used their inside knowledge of the U. of Chicago hospital and three others to correct for the massive 30% to 50% official underreporting and found that one out of twenty plus patients now gets serious MRSA hospital infection in the U.S., more than all the influenza and AIDS hospitalizations combined. That was a 100% increase in five years and the study ended in '08, so there has probably been another near doubling, or less if the growing infection control efforts coming out of Hopkins, etc., are beginning to pay off.

    I would say from my experience and from many studies that far and away the number one danger of medical care in and out of hospitals is misdiagnosis and mistreatment – misprescription, etc.

    Doctors don't know their patients, don't know them as whole people in whole life situations, don't know much up-to-date out of their specialties, don't see anything but their narrow specialty as their concern, don't really even know the records of patients they have worked with for many years in most instances. Ignorance is soaring for many reasons. The fifteen minute run-by med. appointment is absurd for dealing seriously with basic causes and preventives, so they rarely try to get to the obvious basics.

    Dr. Laura Nathanson, a doctor here in San Diego, did an excellent book in 2007 based on the terrible, mortal experience of her husband and herself with a misdiagnosis of her husband's illness – What You Don't Know Can Kill You.

    Misdiagnosis killed her husband. I've had many misdiagnoses, some that were very dangerous. I have also been permanently maimed by surgical mistake for a hernia that destroyed my left testicle and has left me with knotted veins in the groin and intermittent pains. I have dealt with a dozens of medical people who are inherently dangerous to me because about 40 years ago an internist put me on hypertension drugs because of a blood pressure spike in his office which I learned [in part by working with John Ross, a great cardiologist] was due to 'White Coat Syndrome" – anxiety about doctors because of such ghastly mistakes. They routinely insist adamantly on putting me on powerful drugs for life, refuse treatment, etc.

    I normally pretend not to know as much about my problems as I know when dealing with doctors. They deeply resent anyone who knows something they do not, anyone who does things to correct their mistakes [even when you cannot get them on the phone to check with them], and "troublemakers" and "amateur doctors." They can become dangerous if they put you in any such category because they have sky-high Hubris from their God Complex in the Medical Realm.

    Doctors are like the police: they can be very helpful in some situations, but are inherently dangerous and should be avoided as much as possible. You do not argue with doctors or police and you must be submissive in demeanor at all times. They insist on being called Doctor, even when you have a doctorate and full professorship and are three times their age and they call you "Jack." That name puts you down at the bottom of the totem pole on purpose. You must bow and scrape and say "Yassah, Maasah!" like the slaves did. But be aware they are very often very wrong and dangerous, like slave drivers. Slaves had a secret, underground of knowledge and wisdom and support against the Masters. You must do the same.

  31. #567
    Quote Originally Posted by RonRules View Post
    Put babies to sleep on their back rather than their bellies and most SIDS goes away.

    You can thank science for that. The problem was studied and the solution turned out to be very simple.

    Doctors, scientists and Big Pharma are not all greedy bastards.


    I never put my children on their backs to sleep--but then again they never had vaccines.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    It is like the old 9/11 "discussions". You refute one point and the responce is a mile long post about other "what about" to drown out the answers. And nobody on either side will change their mind (which is why they are so passionate about supporting their view- understandable). If all the scary facts about vaccines were true, we should have thousands if not millions dying. It is a miracle so many actually reached adulthood. We should all be sick or dying or have cancer.
    Umm, actually, leaving aside the questions over vaccines specifically, using US "health care" is a pretty $#@!ing dangerous undertaking.

    The numbers range from 40,000 to over 100,000 people every year that die due to "medical misadventure", a euphemistic term that encompasses the whole range of medical errors, drug reactions, mistakes and misdiagnoses.

    Just last month, a friend of mine had to bury his 46 year old wife, who went in for a "routine" surgical procedure and was killed deader than hammer by being given a double dose of some sort of pre op anesthetic drug by mistake.


    We thought those figures sounded awfully low for deaths as a result of medical errors. A 1999 study by the Institute of Medicine, "To Err is Human: Building a Safer Health System," concluded that medical error deaths range from about 44,000 to 98,000 a year.

    http://www.iom.edu/Reports/1999/To-E...th-System.aspx

    http://www.politifact.com/florida/st...misadventures/



    Scientific American quotes a study that claims 200,000 a year die.

    Deaths from avoidable medical error more than double in past decade, investigation shows

    http://www.scientificamerican.com/bl...ror-2009-08-10

    Preventable medical mistakes and infections are responsible for about 200,000 deaths in the U.S. each year, according to an investigation by the Hearst media corporation. The report comes 10 years after the Institute of Medicine's "To Err Is Human" analysis, which found that 44,000 to 98,000 people were dying annually due to these errors and called for the medical community and government to cut that number in half by 2004.



    Another study showing 195,000 deaths per year.

    In Hospital Deaths from Medical Errors at 195,000 per Year USA

    http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/11856.php

    An average of 195,000 people in the USA died due to potentially preventable, in-hospital medical errors in each of the years 2000, 2001 and 2002, according to a new study of 37 million patient records that was released today by HealthGrades, the healthcare quality company.
    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 07-27-2012 at 11:50 PM.



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    "You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Anti Federalist again."


    Guns don't kill people medical errors do.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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