Not every country has property taxes right now. A number of countries don't allow seizure of land for debt payment. You want to change that because you want to enable the super-rich to have access to the poor's land. The thing keeping them alive.Originally Posted by EcoWarrier
Stop the Looting and Start Prosecuting! Gold plated Tungsten IS Money!
We Must Dissent A colher não existe.
A government is just a body of people, notably, usually, ungoverned.
"You mean this entire war started because The Empire dressed as the enemy? That's exactly what happened in the last major war! Our government is so stupid!"
It always cracks me up when fanatical ideologues reveal their fantasies, as they impute their own rationale and reasoning processes to others, as if everyone was secretly in agreement with their premises.
Tories: (secretly, in a hushed clandestine tone) "Gentlemen, as Tories who are backed by landed people, we must oppose the Land Value Tax with all our resources and might! Why? Because an imposition of the Land Value Tax will only serve to bring justice and fairness, that is why! It will also put a stop to landowner freeloading, and what would become of us? We cannot have that!"
Later, upon defeat of the Land Value Tax proposition, as Sir Snidely Whiplash shared a toast with his Tory cronies in Parliament, he was seen stroking his long, black curled mustache and rubbing his hands together, whilst giggling maniacally in villainous landowning glee.
Now that unfairness, injustice and landowner privilege and freeloading was secured in England, Sir Whiplash contemplated life, and possibly a new wife, in the Americas - a life somewhere near train tracks, and possibly some beautiful damsels who might not be able to pay their rent -- and, of course, a source for a supply of good rope.
Your fantacies is some sort of freedom - freedom to free-load off the rest of us. Not pay your way.
You don't know what I propose to charge - you make things up. Who are these super-rich you are on about? Boy you are very confused with all sorts of strange notions bouncing around your skull. If you do not pay your propertry taxes, mechanisms are enacted to recover the debt. Simple. That is how it works right now. You are saying if someone does not pay their property taxes then we must ignore the debt. Old and infirm people may have these paid for them by the Welfare system.
Last edited by EcoWarrier; 08-04-2012 at 04:50 AM.
This is assuming that "property tax" is in place because the government owns your land - e.g, you cannot live on that land without payment to the government. Of course, one could argue that without the government to properly assign land to its citizens, there would be a huge land grab/land rush, just like the gold rush of the mid 1800s. But it would be fascinating to see how private property on a national scale would ensue.
Julian Simon demolished the premise underlying LVT many years ago. Here is an excerpt from chapter 8 of his book "The Ultimate Resource II"
http://www.juliansimon.com/writings/Ultimate_Resource/
My emphasis added to the last sentence.IS LAND DIFFERENT FROM OTHER RESOURCES?
Many people consider land to be a special kind of resource. But like other natural
resources, land is the result of the human creative process, as discussed in chapters
1-3. Though the stock of usable land seems fixed at any moment, it is constantly
being increased - at a rapid rate in many cases - by the clearing of new fields or the
reclamation of wasteland. Land also is constantly being enhanced by increasing the
number of crops grown per year on each unit of land, and by increasing the yield per
crop with better farming methods and with chemical fertilizer.
Last but not least, land is created anew where there was none. For example, much of
Holland originally belonged more to the sea than to the land. "According to strict
geographical determinism, one would expect to find there nothing but a fever-ridden
delta and lagoons, the undisputed domain of sea fowl and migratory birds. Instead, we
find a prosperous and densely-peopled country, with in fact the highest densities of
population in Europe." The new land was won by diking and draining. "This is
essentially a triumph of human will, it is the imprint of civilization on the
landscape." A hundred years ago someone said of the Netherlands, "This is not soil,
it is the flesh and blood and sweat of men."
Modern Japan is applying the lesson of Holland. When land around Tokyo becomes
scarce and extraordinarily expensive, the Japanese build an artificial island in Tokyo
Bay and contemplate large floating structures, including perhaps an airport. And Hong
Kong is planning to build a new airport on reclaimed land just off one of its islands.
Holland was created by muscle power. But the potential for creating new land has
increased as new power sources and our knowledge and machinery have developed. In the
future, the potential for creating new and better land will be even greater. We will
make mountains where there now is water, learn new techniques of changing the nature
of soils, and develop our ability to transport fresh water to arid regions.
Extending the process into a third dimension which Holland demonstrated in two
dimensions, the capacity to grow food in multilevel structures with the use of
artificial light (see the discussion of Phytofarm in chapter 6) means that the supply
of effective agricultural land can be expanded without limit - that is, it is not
finite. This is no pipedream, but a demonstrated reality that is economic even at
current prices.
Last edited by Len Larson; 08-04-2012 at 07:21 AM.
It is not assuming the land is common owned at all. Stop making things up.
There is no change for occupying the land with LVT. LVT merely reclaims community created wealth that soaked into the land and crystallized as land values. If it is worth next to nothing you pay next to nothing.- e.g, you cannot live on that land without payment to the government.
LVT is a TAX SHIFT, not public ownership of land. It taxes values of land. LVT is a tax in form but not in substance.
Last edited by EcoWarrier; 08-04-2012 at 07:21 AM.
Julian Simon has been demolished many times . He is plainly stupid. A monkey on a typewriter.
Land was created by humans? This one is in La-La land, and you are as bad for posting such tripe.Many people consider land to be a special kind of resource. But like other natural resources, land is the result of the human creative process,
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What if community does not want to "reclaim" wealth? Let's say this is a community of libertarians that respect property rights for land? They also do not want government services and etc?
You are confused. Geoism respects rights to occupy land. LVT is a tax shift, from production, and people's wages, to reclaiming commonly created wealth. Simple, easy, even you may understand that.
If they think they are not in a community then they need professioanl help. In short, they want to free-load and live off the backs of others.
Last edited by EcoWarrier; 08-04-2012 at 08:25 AM.
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