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    Quote Originally Posted by Steven Douglas View Post
    Originally Posted by idiom
    What possible moral grounds could you have to roll into a country, declare yourself a 'community' and that you are soaking value into the land around you thus giving you the right to relocate natives wherever you wish???
    Easy, when you consider the utterly socialist mechanics underpinnings,
    This is like reading Laurel & Hardy.

    LVT is a tax shift - land ownerships stays the same, business behaviour stays the same. All stays the same. That well known Commie Winston Churchil was great advocate of LVT.

    In Kiaochow, China, everyone who was displaced from their homes
    That was a nice joke Ollie When did you make that one up Ollie.
    “I have made speeches by the yard on the subject
    of land-value taxation, and you know what a supporter
    I am of that policy.”

    - Winston Churchill


    The only war Winston Churchill ever lost was
    against the British landlords.

    - Fred Harrison (economic writer)



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    Quote Originally Posted by EcoWarrier View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Steven Douglas View Post
    In Kiaochow, China, everyone who was displaced from their homes...
    That was a nice joke Ollie When did you make that one up Ollie. That was a nice joke Ollie When did you make that one up Ollie.
    Oh, sorry, did you miss the link I provided? Here it is for your convenience, amusement, shits and giggles, whatever:

    [SOURCE] <--- Click here!

    I didn't write it. That paper was prepared by Professor George Steinmetz of the University of Michigan, for a Johns Hopkins Workshop in Comparative History of Science and Technology ("Science, Technology and Modernity: Colonial Cities in Asia, 1890-1940,” Baltimore, January 16-17, 2009)

    It's an extremely well written paper, fully sourced. I assumed you were aware of the history of Qingdao/Kiaochow, since it is held up so often as a shining example of LVT success. It never occurred to me that you might have just picked that up as a soundbite from an LVT leaflet, without actually researching it yourself.

    I guess the joke's on you, eh, Stanley? A fine kettle of LVT fish!
    Last edited by Steven Douglas; 07-31-2012 at 01:52 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EcoWarrier View Post
    You should stop making things up. Again NO siezure of land. A tax on the value of the land only.
    Okie dokie, the examples of LVT you have provided in the real world all look like this:

    The policies of the Kuomintang after 1945 (Read "LVT") were in many ways similar and just as devastating as those of the Japanese. All land in the mountain areas was nationalised, for example, with Aborigines retaining only limited use rights; just as the Japanese had done, the Kuomintang authorities adopted policies designed to assimilate the indigenous populations, prohibiting the teaching of their languages and prescribing not only the use of Mandarin, but also the adoption of Chinese names...

    Legislation adopted in 1968, ostensibly to protect Aboriginal lands, in reality had the almost contrary effect: unless land was cultivated for 10 years, it became state property. This meant that Aborigines had to abandon their traditional hunting, gathering, and slash-and-burn agricultural activities, thus signaling a near deathblow to many aspects of their cultures. The legislation also contained a number of ways for government and Han Chinese individuals and corporations to ‘lease' land for commercial and other uses, and these often resulted in further disenfranchising indigenous peoples from any real control over their remaining land."
    Ignoring facts doesn't make them go away.

    Tell me again what happens to people living on land who can't or won't pay what the government decides is a fair trade for the value crystals beneath their feet?
    Last edited by idiom; 07-31-2012 at 02:10 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by idiom View Post
    Okie dokie, the examples of LVT you have provided in the real world all look like this:
    In some societies land was alwasy publicly owned, as in Hong Kong as it was a Crown Colony. They then lease land (a defacto LVT).

    LVT is Land Value Tax. A tax on the VALUE of land - not seizure - not public owership. Look at the 26 examples given. None had land seizure.

    Stop being silly. Do not fall in line with many of the nutballs on these forums, who shout freedom and do not even know what it is. Open your mind you have all to gain. Proper freedom.
    “I have made speeches by the yard on the subject
    of land-value taxation, and you know what a supporter
    I am of that policy.”

    - Winston Churchill


    The only war Winston Churchill ever lost was
    against the British landlords.

    - Fred Harrison (economic writer)

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    Talk about tribes...

    “I have made speeches by the yard on the subject
    of land-value taxation, and you know what a supporter
    I am of that policy.”

    - Winston Churchill


    The only war Winston Churchill ever lost was
    against the British landlords.

    - Fred Harrison (economic writer)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steven Douglas View Post
    Oh, sorry, did you miss the link I provided?
    LVT rectified the initial injustice.
    “I have made speeches by the yard on the subject
    of land-value taxation, and you know what a supporter
    I am of that policy.”

    - Winston Churchill


    The only war Winston Churchill ever lost was
    against the British landlords.

    - Fred Harrison (economic writer)

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    Quote Originally Posted by EcoWarrier View Post
    In some societies land was alwasy publicly owned, as in Hong Kong as it was a Crown Colony. They then lease land (a defacto LVT).

    LVT is Land Value Tax. A tax on the VALUE of land - not seizure - not public owership. Look at the 26 examples given. None had land seizure.

    Stop being silly. Do not fall in line with many of the nutballs on these forums, who shout freedom and do not even know what it is. Open your mind you have all to gain. Proper freedom.
    Nearly all of the 26 had land seizures.

    And you haven't quite explained what happens when someone doesn't pay the land value tax on the land value generated by the community. Clearly they don't forfeit anything.... right?
    Stop the Looting and Start Prosecuting! Gold plated Tungsten IS Money!
    We Must Dissent A colher não existe.
    A government is just a body of people, notably, usually, ungoverned.

    "You mean this entire war started because The Empire dressed as the enemy? That's exactly what happened in the last major war! Our government is so stupid!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by idiom View Post
    Nearly all of the 26 had land seizures.
    NONSENSE!!!! Stop making things up you brainwashed fool. Get your mind sorted.

    And you haven't quite explained what happens when someone doesn't pay the land value tax on the land value generated by the community. Clearly they don't forfeit anything.... right?
    What happens is the same as what happens now when you do not pay debts. LVT is a tax shift. It does not change laws.

    LVT is not a Welfare handout.
    Last edited by EcoWarrier; 07-31-2012 at 09:01 AM.
    “I have made speeches by the yard on the subject
    of land-value taxation, and you know what a supporter
    I am of that policy.”

    - Winston Churchill


    The only war Winston Churchill ever lost was
    against the British landlords.

    - Fred Harrison (economic writer)

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    Quote Originally Posted by EcoWarrier View Post
    NONSENSE!!!! Stop making things up you brainwashed fool. Get your mind sorted.



    What happens is the same as what happens now when you do not pay debts. LVT is a tax shift. It does not change laws.

    LVT is not a Welfare handout.
    Called Land Seizure
    "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." - Thomas Jefferson

    "It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds" - Sam Adams

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    Quote Originally Posted by EcoWarrier View Post
    NONSENSE!!!! Stop making things up you brainwashed fool. Get your mind sorted.



    What happens is the same as what happens now when you do not pay debts. LVT is a tax shift. It does not change laws.

    LVT is not a Welfare handout.
    So what you are saying is that people who can't pay their LVT might have to find somewhere else to live?
    Stop the Looting and Start Prosecuting! Gold plated Tungsten IS Money!
    We Must Dissent A colher não existe.
    A government is just a body of people, notably, usually, ungoverned.

    "You mean this entire war started because The Empire dressed as the enemy? That's exactly what happened in the last major war! Our government is so stupid!"

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    I am not persuaded one way or the other. I believe in property rights, yet I know the history that either granted land rights over indigenous people's claim to resources, but that they lacked the legal (western) form outside of force/warfare to guarantee access to the resources, or the past feudal system of land granting. So someone homesteads land and fences it off. The indigenous people no longer have access to hunting and fishing, and in some cases, like Africa, farming that same land.

    So the government through force basically allowed some to homestead and take the land, and their descendant via blood lines now have vast stakes in land (and mineral rights) that no one could accumulate today, as their ancestors did. It is now price prohibitive.

    I don't want to take away one's property, but I realize the unfairness of how the property was acquired, past on and the laws that prevent new forces from taking it via the fruits of one's own labor/effort, they are being just as heavily taxed but are not on equal standing of current land holders. Meaning, it was taken by force of government backing with the military, but the individual or independent groups although taxed are prevented from doing the same thing.

    Not offering any solutions, but I see the unfairness of the current setup.
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    Googling "1909 Churchill Budget Cuts" gives this page in the first five results:
    The ‘People’s Budget’: Causes and Consequences by Professor Martin Pugh
    Selected quotes from the article:
    Summary: The genesis of the 1909 budget was the need for more taxation and a reappraisal of ways to raise revenue but opposition in the House of Lords invited the Liberals to curb the power of that House. When achieved it speeded the decline of the peerage and moves toward social change and the interventionist State.
    ...

    For some time he and Winston Churchill, President of the Board of Trade, had been planning a series of social reforms which could only be accomplished by expanding the resources of the State. In this sense the budget was a very political measure not a mere matter of balancing the books. In view of the subsequent reaction there has always been a suspicion that Lloyd George deliberately designed his budget to provoke the House of Lords into rejecting it and thereby creating the maximum political benefit.

    ...

    The only aspect of the 1909 budget which failed to survive was Lloyd George’s famous land taxes. The laborious process of land valuation went ahead up to 1914. But during the war his involvement in the coalition government put the whole enterprise in jeopardy. Although Lloyd George remained prime minister until 1922 he was too dependent on his Conservative colleagues to resurrect the land taxes; by 1920 they had been abandoned.

    In spite of this setback, the social consequences of the Edwardian reforms were enduring. The effect of a graduated system of taxation combined with social welfare measures was to begin the process of redistributing national income from the rich to the poor, albeit slightly. This process continued in each succeeding decade regardless of changing circumstances and political parties. Not until after 1979 was the trend finally checked by reductions in taxation for very high earners and a shift to taxes on consumption paid by the poor and those on average incomes.

    Need for Limitations on the Free Market Accepted

    Nor should one overlook the broader implications of the budget for the role of governments in the economy. Although the Edwardian Liberals had not by any means abandoned private enterprise, they were, in effect, working out a mixture of collectivist and individualist strategies for running the economy. Many politicians had accepted that the free market did not work satisfactorily as the recurrent problem of unemployment demonstrated.

    ...
    More generally the seeds had been sown for what after 1945 was to be known as Keynesian economic management.
    Some may disagree, but most proponents of Liberty would view this article as a shameful indictment of George and Churchill. The fact that the LVT was abandoned when it became expedient to do so speaks volumes. I suspect that LVT was from the beginning nothing more than a political weapon that took on a life of its own. Thus LVT proponents are the victims of tragic hoax and are to be pitied for being dupes.

    Oh, and Churchill's "vehement opposition" only extended to those cronies who were not "his", rather than against the practice as a whole. Indeed, with the expansion of the state, George and Churchill created whole new classes of cronies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Len Larson View Post
    Googling "1909 Churchill Budget Cuts" gives this page in the first five results:
    The ‘People’s Budget’: Causes and Consequences by Professor Martin Pugh
    Selected quotes from the article:

    Some may disagree, but most proponents of Liberty would view this article as a shameful indictment of George and Churchill. The fact that the LVT was abandoned when it became expedient to do so speaks volumes. I suspect that LVT was from the beginning nothing more than a political weapon that took on a life of its own. Thus LVT proponents are the victims of tragic hoax and are to be pitied for being dupes.

    Oh, and Churchill's "vehement opposition" only extended to those cronies who were not "his", rather than against the practice as a whole. Indeed, with the expansion of the state, George and Churchill created whole new classes of cronies.
    WW1 came in the way of implementation. Not to mention the powerful landed House of Lords. Many against could mess it up after LVT became law. Churchill knew that.

    LVT was not a political stunt and people duped. The offices were setup. After WW1 coalitions came about which gave a climate difficult for passing an LVT law. Around 1930 there was a Labour/Tory coalition. The Labour finance minister wanted LVT but the others (backed by landowners) stopped it.

    The UK is the only major country in the world near to implementing LVT on a national level. Denmark did it to success, but quite a small country. If Churchill did get LVT through, the world would be a different place, and no WW2, as many otter countries would have adopted the success of the UK.

    The USA has had better success at geting LVT at local levels. The UK cannot do that because of their laws.
    Last edited by EcoWarrier; 08-03-2012 at 02:05 AM.
    “I have made speeches by the yard on the subject
    of land-value taxation, and you know what a supporter
    I am of that policy.”

    - Winston Churchill


    The only war Winston Churchill ever lost was
    against the British landlords.

    - Fred Harrison (economic writer)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    I am not persuaded one way or the other. I believe in property rights,
    I think you mean Land rights. LVT does not negate those. It just reclaims the community created value soaked into the land values. LVT does not confiscate land despite the nonsense spouted by nutballs on these forums.
    “I have made speeches by the yard on the subject
    of land-value taxation, and you know what a supporter
    I am of that policy.”

    - Winston Churchill


    The only war Winston Churchill ever lost was
    against the British landlords.

    - Fred Harrison (economic writer)

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    Quote Originally Posted by idiom View Post
    So what you are saying is that people who can't pay their LVT might have to find somewhere else to live?
    No. You are saying that. He has rolled out the old widow bogey as Churchill called it. What happens now when you cannot pay debts? Do we allow peple a free ride now with debts?
    “I have made speeches by the yard on the subject
    of land-value taxation, and you know what a supporter
    I am of that policy.”

    - Winston Churchill


    The only war Winston Churchill ever lost was
    against the British landlords.

    - Fred Harrison (economic writer)

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    “I have made speeches by the yard on the subject
    of land-value taxation, and you know what a supporter
    I am of that policy.”

    - Winston Churchill


    The only war Winston Churchill ever lost was
    against the British landlords.

    - Fred Harrison (economic writer)

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    Quote Originally Posted by EcoWarrier View Post
    No. You are saying that. He has rolled out the old widow bogey as Churchill called it. What happens now when you cannot pay debts? Do we allow peple a free ride now with debts?
    Okay, so families who have lived in the same location for thousands of years suddenly have your community roll up and impose debts because you think they owe you something. In communities where debts cannot be used to claim land.

    But you have the god given right to tell people where they can and cannot live.


    Oh and if people had followed your advice Hitler, Mussolini and Hirohito would have stayed home. Do you even read what you write?
    Stop the Looting and Start Prosecuting! Gold plated Tungsten IS Money!
    We Must Dissent A colher não existe.
    A government is just a body of people, notably, usually, ungoverned.

    "You mean this entire war started because The Empire dressed as the enemy? That's exactly what happened in the last major war! Our government is so stupid!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by EcoWarrier View Post
    WW1 came in the way of implementation. Not to mention the powerful landed House of Lords. Many against could mess it up after LVT became law. Churchill knew that.
    Uh-huh and Churchill also knew that war has never been used to justify pushing through a new tax system?
    More likely Churchill had become entrenched in the existing power structure and realized that LVT might disrupt his comfy position and inconvenience his cronies.
    Last edited by Len Larson; 08-03-2012 at 07:40 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by idiom View Post
    Okay, so families who have lived in the same location for thousands of years suddenly have your community roll up and impose debts
    Debt is only when you do not pay. It is no differnt to now. Do not pay and a system is in place to recover the debts. No change.

    If the "old widow" gets older and lives in massive house that is worth a fortune, and she cannot pay the property tax, what occurs right now?
    Last edited by EcoWarrier; 08-04-2012 at 04:52 AM.
    “I have made speeches by the yard on the subject
    of land-value taxation, and you know what a supporter
    I am of that policy.”

    - Winston Churchill


    The only war Winston Churchill ever lost was
    against the British landlords.

    - Fred Harrison (economic writer)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Len Larson View Post
    Uh-huh and Churchill also knew that war has never been used to justify pushing through a new tax system?
    You are confused. Churchill never started WW1 or WW2. He never used it to push through a superior tax system for sure.

    Coalitions between WW1 & WW2 stopped the LVT introduction. The Tories, backed by landed people, were totally against LVT as it brought justice and fairness and stopped free-loaders. But now even they have a small LVT lobby.
    Last edited by EcoWarrier; 08-04-2012 at 04:54 AM.
    “I have made speeches by the yard on the subject
    of land-value taxation, and you know what a supporter
    I am of that policy.”

    - Winston Churchill


    The only war Winston Churchill ever lost was
    against the British landlords.

    - Fred Harrison (economic writer)

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    Quote Originally Posted by EcoWarrier View Post
    Debts is only when you do not pay. It is no differnt to now. Do not pay and a system is in place to recover the debts. No change.

    If the "old widow" gets older and lives in massive house that is worth a fortune, and she cannot pay the property tax, what occurs right now?
    Not every country has property taxes right now. A number of countries don't allow seizure of land for debt payment. You want to change that because you want to enable the super-rich to have access to the poor's land. The thing keeping them alive.
    Stop the Looting and Start Prosecuting! Gold plated Tungsten IS Money!
    We Must Dissent A colher não existe.
    A government is just a body of people, notably, usually, ungoverned.

    "You mean this entire war started because The Empire dressed as the enemy? That's exactly what happened in the last major war! Our government is so stupid!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by EcoWarrier View Post
    Coalitions between WW1 & WW2 stopped the LVT introduction. The Tories, backed by landed people, were totally against LVT as it brought justice and fainmes and stopped free-loaders. But now even they have a small LVT lobby.
    It always cracks me up when fanatical ideologues reveal their fantasies, as they impute their own rationale and reasoning processes to others, as if everyone was secretly in agreement with their premises.

    Tories: (secretly, in a hushed clandestine tone) "Gentlemen, as Tories who are backed by landed people, we must oppose the Land Value Tax with all our resources and might! Why? Because an imposition of the Land Value Tax will only serve to bring justice and fairness, that is why! It will also put a stop to landowner freeloading, and what would become of us? We cannot have that!"

    Later, upon defeat of the Land Value Tax proposition, as Sir Snidely Whiplash shared a toast with his Tory cronies in Parliament, he was seen stroking his long, black curled mustache and rubbing his hands together, whilst giggling maniacally in villainous landowning glee.

    Now that unfairness, injustice and landowner privilege and freeloading was secured in England, Sir Whiplash contemplated life, and possibly a new wife, in the Americas - a life somewhere near train tracks, and possibly some beautiful damsels who might not be able to pay their rent -- and, of course, a source for a supply of good rope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steven Douglas View Post
    It always cracks me up when fanatical ideologues reveal their fantasies,
    Your fantacies is some sort of freedom - freedom to free-load off the rest of us. Not pay your way.
    “I have made speeches by the yard on the subject
    of land-value taxation, and you know what a supporter
    I am of that policy.”

    - Winston Churchill


    The only war Winston Churchill ever lost was
    against the British landlords.

    - Fred Harrison (economic writer)

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    Quote Originally Posted by idiom View Post
    Not every country has property taxes right now. A number of countries don't allow seizure of land for debt payment. You want to change that because you want to enable the super-rich to have access to the poor's land. The thing keeping them alive.
    You don't know what I propose to charge - you make things up. Who are these super-rich you are on about? Boy you are very confused with all sorts of strange notions bouncing around your skull. If you do not pay your propertry taxes, mechanisms are enacted to recover the debt. Simple. That is how it works right now. You are saying if someone does not pay their property taxes then we must ignore the debt. Old and infirm people may have these paid for them by the Welfare system.
    Last edited by EcoWarrier; 08-04-2012 at 04:50 AM.
    “I have made speeches by the yard on the subject
    of land-value taxation, and you know what a supporter
    I am of that policy.”

    - Winston Churchill


    The only war Winston Churchill ever lost was
    against the British landlords.

    - Fred Harrison (economic writer)

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    Quote Originally Posted by EcoWarrier View Post
    You don't know what I propose to charge - you make things up. Who are these super-rich you are on about? Boy you are very confused with all sorts of strange notions bouncing around your skull. If you do not pay your propertry taxes, mechanisms are enacted to recover the debt. Simple. That is how it works right now. You are saying if someone does not pay their property taxes then we must ignore the debt. Old and infirm people may have these paid for them by the Welfare system.
    This is assuming that "property tax" is in place because the government owns your land - e.g, you cannot live on that land without payment to the government. Of course, one could argue that without the government to properly assign land to its citizens, there would be a huge land grab/land rush, just like the gold rush of the mid 1800s. But it would be fascinating to see how private property on a national scale would ensue.

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    Julian Simon demolished the premise underlying LVT many years ago. Here is an excerpt from chapter 8 of his book "The Ultimate Resource II"
    http://www.juliansimon.com/writings/Ultimate_Resource/

    IS LAND DIFFERENT FROM OTHER RESOURCES?

    Many people consider land to be a special kind of resource. But like other natural
    resources, land is the result of the human creative process, as discussed in chapters
    1-3. Though the stock of usable land seems fixed at any moment, it is constantly
    being increased - at a rapid rate in many cases - by the clearing of new fields or the
    reclamation of wasteland. Land also is constantly being enhanced by increasing the
    number of crops grown per year on each unit of land, and by increasing the yield per
    crop with better farming methods and with chemical fertilizer.
    Last but not least, land is created anew where there was none. For example, much of
    Holland originally belonged more to the sea than to the land. "According to strict
    geographical determinism, one would expect to find there nothing but a fever-ridden
    delta and lagoons, the undisputed domain of sea fowl and migratory birds. Instead, we
    find a prosperous and densely-peopled country, with in fact the highest densities of
    population in Europe." The new land was won by diking and draining. "This is
    essentially a triumph of human will, it is the imprint of civilization on the
    landscape." A hundred years ago someone said of the Netherlands, "This is not soil,
    it is the flesh and blood and sweat of men."
    Modern Japan is applying the lesson of Holland. When land around Tokyo becomes
    scarce and extraordinarily expensive, the Japanese build an artificial island in Tokyo
    Bay and contemplate large floating structures, including perhaps an airport. And Hong
    Kong is planning to build a new airport on reclaimed land just off one of its islands.
    Holland was created by muscle power. But the potential for creating new land has
    increased as new power sources and our knowledge and machinery have developed. In the
    future, the potential for creating new and better land will be even greater. We will
    make mountains where there now is water, learn new techniques of changing the nature
    of soils, and develop our ability to transport fresh water to arid regions.
    Extending the process into a third dimension which Holland demonstrated in two
    dimensions, the capacity to grow food in multilevel structures with the use of
    artificial light (see the discussion of Phytofarm in chapter 6) means that the supply
    of effective agricultural land can be expanded without limit - that is, it is not
    finite. This is no pipedream, but a demonstrated reality that is economic even at
    current prices.
    My emphasis added to the last sentence.
    Last edited by Len Larson; 08-04-2012 at 07:21 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soulcyon View Post
    This is assuming that "property tax" is in place because the government owns your land
    It is not assuming the land is common owned at all. Stop making things up.

    - e.g, you cannot live on that land without payment to the government.
    There is no change for occupying the land with LVT. LVT merely reclaims community created wealth that soaked into the land and crystallized as land values. If it is worth next to nothing you pay next to nothing.

    LVT is a TAX SHIFT, not public ownership of land. It taxes values of land. LVT is a tax in form but not in substance.
    Last edited by EcoWarrier; 08-04-2012 at 07:21 AM.
    “I have made speeches by the yard on the subject
    of land-value taxation, and you know what a supporter
    I am of that policy.”

    - Winston Churchill


    The only war Winston Churchill ever lost was
    against the British landlords.

    - Fred Harrison (economic writer)

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    Julian Simon has been demolished many times . He is plainly stupid. A monkey on a typewriter.

    Many people consider land to be a special kind of resource. But like other natural resources, land is the result of the human creative process,
    Land was created by humans? This one is in La-La land, and you are as bad for posting such tripe.

    < snip the rest of the drivel >
    “I have made speeches by the yard on the subject
    of land-value taxation, and you know what a supporter
    I am of that policy.”

    - Winston Churchill


    The only war Winston Churchill ever lost was
    against the British landlords.

    - Fred Harrison (economic writer)

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    What if community does not want to "reclaim" wealth? Let's say this is a community of libertarians that respect property rights for land? They also do not want government services and etc?
    Quote Originally Posted by Cowlesy View Post
    Americans in general are jedi masters of blaming every other person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverhandorder View Post
    What if community does not want to "reclaim" wealth? Let's say this is a community of libertarians that respect property rights for land? They also do not want government services and etc?
    You are confused. Geoism respects rights to occupy land. LVT is a tax shift, from production, and people's wages, to reclaiming commonly created wealth. Simple, easy, even you may understand that.

    If they think they are not in a community then they need professioanl help. In short, they want to free-load and live off the backs of others.
    Last edited by EcoWarrier; 08-04-2012 at 08:25 AM.
    “I have made speeches by the yard on the subject
    of land-value taxation, and you know what a supporter
    I am of that policy.”

    - Winston Churchill


    The only war Winston Churchill ever lost was
    against the British landlords.

    - Fred Harrison (economic writer)

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