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    How M.S.G. (Monosodium Glutamate) is Hidden in Your Foods and its Antidote, Taurine

    How M.S.G. (Monosodium Glutamate) is Hidden in Your Foods and its Antidote, Taurine

    Written by Thomas Corriher

    Riddle me this: If monosodium glutamate is as safe as its proponents claim, then why do they consistently labor to hide it from us with deceptive labeling?


    Neutralizing M.S.G., Neutralizing Monosodium Glutamate


    Many readers will be thrilled to discover that there is an effective, all-natural antidote for M.S.G. poisoning called taurine. It is an amino acid that is naturally produced by the human body. Taurine is also found in proteins, and energy drinks. It is a stimulating amino acid. Taurine capsules can be found in health food stores, and should be kept ready for M.S.G. emergencies. It effectively neutralizes M.S.G.. The earlier that it is taken during a time of exposure, the better. If at all possible, it is best to take taurine just before M.S.G. consumption, but please note that we would never recommend consumption of M.S.G., even when there is taurine available to neutralize it.

    Conversely, M.S.G. neutralizes the taurine already present in the body, and it is important to remember that taurine is required to regulate the pulse rate.

    Monosodium Glutamate, more commonly known as M.S.G., is in a special class of chemicals known as excitotoxins. These chemicals cross the blood brain barrier to over stimulate the neurons of the brain to the degree of permanently killing them. This means that M.S.G. poisoning will lower a person's intelligence faster than lead, in addition to the better known mental and physical effects of M.S.G.. This poison is especially dangerous when combined with magnesium deficiencies (think green vegetables), which are normal in the United States. In fact, this is a deadly combination that can lead to sudden heart failures, and it is a primary reason why so many high-school athletes in the United States have mysterious heart failures.

    Now M.S.G. is also being sprayed directly upon crops, because it is a highly effective insecticide. Of course, the F.D.A. has blessed its usage inside your foods for decades.

    "Cardiovascular signs [of M.S.G. consumption] include hypotension, shock, and sometimes cardiac arrhythmias, which, if untreated, may precipitate circulatory collapse."

    -- Handbook of Diseases, 2003

    U.S. food regulators and chemical companies are intentionally making it difficult to avoid M.S.G., by using other names to hide its presence in ingredients lists. Yes, they really are trying to dumb us down, and these deceptions are allowed as a matter of official policy.

    Common Names Used To Hide M.S.G. In Ingredients Lists
    Gelatin
    Calcium Caseinate
    Hydrolyzed Vegetable Protein (HVP)
    Textured Protein
    Monopotassium glutamate
    Hydrolyzed Plant Protein (HPP)
    Yeast Extract
    Sodium Glutamate
    Glutamate
    Autolyzed Plant Protein
    Yeast Food

    Yeast Nutrient
    Glutamic Acid
    Sodium Caseinate
    Autolyzed Yeast
    Vegetable Protein Extract
    Soy Protein
    Hydrolyzed Corn Gluten
    Natural Flavor *
    Artificial Flavor
    Spice *
    Senomyx **

    * Since the F.D.A. has intentionally left "Natural Flavor" and "Spice" without meaningful definitions, the chemical companies freely use these names to hide the presence of toxins in your foods. The system works this way by design.

    ** Senomyx -- We are not going to report what this chemical is, because you would have trouble believing us. Read about it yourself, and stay away from it. Naturally, the F.D.A. has awarded it a G.R.A.S. (Generally Recognized As Safe) rating, with it only having been "scientifically" tested by its manufacturer (wink). Now get this, for here comes the real kicker: this stuff is going to be marketed to the health-conscious consumers in much the same way that canola oil has been. Are there any doubts remaining about what the real agenda is?

    "[MSG's] commercial use is permitted only due to its marketing before the 1958 Food Additive Amendments to the Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act, which in effect grandfathered hundreds of substances which had never been tested for safety, including MSG...

    "... Certain neuroscientists have, for years, warned that consumption of neurotoxic amino acids (glutamic acid, aspartic acid, and L-cysteine) place consumers at risk -- with most risk to newborns and young children whose immature blood-brain barriers leave them less well protected than more mature people. There is now additional and growing concern on the part of neuroscientists that the glutamate that we eat may cause or exacerbate neurodegenerative diseases such as ALS, Parkinson’s disease, and Alzheimer’s disease."

    — Mission Possible Canada (www.aspartame.ca)

    "Industry has begun to proliferate products with the words 'No MSG', 'No Added MSG', or 'No MSG Added' on product labels when the products contain hydrolyzed protein (which invariably contains MSG) -- a practice that is clearly in violation of existing FDA regulations. Hidden MSG is not limited to use in food. MSG sensitive people have reported reactions to soaps, shampoos, hair conditioners, and cosmetics that contain hidden MSG. The most obvious common hiding places are in ingredients called 'hydrolyzed protein' and 'amino acids'. Drinks, candy and chewing gum are also potential sources of hidden MSG... Binders and fillers for medications, nutrients, and supplements, both prescription and non-prescription, including internal feeding materials and some fluids administered intravenously in hospitals, may contain MSG. Reactions to MSG are dose related, i.e., some people react to even very small amounts of MSG while others usually only react to relatively more. MSG-induced reactions may occur immediately after contact or after as much as 48 hours."
    -- Aspartame Poisoning Information Canada


    The Documented Effects Of M.S.G. Consumption
    • Epilepsy
    • Vision Disturbances
    • Panic Attacks
    • Heart Attacks
    • Parkinson's Disease
    • Huntington's Disease
    • ALS (Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis)
    • Alzheimer's Disease
    • Brain Lesions
    • Retina Damage
    • Obesity
    • Food Cravings
    • Depleted Nutrients
    • Hyperinsulinemia
    • Stunted Growth
    • Crosses Into The Fetus
    • Ocular (Eye) Destruction
    • Liver Damage
    • Diabetes
    • Kidney Damage
    • Vastly increased chance of ADD,
    ADHD, Asperger’s or Autism
    • Severe Headache
    • Shortness Of Breath
    • Chest Pains
    • Asthma
    • Slowed Speech
    • Gastrointestinal Disturbances

    • Swelling
    • Numbness of Hands, Feet, or Jaw
    • Chronic Bronchitis
    • Allergy Reactions
    • Irregular Heart Beat
    • Unstable Blood Pressure
    • Pain in Joints or Bones
    • Abrupt Mood Changes
    • Tingling in Face or Chest
    • Pressure Behind Eyes
    • Difficulty Swallowing
    • Anxiety Attacks
    • Explosive Rages
    • Balance Problems - Dizziness or Seizures
    • Mini-Strokes
    • Fibromyalgia
    • MS
    • Tenderness in localized areas, neck, back, etc.
    • Chronic Post Nasal Drip
    • Sleep Disorders
    • Blurred Vision
    • Chronic Fatigue
    • Extreme thirst or Dry Mouth
    • Hypoglycemia
    • Difficulty Concentrating and Poor Memory

    You may notice the alarming number of diseases caused or aggravated by M.S.G., which is a little too convenient for the industry partners of the F.D.A.. It is no coincidence that these symptoms match almost exactly those of pesticide ingestion.

    Glutamate occurs naturally in some foods, but the naturally occurring glutamate does not cause ill-effects, and it is believed to always appear in nature with its own antidote(s). The kind of M.S.G. added to foods is the type that the F.D.A. allows manufacturers to call a "Natural Flavor". What follows describes the all-natural process from whence it is made. Thanks to truthinlabeling.org for providing this information.

    "Processed free glutamic acid (MSG) is created when protein is either partially or fully broken apart into its constituent amino acids, or glutamic acid is secreted from selected bacteria. A protein can be broken into its constituent amino acids in a number of ways (autolysis, hydrolysis, enzymolysis, and/or fermentation). In general, these processes are referred to as 'hydrolyzation' of protein. When a protein is hydrolyzed, the amino acid chains in the protein are broken, and individual amino acids are freed. Acids, enzymes, and/or fermentation processes are used to hydrolyze protein...

    "Today, the glutamic acid component of the food additive monosodium glutamate is generally made by bacterial or microbial fermentation wherein bacteria used are often, if not always, genetically engineered. In this method, bacteria are grown aerobically in a liquid nutrient medium. The bacteria have the ability to excrete glutamic acid they synthesize outside of their cell membrane into the liquid nutrient medium in which they are grown. The glutamic acid is then separated from the fermentation broth by filtration, concentration, acidification, and crystallization, and, through the addition of sodium, converted to its monosodium salt."

    — truthinlabeling.org

    In other words, the synthetic M.S.G. added to our foods is typically produced from the putrid fermenting wastes of genetically engineered bacteria combined with powerful acids. One must wonder if the workers are required to wear bio-hazard space suits. This whole process is apparently considered to be natural, at least it is defined that way by the FDA's unique version of science.


    We recommend reading, The Slow Poisoning Of Mankind, which was an official report submitted to the World Health Organization about M.S.G..
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    Taurine Protects Heart, Eyes and Improves glucose tolerance
    http://www.smart-publications.com/ar...cose-tolerance

    Amino acids are the components of proteins. These amino acids are strung together like the links on a chain, where they form the proteins that make our bodies work properly. There are a few exceptions to this rule, amino acids that perform their function individually, not as components of proteins.
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    Taurine is one such amino acid. In fact, taurine is the most abundant free amino acid in the body.

    What does taurine do?

    Taurine is a non-essential amino acid produced by the body through the synthesis of two other amino acids, methionine and cysteine. It is an important component of bile acids, which are used to absorb fats and fat-soluble vitamins. It also regulates heartbeat; maintains the stability of cell membranes; transports calcium in and out of cells; and regulates the activity of brain cells. It is also a potent antioxidant.

    Taurine is believed to play a role in treating a number of conditions, including congestive heart failure, high blood pressure, diabetes, and retinal damage.

    Normally our bodies manufacture taurine rather than obtain it from our diet. It is produced by a combination of cysteine, methionine and vitamin C, but low amounts of these substances can in turn lead to taurine deficiency.
    Can we get taurine from food?

    Taurine is found in eggs, dairy products, fish and red meat. If you're a vegetarian you probably suffer from a taurine deficiency … and if you're a meat eater, it's unlikely that you're taurine deficient. But as we age we may not produce an optimal amount of taurine … and research has shown that it's definitely worth taking a taurine supplement—regardless of your diet—because our need for taurine can often exceed our normal dietary intake or our body's ability to manufacture it. And taurine has tremendous health benefits when you get more than what your body normally needs to prevent a deficiency.

    Much of the impetus for this research has been based on the discovery that cats require a dietary source of taurine, or they develop dramatic health problems including reproductive failure, growth retardation, retinal degeneration and heart failure. In fact, taurine is so important to the health of felines that it is now added to cat food to ensure their health and longevity. While this has been a tremendous help in enhancing the health of our cats, there are many reasons why we want to make sure we are getting extra amounts of taurine every day.
    A powerful antioxidant

    Taurine is an important antioxidant in the body, and especially high amounts are found in the retina of the eye.1 Deficiencies of taurine are known to cause retinal lesions and visual deterioration, which can be reversed with dietary taurine.

    In a 1975 study, a diet deficient in taurine was associated with retinal degeneration in cats.2
    Protects against macular degeneration

    Taurine is believed to enhance the rods and cones—the pigmented epithelial cells in the retina of the eye that serve as visual receptor cells. The greatest visual acuity occurs in the macular area of the retina near where the optic nerve enters from the back of the eye. As we age, the macula commonly degenerates as rods and cones die, which can result in blindness. The cause of the degeneration is unclear, but it occurs more commonly in diabetics and may be the result of free radical damage from ultraviolet light or oxygen exposure.3
    Heart health

    Your heart beats more than 2 billion times in your lifetime, transporting blood and oxygen to your body's various systems. One consequence of aging can be heart failure, a decreased ability of the heart to pump out all of the blood that flows into it. Research has shown that in humans taurine enhances the contractile strength of heart muscle and is believed to help prevent heart failure.45

    In a 1984 animal study, taurine protected against heart failure, reducing mortality by 80 percent in the taurine-treated group with no diminishment of cardiac function.6 In a later animal study in 1988, taurine was shown to lower blood pressure.7

    Taurine has also been shown to prevent the development of atherosclerosis in animals with elevated cholesterol levels.8
    Helps protect normal brain activity

    Large amounts of taurine are also found in the brain. Recent in- vitro research has shown that among its brain-specific roles, taurine helps prevent the damaging oxidation of certain neurotransmitters implicated in Parkinsons disease9, in addition to its already established neuroprotective roles.10
    Improves glucose tolerance

    One of the negative consequences of our "sugar laden" modern diets is the harmful effects of excess fructose. In animals, high fructose diets are known to cause a diabetes-like syndrome and dramatically lower antioxidant levels and glucose tolerance. Supplements of taurine have been shown to effectively counter this in laboratory animals.11 Taurine works by increasing the action of insulin, improving glucose tolerance and enhancing antioxidant levels12—which are important functions to balance the negative effects of high sugar diets.
    Decreases risk of muscle damage

    Large amounts of taurine are also found in muscle, where it is believed to play an essential role. Taurine has shown the ability to lower muscle damage from intense exercise, and improve performance.13 Exercise depletes the muscles of taurine14, making supplementation essential for anyone concerned with getting the maximum benefit from their exercise program.
    Enhance your health with taurine supplementation

    Although there is no set required daily allowance for taurine, a good multinutrient supplement will contain 250mg per daily dose.

    There is overwhelming evidence, however, based on the research that's been done, that all of us could benefit from increasing our taurine intake to 500-2000mg per day.

    So, do what our feline friends do. Add taurine to your daily nutritional supplement regimen. You may not gain nine lives … but you might just gain health benefits that you wouldn't want to pass up in this lifetime.

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    I just came from a store selling MSG with the spices.
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    god bless you, donnay!

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    Exclamation Home Remedies Relieve Symptoms And Allergic Reactions From MSG Poisoning – Here’s What You Nee

    Home Remedies Relieve Symptoms And Allergic Reactions From MSG Poisoning – Here’s What You Need To Know

    by JB Bardot



    Monosodium glutamate (MSG) is used in nearly all foods as a preservative or flavor enhancer. A toxic food additive, MSG creates a wide constellation of symptoms forcing victims to seek relief from side effects and allergic reactions. Minute amounts of MSG are found in everything that’s processed, even vegetables and organic milk. These relatively benign quantities are activated by heating during processing becoming noxious, and in some cases poisonous — causing dangerous health reactions when consumed.

    Symptoms of MSG poisoning

    The following are some of the symptoms you may develop from eating food laced with MSG. Headaches, numbness, dizziness, burning sensations in the neck and chest, tingling nausea, palpitations, elevated blood pressure, difficulty breathing, panic attacks, sleepiness, depression, confusion, cognitive disorder, and food cravings are common symptoms for sensitive people.

    MSG can produce life-threatening, allergic reactions including hives, swelling of the face, tongue and throat preventing breathing, and causing anaphylaxis. This condition requires immediate medical attention.

    Avoiding MSG

    Avoid processed and packaged foods, pre-cooked soups, salad dressings and sauces. Steer clear of restaurant foods, especially salad and hot bars. Most fermented foods such as soy sauce contain high levels of MSG. Skip Chinese and Asian food unless you make it yourself or know with absolute certainty that the restaurant doesn’t use MSG. Specifically request “no MSG” when ordering and consume foods freshly prepared for you with no additional sauces.

    Remedies for MSG poisoning

    Cream of Tartar: Keep a small container of cream of tartar nearby. When mixed with water, cream of tartar will immediately neutralize MSG poisoning, relieving most symptoms. Cream of tartar creates an alkaline-forming environment when ingested, raising the blood pH and stabilizing the system. Mix 1/2 teaspoon in eight oz. of water and drink, or sprinkle some in a small bottle of water, shake and drink.

    Continued...
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    How many cases of MSG poisoning are reported by hospitals each year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    How many cases of MSG poisoning are reported by hospitals each year?
    Its my understanding that MSG poisoning is not acute but cumulative and has effects on the brain.

    keywords:

    msg neuro
    msg excitotoxin
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    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    Its my understanding that MSG poisoning is not acute but cumulative and has effects on the brain.

    keywords:

    msg neuro
    msg excitotoxin

    Yay! Someone who actually gets it! +rep
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    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    Its my understanding that MSG poisoning is not acute but cumulative and has effects on the brain.

    gibberish:

    msg neuro
    msg excitotoxin
    Your understanding is wrong. Despite DonnaY's repetitive oft-reputed nonsense, there is no documented evidence of MSG being even remotely harmful to anybody, ever.

    As evidence, I submit that Zippy's question still stands. Cumulative or not, why isn't anybody ever hospitalized because of MSG poisoning?

    Hint: because DonnaY only posts lies.

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    I would like to know how Monopotassium glutamate is used to hide MSG.

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    Food Additive Excitotoxins and Degenerative Brain Disorders

    by Russell L. Blaylock, MD

    There are a growing number of clinicians and basic scientists who are convinced that a group of compounds called excitotoxins play a critical role in the development of several neurological disorders including migraines, seizures, infections, abnormal neural development, certain endocrine disorders, neuropsychiatric disorders, learning disorders in children, AIDS dementia, episodic violence, lyme borreliosis, hepatic encephalopathy, specific types of obesity, and especially the neurodegenerative diseases, such as ALS, Parkinson's disease, Alzheimer's disease, Huntington's disease, and olivopontocerebellar degeneration.(1)

    An enormous amount of both clinical and experimental evidence has accumulated over the past decade supporting this basic premise.(2) Yet, the FDA still refuses to recognize the immediate and long term danger to the public caused by the practice of allowing various excitotoxins to be added to the food supply, such as monosodium glutamate (MSG), hydrolyzed vegetable protein, and aspartame.* The amount of these neurotoxins added to our food has increased enormously since their first introduction. For example, since 1948 the amount of MSG added to foods has doubled every decade. By 1972, 262,000 metric tons were being added to foods. Over 800 million pounds of aspartame have been consumed in various products since it was first approved. Ironically, these food additives have nothing to do with preserving food or protecting its integrity. They are all used to alter the taste of food. MSG, hydrolyzed vegetable protein, and natural flavoring are used to enhance the taste of food so as to mask disagreeable taste and magnify desired taste. Aspartame is an artificial sweetener that goes by various brand names such as NutraSweet and Equal.

    These toxins (excitotoxins) are not present in just a few foods, but rather in almost all processed foods. In many cases they are being added in disguised forms, such as natural flavoring, spices, yeast extract, textured protein, soy protein extract, etc. Experimentally, we know that when subtoxic levels of excitotoxins are given to animals in divided doses, they experience full toxicity, i.e., they are synergistic. Also, liquid forms of excitotoxins, as occurs in soups, gravies and diet soft drinks are more toxic than that added to solid foods. This is because they are more rapidly absorbed and reach higher blood levels.

    So, what is an excitotoxin? These are substances, usually acidic amino acids, that react with specialized receptors in the brain in such a way as to lead to destruction of certain types of neurons. Glutamate is one of the more commonly known excitotoxins, but over seventy have thus far been identified. MSG is the sodium salt of glutamate. Glutamate is a normal neurotransmitter in the brain. In fact, it is the most commonly used neurotransmitter by the brain. Defenders of MSG and aspartame use, usually say: How could a substance that is used normally by the brain cause harm? This is because, glutamate, as a neurotransmitter, exists in the extracellular fluid only in very, very small concentrations --- no more than 8 to 12uM. When the concentration of this transmitter rises above this level, the neurons begin to fire abnormally. At higher concentrations, the cells undergo this specialized process of delayed cell death, excitotoxicity. That is, they are excited to death.

    It should also be appreciated that the effects of excitotoxin food additives generally are not dramatic. Some individuals may be especially sensitive and develop severe symptoms and even sudden death from cardiac irritability; but, in most instances, the effects are subtle and develop over a long period of time. While the food additives, MSG and aspartame, are probably not direct causes of the neurodegenerative diseases, such as Alzheimer's dementia, Parkinson's disease, or amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS), they may well precipitate these disorders and certainly worsen their pathology as we shall see. It may be that many people with a propensity for developing one of these diseases would never develop a full blown disorder had it not been for their exposure to high levels of food borne excitotoxin additives. Some may have had a very mild form of the disease had it not been for the exposure. Likewise, food borne excitotoxins may be harmful to those suffering from strokes, head injury and HIV infection, and certainly should not be used in a hospital setting.

    How Excitotoxins Were Discovered

    In 1957, two ophthalmology residents, Lucas and Newhouse, were conducting an experiment on mice to study a particular eye disorder.(3) During the course of this experiment, they fed newborn mice MSG and discovered that all demonstrated widespread destruction of the inner nerve layer of the retina. Similar destruction was also seen in adult mice but not as severe as the newborns. The results of their experiment was published in the Archives of Ophthalmology and soon forgotten.

    For ten years prior to this report, large amounts of MSG were being added not only to adult foods but also to baby foods in doses equal to those of the experimental animals.

    Then in 1969, Dr. John Olney, a neuroscientist and neuropathologist working out of the Department of Psychiatry at Washington University in St. Louis, repeated Lucas and Newhouse's experiment.(4) His lab assistant noticed that the newborn of MSG exposed mice were grossly obese and short in stature. Further examination also demonstrated hypoplastic organs, including pituitary, thyroid, adrenal as well as reproductive dysfunction. Physiologically, they demonstrated multiple endocrine deficiencies, including TSH, growth hormone, LH, FSH, and ACTH. When Dr. Olney examined the animal's brain, he discovered discrete lesions of the arcuate nucleus as well as less severe destruction of other hypothalamic nuclei.

    Recent studies have shown that glutamate is the most important neurotransmitter in the hypothalamus.(5) Since this early observation, monosodium glutamate and other excitatory substances have become the standard tool in studying the function of the hypothalamus. Later studies indicated that the damage by monosodium glutamate was much more widespread and included such areas as the hippocampus, circumventricular organs, locus ceruleus, amygdala-limbic system, subthalamus, and striatum.(6)

    More recent molecular studies have disclosed the mechanism of this destruction in some detail.(7) Early on, it was observed that when neurons in vitro were exposed to glutamate and then washed clean, the cells appeared perfectly normal for approximately an hour, at which time they rapidly underwent cell death. It was discovered that when calcium was removed from the medium, the cells continued to survive. Subsequent studies have shown that glutamate, and other excitatory amino acids, attach to a specialized family of receptors (NMDA, kainate, AMPA and metabotrophic) which in turn, either directly or indirectly, opens the calcium channel on the neuron cell membrane, allowing calcium to flood into the cell. If unchecked, this calcium will trigger a cascade of reactions, including free radical generation, eicosanoid production, and lipid peroxidation, which will destroy the cell. With this calcium triggered stimulation, the neuron becomes very excited, firing its impulses repetitively until the point of cell death, hence the name excitotoxin. The activation of the calcium channel via the NMDA type receptors also involves other membrane receptors such as the zinc, magnesium, phencyclidine, and glycine receptors.

    In many disorders connected to excitotoxicity, the source of the glutamate and aspartate is endogenous. We know that when brain cells are injured they release large amounts of glutamate from surrounding astrocytes, and this glutamate can further damage surrounding normal neuronal cells. This appears to be the case in strokes, seizures and brain trauma. But, food borne excitotoxins can add significantly to this accumulation of toxins.

    The FDA's Response

    In July 1995, the Federation of American Societies for Experimental Biology (FASEB) conducted a definitive study for the FDA on the question of safety of MSG.(8) The FDA wrote a very deceptive summary of the report in which they implied that, except possibly for asthma patients, MSG was found to be safe by the FASEB reviewers. But, in fact, that is not what the report said at all. I summarized, in detail, my criticism of this widely reported FDA deception in the revised paperback edition of my book, Excitotoxins: The Taste That Kills, by analyzing exactly what the report said, and failed to say.(9) For example, it never said that MSG did not aggravate neurodegenerative diseases. What they said was, there were no studies indicating such a link. Specifically, that no one has conducted any studies, positive or negative, to see if there is a link. A vital difference.

    What we find is that there are many gaps in our knowledge concerning the toxicity of food additive excitotoxins. For example, virtually no long term studies have been done on the neuroendocrine effects of chronic excitotoxin additive feeding in humans. Likewise, there are no studies of regionally distributed brain levels of glutamate, aspartate and cysteine following chronic excitotoxin feeding. Most important, there are no studies of the effect of these excitotoxins on the physiology of the nervous system under conditions of low brain energy supply. In examining the research literature, virtually all studies of this problem, other than behavioral effects, are centered on microscopic pathologic changes and not functional alterations of either the neurons themselves or of the entire brain itself. This is of vital importance, since we know that neurons can have severely altered function without pathological change as seen on either light or electron microscopy. Several studies have been done that demonstrate significant alteration in brain neurochemistry with acute MSG exposure.(10,11)

    The Corporate Response

    Unfortunately, for the consumer, the corporate food processors not only continued to add MSG to our foods, but they have gone to great links to disguise these harmful additives. For example, they use such names as hydrolyzed vegetable protein, vegetable protein, textured protein, hydrolyzed plant protein, soy protein extract, caseinate, yeast extract, and natural flavoring. We know experimentally that when these excitotoxin taste enhancers are added together they become much more toxic than is seen individually.(12) In fact, excitotoxins in subtoxic concentrations can be fully toxic to specialized brain cells when used in combination. Frequently, I see processed foods on supermarket shelves, especially frozen or diet foods, that contain two, three or even four types of excitotoxins. We also know, as stated, that excitotoxins in liquid forms are much more toxic than solid forms because they are rapidly absorbed and attain high concentration in the blood. This means that many of the commercial soups, sauces, and gravies containing MSG are very dangerous to nervous system health, and should especially be avoided by those either having one of the above mentioned disorders, or who are at a high risk of developing one of them. They should also be avoided by cancer patients and those at high risk for cancer, because of the associated generation of free radicals and lipid peroxidation.(13)

    In the case of ALS, we know that consumption of red meats and especially MSG itself, can significantly elevate blood glutamate, much higher than is seen in the normal population.(14) Similar studies, as far as I am aware, have not been conducted in patients with Alzheimer's disease or Parkinson's disease. But, as a general rule, I would certainly suggest that person's with either of these diseases avoid MSG containing foods as well as red meats, cheeses, and pureed tomatoes, all of which are known to have higher levels of glutamate.

    It must be remembered that it is the glutamate molecule that is toxic in MSG. Glutamate is a naturally occurring amino acid found in varying concentrations in many foods. Defenders of MSG safety allude to this fact in their defense. But, it is free glutamate that is the culprit. Bound glutamate, found naturally in foods, is less dangerous because it is slowly broken down and absorbed by the gut, so that it can be utilized by the tissues, especially muscle, before toxic concentrations can build up. Therefore, a whole tomato is safer than a pureed tomato. The only exception to this based on present knowledge, is in the case of ALS. Also, the tomato plant contains several powerful antioxidants known to block glutamate toxicity.(15)

    Hydrolyzed vegetable protein is a common food additive and may contain at least two excitotoxins, glutamate and cysteic acid. Hydrolyzed vegetable protein is made by a chemical process that breaks down the vegetable's protein structure to purposefully free the glutamate, as well as aspartate, another excitotoxin. This brown powdery substance is used to enhance the flavor of foods, especially meat dishes, soups, and sauces. Despite the fact that some health food manufacturers have attempted to sell the idea that this flavor enhancer is "all natural" and "safe" because it is made from vegetables, it is not. It is the same substance added to processed foods. Experimentally, one can produce the same brain lesions using hydrolyzed vegetable protein as by using MSG or aspartate.(16)

    A growing list of excitotoxins are being discovered, including several that are found naturally. For example, L-cysteine is a very powerful excitotoxin. Recently, it has been added to certain bread dough and is sold in health food stores as a supplement. Homocysteine, a metabolic derivative, is also an excitotoxin.(17) Interestingly, elevated blood levels of homocysteine has recently been shown to be a major, if not the major, indicator of cardiovascular disease and stroke. Equally interesting, is the finding that elevated levels have also been implicated in neurodevelopmental disorders, especially anencephaly and spinal dysraphism (i.e., neural tube defects).(18) It is thought that this is the protective mechanism of action associated with the use of the prenatal vitamins B12, B6, and folate when used in combination. It remains to be seen if the toxic effect is excitatory or by some other mechanism. If it is excitatory, then unborn infants would be endangered as well by glutamate, aspartate (part of the aspartame molecule), and the other excitotoxins. Recently, several studies have been done in which it was found that all Alzheimer's patients examined had elevated levels of homocysteine.(19)

    One interesting study found that persons affected by Alzheimer's disease also have widespread destruction of their retinal ganglion cells.(20) Interestingly, this is the area found to be affected when Lucas and Newhouse first discovered the excitotoxicity of MSG. While this does not prove that dietary glutamate and other excitotoxins cause or aggravate Alzheimer's disease, it is powerful circumstantial evidence. When all of the information known concerning excitatory food additives is analyzed, it is hard to justify continued approval by the FDA for the widespread use of these food additives.

    Conclusion

    In this brief discussion of a most complicated and evolving subject, I have had to omit several important pieces of the puzzle. For example, I have said little about the functional components of the receptor systems, the glutamate transporter and its relation to ALS and Alzheimer's dementia, receptor decay with aging and disease, membrane effects of lipid peroxidation products, membrane fluidity, effects of chronic inflammation on the glutamate/free radical cycle, stress hormones and excitotoxicity, the role of insulin excess on the eicosanoid system, or the detailed physiology of the glutamatergic system. I have also only briefly alluded to the toxicity of aspartame and omitted its strong connection to brain tumor induction.

    But, I have tried to show the reader that there is a strong connection between dietary and endogenous excitotoxin excess and neurological dysfunction and disease. Many of the arguments by the food processing industry have been shown to be false. For example, that dietary glutamate does not enter the brain because of exclusion by the blood-brain barrier, has been shown to be wrong, since glutamate can enter by way of the unprotected areas of the brain such as the circumventricular organs. Also, as we have seen, chronic elevations of blood glutamate can breech the intact blood-brain barrier. In addition, there are numerous conditions under which the barrier is made incompetent.

    As our knowledge of the pathophysiology and biochemistry of the neurodegenerative diseases increases, the connection to excitotoxicity has become stronger.(21) This is especially so with the interrelationship between excitotoxicity and free radical generation and declining energy production with aging. Several factors of aging have been shown to magnify this process. For example, as the brain ages its iron content increases, making it more susceptible to free radical generation. Also, aging changes in the blood brain barrier, microvascular changes leading to impaired blood flow, free radical mitochondrial injury to energy generating enzymes, DNA adduct formation, alterations in glucose and glutamate transporters and free radical and lipid peroxidation induced alterations in the neuronal membranes all act to make the aging brain increasingly susceptible to excitotoxic injury.

    Over a lifetime of free radical injury due to chronic stress, infections, trauma, impaired blood flow, hypoglycemia, hypoxia and poor antioxidant defenses secondary to poor nutritional intake, the nervous system is significantly weakened and made more susceptible to further excitotoxic injury. We know that a loss of neuronal energy generation is one of the early changes seen with the neurodegenerative diseases. This occurs long before clinical disease develops. But, even earlier is a loss of neuronal glutathione functional levels.

    A word about ascorbic acid: Few are aware of the importance of adequate ascorbate levels for CNS function and neural protection against excitotoxicity. We are finding out that ascorbic acid plays a vital role in neurobehavioral regulation and the dopaminergic system as well, which may link ascorbate supplementation to improvements in schizophrenia.

    Our knowledge of this process opens up new avenues for treatment as well as prevention of excitotoxic injury to the nervous system. For example, there are many nutritional ways to improve CNS antioxidant defenses and boost neuronal energy generation, as well as improve membrane fluidity and receptor integrity. By using selective glutamate blocking drugs or nutrients, one may be able to alter some of the more devastating effects of Parkinson's disease. For example, there is evidence that dopamine deficiency causes a disinhibition (overactivity) of the subthalamic nucleus and that this may result in excitotoxic injury to the substantia nigra.(22) By blocking the glutamatergic neurons in this nucleus, one may be able to reduce this damage. There is also evidence that several nutrients can significantly reduce excitotoxicity. For example, combinations of coenzyme Q10 and niacinamide have been shown to protect against striatal excitotoxic lesions. Methylcobolamine, phosphotidylserine, picnogenol and acetyl-L-carnitine all protect against excitotoxicity as well.

    Of particular concern is the toxic effects of these excitotoxic compounds on the developing brain. It is well recognized that the immature brain is four times more sensitive to the toxic effects of the excitatory amino acids as is the mature brain. This means that excitotoxic injury is of special concern from the fetal stage to adolescence. There is evidence that the placenta concentrates several of these toxic amino acids on the fetal side of the placenta. Consumption of aspartame and MSG containing products by pregnant women during this critical period of brain formation is of special concern and should be discouraged. Many of the effects, such as endocrine dysfunction and complex learning, are subtle and may not appear until the child is older. Other hypothalamic syndromes associated with early excitotoxic lesions include immune alterations and violence dyscontrol.

    Over 100 million American now consume aspartame products and a greater number consume products containing one or more excitotoxins. There is sufficient medical literature documenting serious injury by these additives in the concentrations presently in our food supply to justify warning the public of these dangers. The case against aspartame is especially strong.

    Footnote

    * See FDA position papers at http://www.fda.gov/opacom/backgrounders/msg.html and http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/ANSWERS/ANS00772.html.

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    Dr. Blaylock is a neurological surgeon in Jackson, Mississippi, and a member of the Editorial Board of the Medical Sentinel. E-mail: russell@mail.misnet.com.

    Originally published in the Medical Sentinel 1999;4(6):212-215. Copyright ©1999 Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS).
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  14. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    Its my understanding that MSG poisoning is not acute but cumulative and has effects on the brain.

    keywords:

    msg neuro
    msg excitotoxin
    So you need to consume a lot of it over a long period of time.

  15. #13
    http://www.pri.org/stories/2014-10-0...alth-after-all

    Science suggests MSG really isn't bad for your health after all

    Order from any number of Chinese takeout restaurants these days, and you may notice that many menus boast “NO ADDED MSG.” The label can also be found in supermarket aisles on snack foods or on packaged seasonings.

    The labels are meant to ease consumers’ worries, because MSG, which is used as a flavor enhancer, has for decades been popularly linked to various health problems, such as headaches and allergic reactions. It's even been considered a factor in infant obesity.

    “I see people all the time who are absolutely convinced that their allergic reactions are caused by MSG — it causes this, it causes that,” says allergist and immunologist Katharine Woessner of the Scripps Clinic Medical Group, who conducted a study on MSG's effects. But, she says, “I think there’s a great misunderstanding.”

    Indeed, most scientists today agree that the notion that MSG causes sickness in humans is unfounded.

    “It’s ridiculous,” says Ken Lee, a professor and the director of food innovation at Ohio State University. “It’s wacko, it’s weird; it’s not true that MSG has any kind of toxic or causative role in food allergies.”

    Lee breaks down his reasoning: “MSG stands for monosodium glutamate. So sodium — everybody knows what that is — [is] the first ingredient in common table salt.” (Natural salt found in foods accounts for about 10 percent of a person’s total daily intake, according to the Food and Drug Administration.) Meanwhile, glutamate, the basic component of MSG, “is a synonym for glutamic acid [and] is a naturally occurring amino acid. It’s one of the building blocks of protein,” says Lee. In aqueous solutions, MSG breaks down to sodium and glutamate.

    Most living things on earth contain glutamate, says Lee, and it’s also in many foods, including tomatoes, walnuts, pecans, Parmesan cheese, peas, mushrooms and soy sauce. An average adult consumes about 13 grams of glutamate each day from the protein in food, according to the FDA; added MSG contributes another 0.55 grams.

    Monosodium glutamate was discovered more than 100 years ago by a Japanese chemist named Kikunae Ikeda, who derived it from seaweed and discovered that it had unique flavor-enhancing properties. These days, MSG is made by fermenting starch, sugar beets, sugar cane, or molasses, according to the FDA.

    The additive's negative reputation can be traced back to the 1960s, when The New England Journal of Medicine published a letter from a Maryland doctor named Robert Ho Man Kwok. Kwok wrote that he experienced symptoms similar to those of an allergic reaction every time he ate food from a Chinese restaurant, and he questioned the cause. Was it the wine he was drinking, the spices in the food, or the MSG? Kwok's letter — which referred to the collection of symptoms as “Chinese Restaurant Syndrome,” or CRS — prompted people to write in to the journal with their own experiences feeling flushed or getting headaches after consuming Chinese food, according to Lee.

    On the heels of Kwok’s letter, a neuroscientist named John Olney published a study on MSG in Science. In his experiment, he injected the additive directly into white laboratory mice and found that the tests caused a number of neurological problems in his subjects, including brain lesions or impaired development. Taken together, Kwok’s letter and Olney’s study implicated MSG as the likely culprit behind CRS.

    But there are problems relating Olney’s experiments to human subjects. He chose to inject mice with MSG under their skin, whereas the only way humans consume MSG is by eating it, says John Fernstrom, a professor of psychiatry, pharmacology and chemical biology at the University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine, and glutamate is largely metabolized in the gut. “You have to read between the lines very carefully to see when there is [a study about] MSG-induced brain damage,” says Fernstrom, “It’s always by injection.”

    Furthermore, Olney injected the MSG into his mouse subjects in doses that were actually fit for horses — far higher than what any human would ever consume. “Anything consumed in excess is no good,” says Lee. “Everything consumed in excess could be toxic, including MSG. However, that being said, I have yet to see any documented account of somebody killing [himself] by consuming vast quantities of MSG. It would be extremely difficult to do.”

    Subsequent experiments have helped dismantle the MSG-is-bad-for-you theory. For instance, in one study from 1993, researchers tested 71 subjects for reactions to MSG in relation to CRS, concluding that “rigorous and realistic scientific evidence linking the syndrome to MSG could not be found.”

    In 1999, Katherine Woessner’s team conducted a single-blind, placebo-controlled study to test the effects of MSG on 100 asthmatic patients (an earlier paper suggested that asthmatics with a sensitivity to aspirin might be sensitive to MSG). The researchers found that, while 30 participants believed they had a history of CRS, only one showed signs of reduced lung function after exposure to MSG. When that subject was tested again — this time in a double-blind, placebo-controlled challenge — the test came out negative.

    Then in 2000, researchers conducted the largest double-blind, placebo-controlled study on MSG, consisting of 130 subjects who said they were sensitive to the additive. The researchers found that MSG produced short-lasting and minor reactions in a subset of people — but these could not be reproduced consistently upon retesting. (Read about more MSG-related experiments in this peer-reviewed essay appearing in Clinical Correlations: The NYU Langone Online Journal of Medicine.)

    Meanwhile, the FDA calls MSG “generally recognized as safe” (a classification that the agency originally made in 1959). On its website, the agency writes, “Although many people identify themselves as sensitive to MSG, in studies with such individuals given MSG or a placebo, scientists have not been able to consistently trigger reactions.”

    So what about Chinese food? “If you think you get a reaction to Chinese food, maybe you do — it’s just not the MSG,” says Fernstrom, who is also a scientific advisor to the International Glutamate Technical Committee, which funds MSG research. “The thing is, there are all kinds of spices in Chinese food that are obviously plant-based — and people get allergic reactions to plants.”

    Adds Woessner: “As humans, we like to have an explanation for things, and we have to eat every day,” so if you aren’t feeling well, she says, it’s normal to trace your steps back to the last meal you ate. But what’s important to keep in mind is, “Yes, you had that meal, yes you had those symptoms — but they're not necessarily cause and effect.”

  16. #14
    As a neurotoxin:

    Excitotoxicity, the specific type of neurotoxicity mediated by glutamate, may be the missing link between ischemia and neuronal death, and intervening the mechanistic steps that lead to excitotoxicity can prevent stroke damage. Interest in excitotoxicity began fifty years ago when monosodium glutamate was found to be neurotoxic.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24361499

    The excessive activation of Glu receptors and the overloading of intracellular Ca2+ induced by MSG ultimately leading to neuronal death may result in the reduction of the capability of learning and memory in adult filial mice pregnantly treated with MSG.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8085168

    Curcumin in multiple doses is effective against glutamate neurotoxicity and oxidative stress and improves the mortality rate in rats with SAH.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21926905


    We assessed whether excitotoxicity induced by neonatal treatment with monosodium glutamate in rats
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25172309

    An excessive release of glutamate is considered to be a molecular mechanism associated with several neurological diseases that causes neuronal damage.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24520409

    Treatment with COE significantly attenuated behavioral alterations, oxidative stress, and hippocampal damage in MSG-treated animals. Hence, this study demonstrates that COE protects against MSG-induced neurotoxicity in rats.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24426226

    MSG treatment enhances β-amyloid accumulation in the rat hippocampus. Our results suggest a role for AMPK reduction in mediating the neurotoxic effects of glutamate, including β-amyloid accumulation.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24769037

    As obesity agent:

    monosodium glutamate (MSG)-induced obesity
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25306889

    MSG obese mice were induced by subcutaneous injecting MSG (4 g/kg for 7 successive days in neonatal ICR mice).
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25137853

    experimental obesity in rats induced by neonatal administration of monosodium glutamate has been studied.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25007523

    To develop our type 2 diabetes mouse model, we induced chronic obesity to mice by monosodium glutamate.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24989474




    therefore

    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    there is no documented evidence of MSG being even remotely harmful to anybody, ever.

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  17. #15
    "They also said that artificial sweeteners were safe, WMDs were in Iraq and Anna Nicole married for love."
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  18. #16
    MSG is a highly addictive compound, probably on par with cocaine.

    The corporate overseers are laughing in our faces with their motto "once you pop, you can't stop" on their Pringles cans. The Wal-Mart shoppers think that it's figurative. In reality, it's 100% correct. Once you pop, the MSG creates a severe dependency than prevents you from stopping.



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  20. #17
    Donnay's posts on this are good. My docs have consistently told me longer than I can remember to avoid MSG because of how it affects the nervous system. (they just didn't go into as much detail as found in this thread)
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  21. #18
    The problem is, if you shop at a regular grocery store, this poison is in EVERYTHING nearly. The canned soups--Fuhgeddaboudit! Even the chicken/beef/vegetable broth that claim "Organic" have MSG in it (Yeast extract)...of course not labeled, 'MSG.' It's hidden within the other names posted in this thread.

    "Organic" does not exempt this. You have to be completely aware of what you are buying.

    Fast foods are loaded with MSG, as well.

    The only way around this is by preparing your own foods, from scratch, and buy ingredients you have thoroughly looked into by reading the ingredients and understanding the hidden names--and that isn't totally foolproof.
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  22. #19
    All food will kill you. But take chemically produced industrial strength vitamins and you will live forever.

  23. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    All food will kill you. But take chemically produced industrial strength vitamins and you will live forever.
    Actually, living is a terminal illness.

  24. #21
    I take a good, pharmaceutical grade MSG. Not the toxic version they put in our food.

  25. #22
    I wonder what constant bombardment of our nervous system, particularly the brain, with MSG does to the natural production of cannabinoids by the brain? Has anyone approached the problem from this angle?



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