Drat. Beat me to it.Originally Posted by Wesker1982
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But most did not apply what they were reading. When you begin applying the ideas, start thinking and comparing, that is when they come alive. Schools get you to regurgitate, not think about what is going on.
Its barely science fiction. The conditions of the people and mentality of the state were based on Soviet Russia during Stalin's reign. That said, I disagree about its comprehensiveness. It doesn't list everything you should be wary about, but it does hit the big ones and the things it does talk about it does cover in depth.
Just the first neocon.
Some people don't need any help to humiliate themselves.
If I ever have kids I'm going to read that to them when they're young. I didn't get a chance to read it until the 6th grade."1984" was my first pick too
Second one was "Brave New World"
Third would be "Animal Farm"
If you want educational: Bastiats "Law"
*I dont play by your rules
Apparently not. Go study up on how Ayn Rand was all for using US military forces and money to defend Israel, even though she preached nonintervention for everyone else.
Though I will admit she wasn't the first neocon.
Also, I think its hilarious how many people here love Ayn Rand and hate Rand Paul on foreign policy even though they both waffled on pure nonintervention.
The book actually draws from history in case you didn't know:
Much of Oceanic society is based upon the U.S.S.R. under Joseph Stalin—Big Brother; the televised Two Minutes Hate is ritual demonisation of the enemies of the State, especially Emmanuel Goldstein (viz Leon Trotsky); altered photographs and newspaper articles create unpersons deleted from the national historical record, including even founding members of the regime (Jones, Aaronson and Rutherford) in the 1960s purges (viz the Soviet Purges of the 1930s, in which leaders of the Bolshevik Revolution were similarly treated
Orwell was a socialist but his book seems to be warning against it. The party is named IngSoc which comes from English Socialism.
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For the evils of foreign aid and interventionism:
Dollars & Dictators: A Guide to Central America
Libertarianism in one Lesson, by David Bergland
The Adventures of Jonathan Gullible, by Ken Schoolland.
The philosophy of Freedom. online animation.
A lot of people like the fiction books mentioned here, but don't "get" the message being conveyed.Non-fiction is the way to go, IMO. Subtlety seems to be lost on modern audiences. I may change my mind later, but I think "Man, Economy, and State" is what I would recommend.
nvm it hit meA lot of people like the fiction books mentioned here, but don't "get" the message being conveyed.
Last edited by DerailingDaTrain; 06-20-2012 at 08:16 PM.
Indeed. The book was based on "We"-written by Yeveny Zamyatin in the 1930s as a sort of satire of Soviet life. "We" and "1984" are the most accurate fictional depictions of the future (our present) I'm aware of.
They don't see the correlation/parallels between the story world/events and real life. Outside libertarian circles, I don't even hear the word "Orwellian" or "Dystopian" anymore. Make sense?
Idiot leftists talk about Orwell all the time. They are morons just like him.
I'm not an Ayn Rand disciple, but I don't think you can really compare the two. They come from totally different places. Ayn Rand's minor interventionist streak was due to deeply embedded prejudices, and she was just a philosopher (albeit an influential one).
Rand Paul has no discernible philosophy guiding his interventionism besides the desire to seek influence, and is one of only 535 whose decision is needed to to engage in such matters of life and death.
Two very different shortcomings affecting two very different degrees of responsibility.
That's a bit heavy for a starter
A bit? I bet HB wouldn't pass a quiz on it either.
Machiavelli's "The Prince"
...but when the trumpets blew again and the knights charged, the name they cried was "Stannis! Stannis! STANNIS!"
Sure he does. Rand Paul believes that interventionist steps (such as sanctions) can be taken when a nation presents a danger to the country, but that open war should only take place under situation of an open attack and only when declared by Congress. Very paleo-Republican. Is this nonintervention in its purest sense? Not at all. But there is a philosophical guide there.
Ayn Rand was if anything a hypocrite. She openly was against intervention except in the case of Israel where she was about as gung-ho as our Evangelical friends who think God wills we protect America. Note I am not saying she believed this for religious reasons, but that her dedication was as intense.
The imperfection of both of them though doesn't mean they should be totally rejected in my book. The Fountainhead is still one of my favorite books. And Rand Paul has done a lot of good but his isn't his father.
Last edited by PierzStyx; 06-27-2012 at 09:46 PM.
Yeah. If you're starting on economics, "END THE FED" has a list of Beginner, Moderate, and Advanced books on the subject in the back of it.
Orwell believed that socialism could be used for the good and to expand liberty and justice if practiced correctly. But he also recognized that socialism could also be twisted and warped into what you saw in Stalinist Russia (as he portrayed in 1984). He was a utopian, but wasn't completely blind. I'd say its sad he never got that utopian socialism just is impossible. Socialism will always lead to 1984 if not interrupted.
Orwell was never a socialist. He was an anarcho-syndicalist. If he were alive today I think he would be very sympathetic to our movement and ideals, and not as douchey and idiotic as someone like Noam Chomsky who is a rabid Statist parading around as a farce of An-Sync.
School of Salamanca - School of Austrian Economics - Liberty, Private Property, Free-Markets, Voluntaryist, Agorist. le monde va de lui même
"No man hath power over my rights and liberties, and I over no mans [sic]."
What, sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty.
www.mises.org
www.antiwar.com
An Arrow Against all Tyrants - Richard Overton vis. 1646 (Required reading!)
There's plenty of good short online nudges towards libertarianism listed in this thread. But the final push and the cement is Human Action by Mises.
Truth forever on the scaffold, Wrong forever on the throne,--
Yet that scaffold sways the future, and, behind the dim unknown,
Standeth God within the shadow, keeping watch above his own.
imo the best, shortest read on individualism vs. collectivism is Anthem.
Agreed. The point of the test tubes was more illustrative, I think. The idea was that children belong to the state. Germany, Japan, Australia, Russia, and other countries now directly subsidize people to have children. After they're born, most get a factory education that teaches them flag waving worship of the state. Once they're older, they get Ritalin or Prozac. Some would include fluoride. Drugs like alcohol, marijuana, and, increasingly, extasy and cocaine are culturally glorified. And that is really the goal, just like in Brave New World. Forcible medication by the government is difficult because people instinctively rebel. Encouraging cultural acceptance is better, but many will still stand aside if there is no peer pressure to join in. Creating societal peer pressure to make your problems disappear with Soma allows for a much more docile and controllable society. And then there's the distractions on the idiot box every night - baseball, porn, American Idol, video games, and the daily play struggle between Republicans and Democrats.
The stick of 1984 is only used by incompetent rulers who haven't yet learned that control is much easier when people love their servitude.
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Total Money Makeover - Dave Ramsey
Ramsey is a clown who claimed Peter Schiff was an idiot and he was wrong...he bragged he didn't own any gold and it's a stupid investment...can't believe you are recommending this clowns book
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S98_eMax9xo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Amluk6HxUH8
Last edited by qh4dotcom; 06-28-2012 at 05:08 AM.
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