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    Rand Paul's new article "Opposing Unconstitutional Wars" criticizes Romney

    Opposing Unconstitutional Wars
    By Sen. Rand Paul
    June 19, 2012 4:00 P.M.

    Much has been speculated and written since my endorsement of Mitt Romney for president. Many in the liberty movement and my longtime supporters wondered if, as a result of endorsing someone for office, I would stand up to them when they went astray.

    The question to me is as strange as the answer is simple: Yes, strongly. Every time.

    I have always done what I believe and I have never been blinded by party. In my time in the United States Senate, I have opposed the USA Patriot Act, voted against the NDAA over indefinite detention, fought to end mandatory minimum drug sentences, and voted against my party’s official budget because it didn’t cut enough spending.

    I introduced a resolution against an unconstitutional war in Libya, and tried to repeal the authorization for the unconstitutional war before that in Iraq.

    I don’t believe any fair look at my record will show blind partisanship — or partisanship of any kind. I have worked with Senate Democrats on civil liberties, and the House Black Caucus on the drug war. I have fought alongside the ACLU on civil liberties, and at times, I have fought all by myself on federalism issues.

    I endorsed Governor Romney for many reasons, not the least of which is that we simply cannot afford four more years of President Obama. Obamacare, Dodd-Frank, an out-of-control EPA and NLRB, and trillion-dollar deficits are combining to strangle our economy. I am afraid if that chokehold is not released quickly, our country may quickly follow Europe into destruction. Anyone who doesn’t believe there is a difference between the two candidates on economic issues is simply not looking or not being honest with their assessments.

    Where I don’t know if there is as much of a difference as I would like is foreign policy.

    Let’s first be clear: President Obama was elected on a platform of ending wars, yet he has opposed every effort made by me and others in the Senate to do that. He opposed my resolution to end the Iraq War. He has refused my urgings to end the war in Afghanistan more quickly. He started another war in Libya, and this time went further into unconstitutional territory than previous presidents by not even seeking Congressional approval whatsoever.

    I opposed him when he did that. Anyone who believes President Obama is less aggressive internationally than his predecessors is mistaken.

    I do not yet know if I will find a Romney presidency more acceptable on foreign policy. But I do know that I must oppose the most recent statements made by Mitt Romney in which he says he, as president, could take us to war unilaterally with Iran, without any approval from Congress. His exact words were:

    I can assure you if I’m president, the Iranians will have no question but that I will be willing to take military action if necessary to prevent them from becoming a nuclear threat to the world. I don’t believe at this stage, therefore, if I’m president that we need to have a war powers approval or special authorization for military force. The president has that capacity now.

    This is a misreading of the role of the president and Congress in declaring war.

    The Constitution clearly states that it is Congress that has the power to declare war, not the president. The War Powers Act also clearly states that U.S. forces are to engage in hostilities only if the circumstances are “pursuant to (1) a declaration of war, (2) specific statutory authorization or (3) a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces.”

    Absent these criteria, the president has no authority to declare war.

    Even if the president believes he has such authority, the War Powers Act goes on to require the president to seek congressional approval within 60 days of conflict.

    No president is above the law or above the Constitution.

    Our Founding Fathers were quite concerned about giving the power to declare war to the executive. They were quite concerned that the executive could rule like a king.

    Before sending our young men and women into combat, we should have a mature and thoughtful debate over the ramifications, the authorization, and the motives of the war. James Madison wrote that the Constitution supposes what history demonstrates, that the executive is the branch most interested in war and most prone to it. The Constitution, therefore, with studied care vested that power in the legislature.

    I will hold accountable and oppose any actions from any president, Republican or Democrat, if he declares war without congressional consent.
    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...-sen-rand-paul
    Last edited by jct74; 06-19-2012 at 02:19 PM.



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    I have always done what I believe and I have never been blinded by party... I don’t believe any fair look at my record will show blind partisanship — or partisanship of any kind. - Rand Paul
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rand Paul
    We had a very good and I think honest discussion about a lot of these things and I came away from a feeling that he will be a very responsible commander-in-chief. I don't think he will be reckless, I don't think he will be rash.
    Last edited by jj-; 06-19-2012 at 02:52 PM.

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    Now that's the Rand Paul I like to see! That's the one I want continuing his work in the Senate and possibly, someday, running for president.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jj- View Post
    Yeah but having given Romney the benefit of the doubt, he can openly criticize without sour grapes. It shifts the focus on Romney, and his going astray.

    Anyway, it's good this made front page of National Review.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jj- View Post
    Don't you think he's in a better position to make that call than you?
    It's just an opinion... man...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jj- View Post
    We had a very good and I think honest discussion about a lot of these things and I came away from a feeling that he will be a very responsible commander-in-chief. I don't think he will be reckless, I don't think he will be rash.


    Now think of how this will be received by the general GOPer. Same article, with an endorsement, and same article, without an endorsement.

    Which is more effective at persuading them?
    Last edited by gerryb; 06-19-2012 at 03:07 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoOneButPaul View Post
    Don't you think he's in a better position to make that call than you?
    Somebody who denies Congress must declare a war before fighting already is an extremely irresponsible commander-in-chief.

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    Anyway, an excellent op-ed by the Senator from KY.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FSP-Rebel View Post
    Maybe the haters can step back from the cliff now.

    Maybe...but I'm sure Rand knew it would only be a matter of time before he would have to do this, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jj- View Post
    Somebody who denies Congress must declare a war before fighting already is an extremely irresponsible commander-in-chief.
    And yet, both Obama and romney are almost equally douchey on this topic. Obama is slightly worse because he has already created a war without any declaration. romney has only used rhetoric.



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    Quote Originally Posted by coastie View Post
    Maybe...but I'm sure Rand knew it would only be a matter of time before he would have to do this, lol.
    Exactly. Anyone who can't see that was part of the plan.. is not going to be politically effective without putting some training wheels on..

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    Quote Originally Posted by FSP-Rebel View Post
    Maybe the haters can step back from the cliff now.
    They'll claim they pressured Rand into doing the right thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    They'll claim they pressured Rand into doing the right thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    Neoconservative traitor!!!
    LOL.
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    I was fairly sure that the "endorsement" was no more than Rand's own personal green light to lambast Mittens at every turn. For four years if necessary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anaconda View Post
    I was fairly sure that the "endorsement" was no more than Rand's own personal green light to lambast Mittens at every turn. For four years if necessary.
    Funny how some people rush to judgement the way they did but didn't consider the potential upside of this "endorsement." Your point being over and above Rand using R-money, the radio mafia and the establishment drones to his advantage down the line.

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    Romney's response: "Lol so wut? You already endorsed me doofus!"
    In short, Rand's response means little if Romney doesn't really give a **** about his response and doesn't reply.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Athan View Post
    Romney's response: "Lol so wut? You already endorsed me doofus!"
    In short, Rand's response means little if Romney doesn't really give a **** about his response and doesn't reply.
    Are we trying to influence Romney... or someone else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athan View Post
    Romney's response: "Lol so wut? You already endorsed me doofus!"
    In short, Rand's response means little if Romney doesn't really give a **** about his response and doesn't reply.
    I don't know. I think Rand's in a better position to criticize Romney on war issues with an endorsement. It's all a matter of what strategy you think will work the best. There are arguments on both sides.

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    "Anyone who doesn’t believe there is a difference between the two candidates on economic issues is simply not looking or not being honest with their assessments."

    I agree with this. Romney is better than Obama on economic issues when he's promised to not raise taxes, to repeal Dodd Frank, repeal Obamacare, allow for additional oil drilling, etc.

    However, all of those good positions are canceled out by the fact that Romney wants to attack Iran without even getting Congressional approval. I simply won't compromise on that particular issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Traditional Conservative View Post
    However, all of those good positions are canceled out by the fact that Romney wants to attack Iran without even getting Congressional approval. I simply won't compromise on that particular issue.
    Purist. Did you know that you can vote for a candidate even if you disagree with him on some issues? Attacking Iran is just one issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sola_Fide View Post
    I don't know. I think Rand's in a better position to criticize Romney on war issues with an endorsement. It's all a matter of what strategy you think will work the best. There are arguments on both sides.
    Or, just maybe... Rand just gave Romney a valid excuse to pull off the greatest flipflop since George Bush's claim to not nationbuild...

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