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    Quote Originally Posted by IamVoting4RonPaul View Post

    Trever from http://thisnovember5th.com/ just phoned the FEC and spoke to them himself -- it is illegal for for foreigners to donate to US chipins...
    The FEC does not understand how independently we operate.
    The money never reaches Ron's HQ, not directly or indirectly.



  • #12

    Default What part of indirectly funding do you not understand?

    I'll make it easy for you:

    Not a US citizen? Don't have a "green card"?

    Do not donate to a US Chipin that uses its funds to promote the Ron Paul presidential campaign.

    It is illegal and has been confirmed with a phone call to the FEC.

    The title stands.

  • #13

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    Quote Originally Posted by IamVoting4RonPaul View Post
    The mainstream media would love to have something else to spin about Ron Paul.

    Go ahead man, break election laws, you're a freakin' legend and an asset to the campaign.
    If I'm breaking the law, turn me in. Save the campaign from my criminal misconduct. If you need my contact info, pm me. the fed can come by and sieze my property while trying to see if I "funneled" foriegn donations to the campaign via chipin.
    Which is illegal.
    What I did.. is collect money to run an ad. For myself. Get it?
    "The easy confidence with which I know another man's religion is folly teaches me to suspect that my own is also." ~ Mark Twain.
    Quote Originally Posted by reduen View Post
    Perfection is simply not obtainable... Thusly, I would rather contend with the inconveniences of too much liberty than contend with the inconveniences of not enough...
    I saw that the State was half-witted, that it was timid as a lone woman with her silver spoons, and that it did not know its friends from its foes, and I lost all remaining respect for it, and pitied it."
    --Henry David Thoreau

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indy Vidual View Post
    The FEC does not understand how independently we operate.
    The money never reaches Ron's HQ, not directly or indirectly.
    You explain it to the FEC -- until then -- it's illegal. I didn't say I agreed. I just don't want someone causing grief for Dr. Paul.

    When a Meetup group buys "Ron Paul for President" signs and puts them up, they are working indirectly with the campaign. Using foreign money to help buy those signs is illegal.

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    Also- foriegners can use Chipins that support the RON PAUL FORUMS. They can use chipins for a billboard being bought by Billy Bob in Kansas.... and then they can legally drop money into a chipin that helps Stacey in Alaska paint Ron Paul all over her car...etc.
    As long as the money donated does not ended up in the campaign... directly, or indirectly(meaning, i can't take their money and then donate it to the campaign as my own)
    "The easy confidence with which I know another man's religion is folly teaches me to suspect that my own is also." ~ Mark Twain.
    Quote Originally Posted by reduen View Post
    Perfection is simply not obtainable... Thusly, I would rather contend with the inconveniences of too much liberty than contend with the inconveniences of not enough...
    I saw that the State was half-witted, that it was timid as a lone woman with her silver spoons, and that it did not know its friends from its foes, and I lost all remaining respect for it, and pitied it."
    --Henry David Thoreau

  • #16

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    Quote Originally Posted by IamVoting4RonPaul View Post
    You explain it to the FEC -- until then -- it's illegal. I didn't say I agreed. I just don't want someone causing grief for Dr. Paul.

    When a Meetup group buys "Ron Paul for President" signs and puts them up, they are working indirectly with the campaign. Using foreign money to help buy those signs is illegal.
    You might be right.
    Thanks, for trying to help.
    We need to find out for certain (see below)


    Quote Originally Posted by IamVoting4RonPaul View Post
    I'll make it easy for you:

    Not a US citizen? Don't have a "green card"?

    Do not donate to a US Chipin that uses its funds to promote the Ron Paul presidential campaign.

    It is illegal and has been confirmed with a phone call to the FEC.

    The title stands.
    While you provide 'the simple version' let's take a closer look:

    "Monitoring Prohibited Contributions

    When a federal political committee (a committee active in federal elections) receives a contribution it believes may be from a foreign national, it must:..."


    This is written "about federal political committees" which are registered.
    We are independent individuals.
    Ron Paul supports the rights of independent individuals.

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    Maybe someone should ask the FEC very specific, detailed questions.[/B]
    Do you know exactly what was asked??
    Last edited by Indy Vidual; 11-16-2007 at 06:56 PM.

  • #17

    Default Hey, good luck to you man.

    Like I said, you're an asset to the campaign.

    Your ad is indirectly promoting the Ron Paul campaign and you took foreign money to place the ad. Good for you. Hope it gets a few more votes for RP. I also hope nobody finds out about it.

    You seem to know it all so why not just get on with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by torchbearer View Post
    Also- foriegners can use Chipins that support the RON PAUL FORUMS. They can use chipins for a billboard being bought by Billy Bob in Kansas.... and then they can legally drop money into a chipin that helps Stacey in Alaska paint Ron Paul all over her car...etc.
    As long as the money donated does not ended up in the campaign... directly, or indirectly(meaning, i can't take their money and then donate it to the campaign as my own)
    I hope this is correct, it's what I was trying to say.
    You spelled out the exact question which needs to be asked.
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    IamVoting4RonPaul: Do you know exactly what question was asked??

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    Quote Originally Posted by IamVoting4RonPaul View Post
    Like I said, you're an asset to the campaign.

    Your ad is indirectly promoting the Ron Paul campaign and you took foreign money to place the ad. Good for you. Hope it gets a few more votes for RP. I also hope nobody finds out about it.

    You seem to know it all so why not just get on with it.
    I don't know it all, but this isn't my first rodeo on the FEC tango line.
    Of course, I have an attorney that govern all decisions... if he doesn't throw up a flag... its ok.
    I believe your interpretation of "indirect contribution" is incorrect. My attorney states that you are incorrect. An indirect contribution is akin to money laundering. You have maxed out, so you give me money to donate. That is illegal. Its an indirect contribution. Now, if you give me money to run my own Ron Paul ad, that is perfectly legal.
    The same definitions apply to foreigners.
    "The easy confidence with which I know another man's religion is folly teaches me to suspect that my own is also." ~ Mark Twain.
    Quote Originally Posted by reduen View Post
    Perfection is simply not obtainable... Thusly, I would rather contend with the inconveniences of too much liberty than contend with the inconveniences of not enough...
    I saw that the State was half-witted, that it was timid as a lone woman with her silver spoons, and that it did not know its friends from its foes, and I lost all remaining respect for it, and pitied it."
    --Henry David Thoreau

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    torchbearer, your chasing away one of the few chicks we have here, relax..

    Hi Lisa, glad you could make it....
    http://freeme.tv get the latest in videos for Ron Paul around the net.

    Also check out the Ron Paul Newsroom

    Grassroots supporter and blogger, check it out!! http://www.politicallore.com/

    "Dont tax me. Bro!!"

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