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    Default Rand Paul files End the TSA bill and Passenger Bill of Rights bill

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0612/77475.html

    TSA critics have their champion: Sen. Rand Paul has dropped a pair of bills that would essentially end the agency as Americans know it.

    The Kentucky Republican introduced legislation that would gut the Transportation Security Administration’s government-operated screening program and establish a passenger bill of rights. One bill would require that the mostly federalized program be turned over to private screeners and allow airports — with Department of Homeland Security approval — to select companies to handle the work.

    The second bill would permit travelers to opt out of pat-downs and be rescreened, allow them to call a lawyer when detained, increase the role of dogs in explosive detection, let passengers “appropriately object to mistreatment,” allow children 12 years old and younger to avoid “unnecessary pat-downs” and require the distribution of the new rights at airports.
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    Can we have a few flights per day where no one is screened, and see if people still buy tickets for those planes?
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    Sounds like the work of a traitor to the Movement /s
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    More fake legislation from the globalist shill! /s

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    allow airports — with Department of Homeland Security approval — to select companies to handle the work.


    So it moves from a socialist approach to a fascist one. What's the point?
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    Looks like a mess to me. How about : the congress shall write no law abridging the freedom of individuals to travel within and out of the u.s.


    I pretty much don't care for the beat around the bush bullshit because it doesnt get down to the truth of the matter. We aren't cattle and the government needs to GTFO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Indy Vidual View Post
    Can we have a few flights per day where no one is screened, and see if people still buy tickets for those planes?
    I would if they were appropriately discounted to account for they cost the TSA adds to other flights.

    Government run security isn't cheap.

    I wonder if people would buy cheaper tickets on planes that were screened privately? Nah, no way.
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    What a fucking sellout lol.

    Love/hate relationship with this man, we have.

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    wE'RE ALL bORDERLINE pd ON rAND pAUL

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    .... distraction, or part of a bigger plan?
    It's just an opinion... man...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jj- View Post


    So it moves from a socialist approach to a fascist one. What's the point?


    How about passenger bill of rights #1:

    I have the right to travel if I buy a ticket. Period. No pat downs, screens, scans, or searches without a warrant.




    I'd accidentally punch the mother fucker.
    That's why I don't fly.





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    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    How about passenger bill of rights #1:

    I have the right to travel if I buy a ticket. Period. No pat downs, screens, scans, or searches without a warrant.
    see :

    "Congress shall pass no law to infringe upon the right of an individual to travel freely out of the u.s. and within the u.s."

    Unfortunately america has come to a pinnacle of tyranny and needs a bill of right to acknowledge the God given right to be free to walk about/fly about whichever you want to call it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Sounds like the work of a traitor to the Movement /s
    Jim DeMint is also against the TSA.

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    What, how can this be? Rand is supposed to be a "traitor," "a sellout," a "neo-con!!!" What is going on?????
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    Quote Originally Posted by Traditional Conservative View Post
    What, how can this be? Rand is supposed to be a "traitor," "a sellout," a "neo-con!!!" What is going on?????
    You're just being fooled. All lizard-men have this ability to fool vast numbers of people.

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    Supporters of Rand are high-fiving themselves for a bill that puts the DHS in charge of approving security agencies? That looks a lot like fascism to me, and these supporters are starting to look like a cult.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jj- View Post
    Supporters of Rand are high-fiving themselves for a bill that puts the DHS in charge of approving security agencies? That looks a lot like fascism to me, and these supporters are starting to look like a cult.
    It's a huge step in the right direction (abolishing the TSA). Also, the text of the bill has not been released yet so I'm willing to wait and read all the details myself before I can make an overall judgment on the bill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jj- View Post
    Supporters of Rand are high-fiving themselves for a bill that puts the DHS in charge of approving security agencies? That looks a lot like fascism to me, and these supporters are starting to look like a cult.
    How many votes do you think an "Abolish The DHS" would get right now? Why would you criticize Rand for us having this monstrosity called the DHS over us. He didn't put it there.

    You guys blow my mind. "Rand sucks because he doesn't sponsor an Abolish All Government Now Bill.". Snap into reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sola_Fide View Post
    How many votes do you think an "Abolish The DHS" would get right now? Why would you criticize Rand for us having this monstrosity called the DHS over us. He didn't put it there.
    The excuses are getting lamer and lamer. One does not need to abolish the DHS to not put them in control of airport security agencies.

    You guys blow my mind. "Rand sucks because he doesn't sponsor an Abolish All Government Now Bill.".
    Hilarious red herring.
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    I'm with Becky on this one.

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    Wow. Rather than “abolishing” the TSA, as Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) was promising to do just a few weeks ago, he’s now seeking to “privatize” it – not only a bait-and-switch but exactly the non-solution for which Rep[rehensible] John Mica (R-Fl) is crusading. One of the two bills Rand’s introduced “would require that the mostly federalized program be turned over to private screeners and allow airports — with Department of Homeland Security approval — to select companies to handle the work.” Whether it’s Mica’s or Rand’s proposal, both leave the Feds in charge of bungling security at airports. Yes, the deviants pawing you at checkpoints will receive their paychecks – which your taxes will continue to finance – from “private” companies, but the TSA (or, per Rand’s bill, its über-bureaucracy, the DHS) will dictate every move they make, from groping you to stealing your mouthwash.

    Some airports already sexually assault passengers under this “private-public partnership” (when foreign governments practice this arrangement, we call it “fascism”). San Francisco’s is one of them. If you’ve ever flown through there, you can testify that from the passenger’s standpoint, there’s absolutely no difference whether Uncle Sam or a “private” company taking detailed orders from Uncle Sam employs the deviant with his hands down your pants.

    No wonder the second bill Rand’s offering would “establish a passenger bill of rights.” Um, Rand? We already have a Bill of Rights; it's appended to the US Constitution, which never, ever even remotely allows the Feds to interfere with our travels in any way, let alone gate-rape us at airports. Indeed, its Fourth Amendment specifically prohibits “unreasonable search” – and believe me, the TSA’s searches are as unreasonable as they get. No other regime anywhere at any time, no matter how brutal or totalitarian, has sexually molested its citizenry as a condition of travel.

    Rand, no offense, but I’ll take that Bill of Rights over yours any day. Geez, guy, get with the program.
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    Repeal laws.............Don't write more!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucille View Post
    I'm with Becky on this one.

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    Yea that's kind of a stupid point... anyone who knows anything about the school of thought that Rand comes from knows that whenever he and Ron talk about abolishing something they are almost ALWAYS talking about privatizing it into the private sector so public tax dollars do not have to fund it.

    There are some exceptions, but even all the departments Ron was talking about getting rid of would have had parts absorbed into others...

    The Rand haters are really grasping for straws here... if there's any criticism to be made it's that the timing of this seems political.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoOneButPaul View Post
    Yea that's kind of a stupid point... anyone who knows anything about the school of thought that Rand comes from knows that whenever he and Ron talk about abolishing something they are almost ALWAYS talking about privatizing it into the private sector so public tax dollars do not have to fund it.

    There are some exceptions, but even all the departments Ron was talking about getting rid of would have had parts absorbed into others...

    The Rand haters are really grasping for straws here... if there's any criticism to be made it's that the timing of this seems political.
    There's privatizing, as in abolishing government involvement in the matter and leaving it to the market, and then there's "privatizing," which still leaves the government as the final arbiter. Worse, the government itself picks the companies that perform the services. Rand's is the latter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoOneButPaul View Post
    Yea that's kind of a stupid point... anyone who knows anything about the school of thought that Rand comes from knows that whenever he and Ron talk about abolishing something they are almost ALWAYS talking about privatizing it into the private sector so public tax dollars do not have to fund it.
    Having security agencies in private hands is fine. Subjecting them to having to get permits from the Department of Homeland Security is not. That's formal private ownership but government control. That's fascism.
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    I'm sure Rand is looking at the long term here... eventually the DHS would be abolished as well... it's all about building blocks.

    You guys CANNOT expect the world to change in your favor over night when the world has completely flipped on itself.

    You're asking for a .180 in less than 5 years... that's simply NOT going to happen.
    It's just an opinion... man...

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoOneButPaul View Post
    You're asking for a .180 in less than 5 years...
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoOneButPaul View Post
    I'm sure Rand is looking at the long term here... eventually the DHS would be abolished as well... it's all about building blocks.

    You guys CANNOT expect the world to change in your favor over night when the world has completely flipped on itself.

    You're asking for a .180 in less than 5 years... that's simply NOT going to happen.
    This isn't even a move in the right direction. Now, not only is big government calling the shots, it invited its friend, big business, to get in on the take.

    What we need is real privatization of security, but not phony privatization with the same TSA screeners in private security firm uniforms still operating under the "guidance" of the federal government. Real security will be achieved when the airlines are once again in charge of protecting their property and their passengers.
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    Has anyone read the bill?

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    This is from Rand's budget:

    Policy Proposal:

    Privatize the Transportation Security Administration

    Following the 9/11 attacks, the Transportation Safety Administration (TSA) has provided the majority of airport security screeners across the country. A number of airports however, (16 in a recent count) have replaced TSA screeners with private contractors. Kansas City International Airport was the first airport to use private screeners as opposed to the TSA. Kansas City Airport director Mark VanLoh said in an NPR article, “contract employees – are not federal employees; they’re not guaranteed a job for life. If they don’t meet performance goals, or maybe they’re consistently rude, or maybe they miss objects that go through the machine, they are terminated.”

    Concerning the use of private screeners, GAO has stated, “The private screening under federal supervision works and performs statistically significantly better, so our main purpose here is in getting better screening and better performance, not to mention that we can get better cost for the taxpayer.” A House Transportation Committee report found that private screeners were 65 percent more productive compared with their TSA counterparts, and that the government might save as much as $1 billion over five years in using private screeners in the country’s 35 largest airports.

    In addition, there are consistent reports of American citizens being abused by TSA agents. In April 2011 an 8-year-old boy was traveling with his family to Disneyland and was subjected to a full-body, invasive pat-down at a Portland,OR airport. Selena and Todd Drexel, from Kentucky were traveling with their three children, when the youngest, Anna was selected for a full body pat-down. Mrs. Drexel, Anna’s mother, requested that Anna be allowed to go back through the scanner and the agent refused to allow it. In the fall of 2011, two women in their 80s were traveling through New York’s Kennedy Airport and both were made to show screeners medical devices beneath their clothing,each were effectively strip-searched. Citizen’s constitutional rights are routinely violated and TSA remains unaccountable. Privatizing TSA begins the process to end these abuses
    Let me remind everyone that the text of his bills have not yet been released. All we know about the bill in regards to the TSA is the one sentence the Politico reporter placed in his article.





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