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"Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesn't want to hear.” -Ron Paul
"Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it." -Edward Snowden
I am still following this and I see it dying slowly. I dont mean this specific lawsuit. I mean this entire subject of rules breaking, laws breaking, rigging elections etc. If someone doesnt step up and organizes people they will walk away with it! Is there really not 1 single person who is motivated enough to do something substantial about it (just posting on Internet doesnt count)?
Richard failed. It was right thing to try but nothing is lost if people still want to pursue this.
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Yeah. I don't know if people are taking a break from it because there is no deadline like RNC coming up, or not. But getting rid of ballot access and subsidy barriers would do a lot to improve representativeness of government by increasing fear of competition, imho. I think it is worth it, and think they need to not get away with what they did or they are just encouraged to continue. I also think it might be a path to getting Rule 12 etc overturned as the passage of those votes was obviously shady and was the same vote that changed the rules so Ron's six states weren't enough to nominate him. I think it is the same lawsuit.
but I don't know how many will be as interested with the RNC not immediately ahead of us.
Last edited by sailingaway; 09-08-2012 at 11:23 AM.
"Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesn't want to hear.” -Ron Paul
"Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it." -Edward Snowden
"When a portion of wealth is transferred from the person who owns it—without his consent and without compensation, and whether by force or by fraud—to anyone who does not own it, then I say that property is violated; that an act of plunder is committed." - Bastiat : The Law
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"Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesn't want to hear.” -Ron Paul
"Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it." -Edward Snowden
there were no ballots at the RNC. It would be witness testimony and video evidence. I don't know if something will be done or not, but I think people are licking their wounds and taking a break right now. I think our people will turn their heads to what is most effective going forward, in time. But I don't know if there will be enough support for this particular avenue or not.
"Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesn't want to hear.” -Ron Paul
"Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it." -Edward Snowden
I am not talking about ballots at the (where does "the" goes...we dont have these stupid things in Croatia... useless piece of freaking stupid...) RNC. I am talking all paper evidence during entire elections. EVERYTHING. Collect everything....
By the way I simply can not understand how those 9 percints/trucks of votes could just disappear and no one even tried to find out what happened... What happened? That is first case and I would continue all the way to tampa. Every state everything....
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Well Maine already said they threw their paper vote tallies away right away.
But we HAVE a lot of evidence. While I agree Nevada etc could be very interesting if we had more, particularly given what it did to momentum, I think we have a strong case with what we have at conventions and caucuses. The question is whether the will and support is there to do something with it.
Last edited by sailingaway; 09-08-2012 at 01:12 PM.
"Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesn't want to hear.” -Ron Paul
"Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it." -Edward Snowden
No. There are evidence but we dont have them. No one collected video tapes, no one identified witnesses, no one collected testimonies and so on and so on... and as time passes by those people who got those things will be harder to find and it will take more money and resources...
Yes. There is a question whether the will and support is there to do something with it.
From what I see there is not... and I dont understand why. There is so many people talking what next? This should be "next"...
Not optimistic regarding this at all.
People can say anything they want about R.G. but he did at least tried something.
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Are you talking about the RNC? They have been taken over lock stock and barrel by the same people that have taken over the DNC. They also have taken over virtually all of the media, all of Congress, and control presidents like they are their personal puppets. Public schools are also under their control, it is how they ensure that they keep their power from generation to generation. And don't think that the courts will give you justice, they also control most judges, and the ones they don't control, they are not afraid of because appeals will just go to ones they do control.
Like Ron Paul says, education is our most potent weapon right now to take back control of our nation, without enough people that know the truth there is little chance anything will ever change.
we have been collecting video and names of those who could give testimony, we have a bunch we could get to in Oregon and Louisiana, and Oklahoma and Missouri. I am not concerned we won't be able to get enough evidence, though I agree preserving it is important and wish the evidence thread were growing. But I think there needs to be a project to get people involved, so it is circular.
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"Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it." -Edward Snowden
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@toujours61 @tweetAmiracle The Bus Drivers were paid cash by the armed security. The FBI needs to go up the ladder. It goes to the top
"We live in an age where things change rather rapidly, whether politically or economically and certainly in foreign policy things change, so this whole ball game can change rather rapidly.” ― Ron Paul
As this bus was driving around one would have to think that it came to a stop sign or stop light at some point in the area close to the convention center. Seems like once stopped, people could've forced the driver to open up the door to exit. just a thought
Yeah, I was wondering about the emergency exits on the bus. Maybe it was a van? But, even those usually have a back door that can be opened. If anything, why not place a 911 call and complain for kidnapping? At least the police would perhaps show up and file a report? Which, would hopefully get the vehicle stopped?
Is there any video of the incident yet?
"Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesn't want to hear.” -Ron Paul
"Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it." -Edward Snowden
Kidnapping: The crime of unlawfully seizing and carrying away a person by force or Fraud, or seizing and detaining a person against his or her will with an intent to carry that person away at a later time.
The law of kidnapping is difficult to define with precision because it varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. Most state and federal kidnapping statutes define the term kidnapping vaguely, and courts fill in the details.
Generally, kidnapping occurs when a person, without lawful authority, physically asports (i.e., moves) another person without that other person's consent, with the intent to use the abduction in connection with some other nefarious objective. Under the Model Penal Code (a set of exemplary criminal rules fashioned by the American Law Institute), kidnapping occurs when any person is unlawfully and non-consensually asported and held for certain purposes. These purposes include gaining a ransom or reward; facilitating the commission of a felony or a flight after the commission of a felony; terrorizing or inflicting bodily injury on the victim or a third person; and interfering with a governmental or political function (Model Penal Code § 212.1).
"We live in an age where things change rather rapidly, whether politically or economically and certainly in foreign policy things change, so this whole ball game can change rather rapidly.” ― Ron Paul
If I was on that bus, and kept up with this thread, Gilbert would be the last person I would go to. After seeing a couple of his videos, it is almost like he is going off on "text book conspiracy theory's", the ones that the MSM bring up to discredit the movement. Almost like he is trying to make himself fit in with the Ron Paul crowd, or he really does not know what is truly going on. I don't trust Gilbert, and I am someone who is into the information from Icke.
Considering the Reality Check on the front page, why aren't we going after both parties?
Does anyone know if the Dems have been pulling the same kind of things the RNC has this election cycle, other than the teleprompter stunt?
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that was kind of my thought. And go after ballot access and other barriers to competition by showing both major parties are corrupt and don't follow their own rules when the chips are down, and that the barriers combine to make it necessary as a practical matter to be in one of these corrupt parties to be elected.
But it would be a huge project.
"Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesn't want to hear.” -Ron Paul
"Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it." -Edward Snowden
OK what is alternative? I am willing to help.
Who will start moneybomb for lawsuit expenses?
Who will collect evidence?
Who will do something?
Who will do anything?
Apparently no one...
When all is said and done more is said than done.
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"Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it." -Edward Snowden
Did you all see this?
http://libertycrier.com/politics/app...-unimpressive/
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"Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesn't want to hear.” -Ron Paul
"Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it." -Edward Snowden
That's very damaging, I wouldn't pass it on except in here. Of course, no way could we possibly use him. Not sure if it's on Twitter etc. but it was in Libery Crier this AM.
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It's not all that damaging, imho. Attorneys lose cases. But the way he approached the last one decided not to do what the judge told him to do but go a different route in hopes of getting something by RNC which wouldn't have been as effective, even if we got it, as seating our delegates would have been, in my personal opinion, was a shame, I thought. however, he didn't feel we had time to fight that other case. He was working for free, so without actual evidence of culpability, I'm not going to trash him, but my thought was to hire a different attorney more versed in Federal court procedure, now that there is no deadline, and do it right, assuming we got the support for it.
Last edited by sailingaway; 09-10-2012 at 09:22 AM.
"Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesn't want to hear.” -Ron Paul
"Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it." -Edward Snowden
What about the firm who is working the OK delegates' case?
http://www.lawandfreedom.com/
They have done some cases at the federal level.
https://www.rutherford.org/
Since 1982, The Rutherford Institute has defended the constitutional rights of thousands of people. Many of these cases involved the defense of parents' and students' rights, free speech rights, and privacy rights. Most cases were settled out of court, some were fought in courtrooms across the country, and several were appealed all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court. No matter what legal question was involved or how much attention the case received, each case has been equally important. As John W. Whitehead, president of The Rutherford Institute, has said, "All freedoms hang together. To defend one constitutional freedom is to defend them all, and to defend one person's constitutional rights is to defend those rights for everyone."
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