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    Rand Paul Endorsement of Mitt Romney Proves He's a True Libertarian Leader




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    If anything, this partially answers the question people are having with the timing of the endorsement.

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    How I read the title: Rand Paul Endorsement of Mitt Romney Proves Mitt Romney is a True Libertarian Leader

    Which sounded like amusing sarcasm.

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    Didn't you know AnCaps are about destroying the machine, to hell with anyone trying to work in it...

    Except Ron for helping AnCaps collect frn's from suckers in the movement. You don't attack God in front of his congregation.
    Libertarians - trying to improve the world through ideas and free markets rather than legislation and prisons.

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    He endorsed on the last conservative national show the Thursday night before his state's convention.
    Oh, Rand.

    I agree, it did show leadership, maybe not in the way some would have hoped. But he followed through on his promises to support the nominee. Showed he can handle the messy and difficult decisions, even if unpopular.

    Also thought Ron's speech was particularly good in Texas--one of the very best of his career. It really should have buffered out any negativity from Rand's endorsement. Ron knows we are heading for some uncertain times. I watched the speech after watching Rand first, and it was very inspirational. Listen carefully about what Ron says in that speech.
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    Yea Rand endorced Mr. National I.D. Cards, Wants to double the size of the Guantanamo Bay detention camp, Thinks that cutting Federal Government spending by one Trillion dollars takes money out of the economy, Thinks its ok to force people at the state level to buy government approved health insurance, Torture, suppressing assault weapon ownership, indefinite detention of U.S. citizens, assassinating U.S. citizens, Bombing Iran without a declaration of war from Congress, Economic Protectionism, Forcing producers of computers to add a porn filter, The Feds "independence", Bank bailouts, building walls at our Mexican Border and much more.
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    @whippoorwill, endorsements don't necessarily mean you support absolutely everything a candidate does or believes in. In reality endorsements are used more like political capital. Remember when Rand endorsed Massie. Rand probably really did support Massie wholly on principle in this case, but politically speaking, what Rand was doing was putting his political capital and weight behind him. This is why Massie's win was also a win for Rand and increased his political power. It proved his endorsement had weight behind it, enough to get others elected, and would have been a blow to Rand if Massie had lost. If you noticed after Massie's win, hit pieces in the media started rolling in on Rand too...and this is why.

    And yea, it is kind of a sham that endorsements are used this way, but that's the reality of it. Politics is about power brokering. That's what Rand did-- he power brokered. Invested his own political capital in Romney, expecting a return in his own political stature...which he can then later use in investments of his own choosing. Like, I don't know, investing in the next Massie, or whoever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whippoorwill View Post
    Yea Rand endorced Mr. National I.D. Cards, Wants to double the size of the Guantanamo Bay detention camp, Thinks that cutting Federal Government spending by one Trillion dollars takes money out of the economy, Thinks its ok to force people at the state level to buy government approved health insurance, Torture, suppressing assault weapon ownership, indefinite detention of U.S. citizens, assassinating U.S. citizens, Bombing Iran without a declaration of war from Congress, Economic Protectionism, Forcing producers of computers to add a porn filter, The Feds "independence", Bank bailouts, building walls at our Mexican Border and much more.
    He would've endorsed anyone who was the Republican nominee



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    Quote Originally Posted by fearthereaperx View Post
    He would've endorsed anyone who was the Republican nominee
    Did I miss the convention?


    Regardless of if Mitt Romney will become the nominee..... he is NOT the nominee at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by July View Post
    @whippoorwill, endorsements don't necessarily mean you support absolutely everything a candidate does or believes in. In reality endorsements are used more like political capital. Remember when Rand endorsed Massie. Rand probably really did support Massie wholly on principle in this case, but politically speaking, what Rand was doing was putting his political capital and weight behind him. This is why Massie's win was also a win for Rand and increased his political power. It proved his endorsement had weight behind it, enough to get others elected, and would have been a blow to Rand if Massie had lost. If you noticed after Massie's win, hit pieces in the media started rolling in on Rand too...and this is why.

    And yea, it is kind of a sham that endorsements are used this way, but that's the reality of it. Politics is about power brokering. That's what Rand did-- he power brokered. Invested his own political capital in Romney, expecting a return in his own political stature...which he can then later use in investments of his own choosing. Like, I don't know, investing in the next Massie, or whoever.
    Ron didn't endorce McCain! Why? Principal! And to this point "don't necessarily mean you support absolutely everything a candidate does or believes in".....There is absolutely nothing he believes in that I can agree with.
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    Remember that you are an individual and should vote your conscience, as you see fit, no matter who endorses who or for what reason. You are not tied down or chained to anybody's endorsement. The system can't 'deliver' your vote because they don't own you. Free your mind of the very idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whippoorwill View Post
    Ron didn't endorce McCain! Why? Principal! And to this point "don't necessarily mean you support absolutely everything a candidate does or believes in".....There is absolutely nothing he believes in that I can agree with.
    And this is exactly why Ron has been powerless in Washington for the last 30 years, it may have created this movement, but this movement has been just as powerless, we haven't made any change really.

    We've only gained some leverage since we decided to retake the GOP. I despise the GOP more than any other organisation on this planet, and it certainly goes against my principles to even associate with them in the slightest, but it is a means to an end.

    So long as Rand and Ron vote with principle, I don't give a damn what tactics they use to make a real change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrysamere View Post
    And this is exactly why Ron has been powerless in Washington for the last 30 years,..we haven't made any change really.
    We got a Fed Audit! The first time in its history. We have taken over the Maine and Nevada State GOP...with more to come. Because of Principal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whippoorwill View Post
    We got a Fed Audit! The first time in its history. We have taken over the Maine and Nevada State GOP...with more to come. Becasue of Principal.
    Fed audit? good job! We already knew we were $#@!ed, we managed to find out a bit more about just how $#@!ed we are!

    And joining with the GOP is compromising, it has nothing to do with principle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whippoorwill View Post
    We got a Fed Audit! The first time in its history. We have taken over the Maine and Nevada State GOP...with more to come. Because of Principal.
    Yes, but we are compromising even by being in the GOP in the first place. It's a corrupted system. But you've got to start somewhere. I think what people aren't realizing is that we are really only at beginning of this movement, as it is really only just started to gain steam, in terms of real mainstream success. Ron Paul is responsible for that--he has managed to lift the whole vehicle off the ground, and now people like Rand can go in and start really moving things. I think that's what Ron meant about the "egg needing to hatch or it will rot" in his Texas speech.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahApocalypse View Post
    Did I miss the convention?


    Regardless of if Mitt Romney will become the nominee..... he is NOT the nominee at this point.
    depends on Ron's willingness to be nominated at the rnc.
    with no challengers left, a person can claim the prize.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whippoorwill View Post
    Ron didn't endorce McCain! Why? Principal! And to this point "don't necessarily mean you support absolutely everything a candidate does or believes in".....There is absolutely nothing he believes in that I can agree with.
    But Ron *DID* endorse Lamar Smith - so what was your point, again?
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      -- The Law (p. 54)
    • "Government is that great fiction, through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else."
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    Many may have wanted Rand Paul to publicly stand by his father until the national convention, but it is nice to know that he as a senator feels responsible to the people of his state above others. That is, after all, the role of a senator – to represent his state.
    Excellent article. And we would all do well to remember that Rand's priority is not to represent the movement, it is to represent the people of Kentucky.
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    One thing I haven't seen discussed is how Rand will generate funding should he decide to run for President in the future. His actions have pretty much guaranteed he won't get the kind of donations Ron has from the grassroots. What he did is declare the "Ron Paul 2012 Campaign" over. This goes directly against what Ron himself has said the strategy still is - to get delegates and go to the convention. If that is still Ron's goal (which I haven't heard him say otherwise, correct me if I'm wrong) he should not have endorsed Romney before his state's convention. He literally undermined not only the liberty movement, but also his own career and severely crippled any chance Ron had left of getting the nomination.

    He should have stayed out of it until the convention was over and then endorsed Romney. Some people still wouldn't like it, but at least he could have said that he was taking Romney at his word on auditing the Fed in exchange for his endorsement. The way he has handled it though has been a disaster and he will have a hard time getting the grassroots to volunteer for him after this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadOdorMachine View Post
    One thing I haven't seen discussed is how Rand will generate funding should he decide to run for President in the future. His actions have pretty much guaranteed he won't get the kind of donations Ron has from the grassroots. What he did is declare the "Ron Paul 2012 Campaign" over. This goes directly against what Ron himself has said the strategy still is - to get delegates and go to the convention. If that is still Ron's goal (which I haven't heard him say otherwise, correct me if I'm wrong) he should not have endorsed Romney before his state's convention. He literally undermined not only the liberty movement, but also his own career and severely crippled any chance Ron had left of getting the nomination.

    Listen to the Peter Schiff interview. Ron and Rand are working together for the good of the liberty movement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sola_Fide View Post
    Listen to the Peter Schiff interview. Ron and Rand are working together for the good of the liberty movement.
    So is this part of the secret delegate strategy to get Ron elected?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    But Ron *DID* endorse Lamar Smith - so what was your point, again?
    Lamar Smith vs Mitt Romney. One a pissant congressman, the other with the possibility of being in command of the Military, and being able to kill americans if he wakes up with a bad hair day. Yeah, great comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JK/SEA View Post
    Lamar Smith vs Mitt Romney. One a pissant congressman, the other with the possibility of being in command of the Military, and being able to kill americans if he wakes up with a bad hair day. Yeah, great comparison.
    It IS a great comparison. The principle is EXACTLY the same. If you think that Rand is a "traitor" for endorsing Romney, you must also conclude that Ron is a "traitor" for endorsing Smith - otherwise you are just indulging in emotion-driven "hissy-fit" hypocrisy.
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    • "When law and morality are in contradiction to each other, the citizen finds himself in the cruel alternative of either losing his moral sense, or of losing his respect for the law."
      -- The Law (p. 54)
    • "Government is that great fiction, through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else."
      -- Government (p. 99)
    • "[W]ar is always begun in the interest of the few, and at the expense of the many."
      -- Economic Sophisms - Second Series (p. 312)
    • "There are two principles that can never be reconciled - Liberty and Constraint."
      -- Harmonies of Political Economy - Book One (p. 447)

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    I don't know, he might be losing some purists right now, but if we end up with another 4 years of born again neocon Obama, and Rand keeps on hitting hard on issues like domestic drones, industrial hemp, etc...then he is going to continue to pull a lot of support, and maybe even some cross over too. Earlier I predicted he would lose some of the indy and blue republican support if he were to run in 2016, but I'm not so sure now. Time will tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yieu View Post
    So is this part of the secret delegate strategy to get Ron elected?
    2012 secret delegate strategy = 2008 secret billionaire

    Get real, people.
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    - John Adams, July 3, 1776

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    Quote Originally Posted by July View Post
    Yes, but we are compromising even by being in the GOP in the first place. It's a corrupted system. But you've got to start somewhere. I think what people aren't realizing is that we are really only at beginning of this movement, as it is really only just started to gain steam, in terms of real mainstream success. Ron Paul is responsible for that--he has managed to lift the whole vehicle off the ground, and now people like Rand can go in and start really moving things. I think that's what Ron meant about the "egg needing to hatch or it will rot" in his Texas speech.
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    The endorsement made my stomach hurt no doubt....but anybody who can't see the upside to what rand has done is most likely being thick headed and letting emotion control them. Personally I wouldn't have done it...but then I will never be in a position to fillabuster things like the patriot act and sopa. I will certainly never be in position to become presidedent.
    "The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles." —Jeff Cooper

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    What upside was there to Ron's endorsement of GOP scum in Texas? They redistricted him out of a House seat. I assume Rand's "upside" will be similar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadOdorMachine View Post
    One thing I haven't seen discussed is how Rand will generate funding should he decide to run for President in the future. His actions have pretty much guaranteed he won't get the kind of donations Ron has from the grassroots. What he did is declare the "Ron Paul 2012 Campaign" over. This goes directly against what Ron himself has said the strategy still is - to get delegates and go to the convention. If that is still Ron's goal (which I haven't heard him say otherwise, correct me if I'm wrong) he should not have endorsed Romney before his state's convention. He literally undermined not only the liberty movement, but also his own career and severely crippled any chance Ron had left of getting the nomination.

    He should have stayed out of it until the convention was over and then endorsed Romney. Some people still wouldn't like it, but at least he could have said that he was taking Romney at his word on auditing the Fed in exchange for his endorsement. The way he has handled it though has been a disaster and he will have a hard time getting the grassroots to volunteer for him after this.
    Rand will keep 50%+ of his fathers activist base and the majority of his voters. Rand will also gain financial support locally and among tea party type voters. If excitement builds behind the campaign and Rand emerges an early fron runner ..funding will not be a problem. Alot of ifs but still a likely scenario. Im not saying I support him at this moment but he has a chance to earn it on the senate floor.

    I hope we make it to 2016 to find out.
    "The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles." —Jeff Cooper

    Out of suffering have emerged the strongest souls; the most massive characters are seared with scars.

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