Okay, let's start over then. Who DO you believe is fighting Assad and why do you believe this is taking so long? Assad is sitting on some pretty heavy artillery as I am sure you know. Is he incapable of handling this "crisis" himself? What is he waiting for? As for your friends and family, perhaps I have not been hanging around the right people. Maybe the Afghans and Serbians I know are slightly biased......
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No shit JFKIII. Hopefully he is asking his "friends" to be honest with him next time.
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Serbs?I know Bosnians, I'm sure they're biased too. I take what most people say with a grain of salt but I happen to be from this region in particular so I understand the politics and the opinions of the Arabs.
The people fighting Assad are in many categories. If you saw the situation in Iraq, there were actually many faction, for example the Islamic Army in Iraq which was a nationalist group so their name was a bit of a misnomer, if they're juxtaposed with say Ansar al Mujahideen who were an Islamic group who worked with non-Iraqis for the goal of the establishment of an Islamic state, they are quite different ideologically and these two sides skirmished, there were kurds vying for a Kurdish state, and there were the Shia both nationalist Iraqis and foreign elements probably funded by Iran, noteably, Jaysh al Mehdi, under the leadership of a very influencial figure in Iraq and Iran named Muqtada al Sadr.
Not to get off topic but these are the types of nuances you get with middle eastern politics, I'm sure there are Ba'athists fighting Assad who are seculars, and I'm sure there are Islamists, along with general nationalists, maybe even foreigners, there were tons of Saudis in Iraq, Arabs tend to want to help Arabs borders don't mean much.
The only time I've heard Americans or Israelis stirring up trouble is directly from the mouths of state media, Russian media echos these claims, they're strategic allies so it's in Russias interests that Iran and Syria remain stable. But ask yourself why are you listening to state media's reports as opposed to the direct words of the FSA (Free Syrian Army) who have many hubs for information regarding the conflict in English, many of the people in the Free Syrian Army are ex Military who had defected. I can show you many videos to testify to this, many show their personnel ID.
Basically look at the atrocities of the Assad regime, and the previous regime, and things start to add up. Add to that a pathetically poor country where police officers ask you for bribes of 50 Lira which is like one dollar every time the stop you, and it begins to add up that people might want to revolt given the opportunity.
YES, I do think outside forces will and are trying to change the process, the Arab leauge would want a new regime to reflect their ideals, Iran would like to help the current regime, however to say that it's being destabilized on purpose and all this killing is the hands of outsiders is ridiculous and against overwhelming evidence otherwise. Besides, it's not like these regimes falling are favorable to the USA or Israel. The best example is Hosni Mubarak, the dude was a total puppet of America. The Muslim brotherhood is SO moderate compared to other groups yet they were imprisoned en masse, every single one of these dictators ALSO fought against Americas enemies like Al Qaeda, Egypt did, Libya did, Syria does, Tunisia definitely did. Tunisia was so secular it banned Islamic clothing... they're 98% Muslim.
My point being that, the greatest threat to Israel is Islamic groups, most people can agree on that. So Mubarak, so Assad (a Ba'athist), So Gaddafi, all were favorable to atleast Israels preservation.
That's my take, sorry for the long post.
Don't believe in his world view == troll. That's a cop out. "I can't answer his/her claims, therefore troll"
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Sounds to me that you have many friends. I do not ask myself why I listen to state media reports because I listen to no such things. You do not know where I get my information so do not assume that which you do not know. Your statement "The only time I've heard Americans or Israelis stirring up trouble is directly from the mouths of state media, Russian media echos these claims, they're strategic allies so it's in Russia's interests that Iran and Syria remain stable" is a very interesting one to me. You claim to know Russian media? Would that be state-run Russian media? Who is Russia echoing the claims of? It is in the entire world's interests that nations such as Syria and Iran remain stable. This is not about arms sales or pissing in the face of the Western forces. It is not even about the "regimes" themselves. I use the word "regimes" since that is understood by the Western world as "the other administrations." This is about tyranny and the willingness of Western powers to inflict WWIII on the world out of pure greed and the delusional feelings of nobility it gains due to a warped sense of divine providence and scriptural irrelevance.
P.S. I believe in JFKIII's world view already. Damn state-run media, question is which state? You do not know. That is too bad.
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Ok, for example RussiaToday which I've seen on many occasions cite Syrian officials without challenge to their claims. The reason is clear and evident.
By the way, when I say things like "But ask yourself why are you listening to state media's reports as opposed to the direct words of the FSA"; I don't mean to say you're literally turning on state TV and listening to it I mean you're agreeing with state run TV like RT, and like Syrian TV, Syria for examples blames the US and Israel, like Gaddafi did, and they usually say it's Al Qaeda too, they grasp at straws to explain why the peasants are revolting.
If your world view is that of the "global elite" which believe it or not I'm not entirely opposed to, then obviously you will disagree with my perception of Syria, because it simply does not accommodate this view. I also don't believe there's a serious want for all out war with Iran and Iran's allies because as I've said in previous posts, Iran tends to play ball with the west behind the facade of "Death to America/Israel", citing their involvement with the israeli government under Ayatollah Ruhollah khomeini.
I believe the real super-power in the world is Israel, and I believe zionist jews hold disproportionately the worlds wealth. I believe Israels goal aside from material gains, is the preservation of their state, which would require at all costs the quelling of Islamist groups, therefore the Assads and the Mubaraks and the Kings have all been quite helpful to Israel.
Anyway I see a lot of conjecture in regard to this topic. I don't see proof. I gave my main points on this, which I feel you brushed over and ignored, not wanting to engage in any real discourse and instead decided to harp on Russian Media and your "sources"if you want a real geopolitical discussion I'm happy to give my input but back and forth biased worldview isn't really appropriate. The only reason I chime in here is because it hits close to home and when I see people giving a pass to the Regime as they kill children it does bother me.
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Why do you see this as an "either/or"? I'm sure there were people legitimately angry at Khaddafi. That doesn't change the fact that at least one Libya rebel commander bragged about being Al Qaeda and sending soldiers to Iraq to kill Americans.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...eda-links.html
Syrians "fed up with Assad murdering children" and then setting off suicide bombs that kill children doesn't make sense.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...omb-kills-nine
But hey, eventually it comes full circle right? Now Al Qaeda is staging attacks against U.S. interests in Libya. Go figure?
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Mid...#axzz1xVUrcndI
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If someone starts blowing up cars in the U.S. killing innocent civilians and does so in the name of "liberty" I will most certainly suspect that person of being a plant and not truly part of the liberty movement. Wouldn't you?
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