December 15th is the 216th anniversary of the BILL of RIGHTS!

[JTCoyoté]

The ratification of the organic Constitution, the final ratification of the document was contingent on the adoption of a list of federal prohibitions... The Constitution of 1787 was temporarily ratified with a proviso which gave the states the right to opt-out if this list of provisions was not made part and parcel of the 1787 document in a timely fashion...

This Convention lasted over 4 years and gave birth to the Federalist and Anti-Federalist papers among others... The bottom line was that the list of prohibitions was against government encroachment and had to be made part and parcel of the original 1787 document, or several states would not ratify!

This complete part and parcel document is called "The Constitution and Bill of Rights for the United States of America" it was Ratified in Convention on December 15th, 1791!

My point here is that, "Bill of Rights Day", December 15th, is on Saturday this year and the "Ron Paul Tea Party" commemorating the Boston Tea Party, is on Sunday the 16th... I'm suggesting, a 30 million dollar RON PAUL 15th-16th weekend in December...

The globalists are "alright" with, and celebrate the 1787 Constitution, it was commemorated as Constitution Day on the 200th anniversary in 1987... However... the Globalists hate the BILL of RIGHTS!!!

--Oldyoti

"The most important element of a free society, where individual rights are held in the highest esteem, is the rejection of the initiation of violence." ~Ron Paul

[Wayne Hammond]

My point here is that, "Bill of Rights Day", December 15th is on Saturday this year and the "Ron Paul Tea Party" commemorating the Boston Tea Party, is on Sunday the 16th... I'm suggesting here, a 30 million dollar RON PAUL 15th-16th weekend in December... ][/size]
--Oldyoti

Sigh...

Please see www.weekendofliberty.com

The 16th of December is the FUNDRAISING DAY (www.TeaParty07.com)

The 15th of December is the grassroots effort to get the word out through meetings, signs, rallies, etc. (www.rightsrally07.com)

The goal is to have everyone donate on the 16th, in order to break the all-time fundraising efforts in one 24-hour period. We can't do that if everyone splits up their donation between those two days - if that happens, we will break no records, and the press will ignore the entire weekend, for the most part.

Get out there on foot and create awareness on Saturday, Dec. 15th... then...

Donate at www.RonPaul2008.com on Sunday, Dec. 16th (beginning at 12:01 AM (midnight), Eastern Time).

That's the plan. You can do whatever you please, but you won't be helping to meet the $10 million Dec. 16 goal if you try to tell people to donate on the 15th, instead of the 16th.

And no, we cannot do both. It's completely unrealistic and no one who is serious about this campaign and has thought through the actual facts and numbers believes anything other than what I have just posted.

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[JTCoyoté]

Sigh...

Please see www.weekendofliberty.com

The 16th of December is the FUNDRAISING DAY (www.TeaParty07.com)

The 15th of December is the grassroots effort to get the word out through meetings, signs, rallies, etc. (www.rightsrally07.com)

The goal is to have everyone donate on the 16th, in order to break the all-time fundraising efforts in one 24-hour period. We can't do that if everyone splits up their donation between those two days - if that happens, we will break no records, and the press will ignore the entire weekend, for the most part.

Get out there on foot and create awareness on Saturday, Dec. 15th... then...

Donate at www.RonPaul2008.com on Sunday, Dec. 16th (beginning at 12:01 AM (midnight), Eastern Time).

That's the plan. You can do whatever you please, but you won't be helping to meet the $10 million Dec. 16 goal if you try to tell people to donate on the 15th, instead of the 16th.

And no, we cannot do both. It's completely unrealistic and no one who is serious about this campaign and has thought through the actual facts and numbers believes anything other than what I have just posted.

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The condescending sigh is unnecessary, Wayne...

I merely suggested a 30 Million Dollar weekend... and made no statement that would denigrate the effort on the 16th, nor did I say that anyone should donate on the 15th... I seek only to raise awareness of what the 15th of December represents... Namely, the birth of the Bill of Rights.

Therefore, your assumptious extrapolations of what I said... are dead wrong! Yet you use negatives through-out your demonizing rant ... your operative word is "cannot" and your over the top arrogant statements, are "limiting" in their scope...

"That's the plan. You can do whatever you please, but you won't be helping to meet the $10 million Dec. 16 goal if you try to tell people to donate on the 15th, instead of the 16th.

And no, we cannot do both. It's completely unrealistic and no one who is serious about this campaign and has thought through the actual facts and numbers believes anything other than what I have just posted."...

We have just over 6000 members on this board... I moderate a board with close to that... which also has a radio show that reaches 2.5 million people every day... much of the support you are getting here for this campaign comes due to that show I might add...

Expansion of "realistic" ideas due to communication, increases exponentially with each person reached with a "positive message"... as distinct from your constrained and negative retort here with it's "Mathusian" like "realism"... IMHO.

--Oldyoti

"The moral and constitutional obligations of our representatives in Washington are to protect our liberty, not coddle the world, precipitating no-win wars, while bringing bankruptcy and economic turmoil to our people." ~Ron Paul

[Wayne Hammond]

The condescending sigh is unnecessary, Wayne...
I merely suggested a 30 Million Dollar weekend... and made no statement that would denigrate the effort on the 16th, nor did I say that anyone should donate on the 15th...

Uh, yeah you did... here:

... I'm suggesting, a 30 million dollar RON PAUL 15th-16th weekend in December...

If you didn't intend to write that, then maybe you ought to preview your posts prior to posting them, and make them a bit more clear. The fact is that you are promoting a two-day fundraising effort; otherwise why wouldn't you say "I'm suggesting a 30 million dollar RON PAUL one day goal", instead of a "a 30 million dollar RON PAUL 15-16th weekend"?

The reason I responded to your post was because we have had hundreds of posts on this exact same subject, attacking the concept of a one-day fundraiser. It's already been decided by consensus. End of story.

Therefore, your assumptious extrapolations of what I said... are dead wrong! Yet you use negatives through-out your demonizing rant ... your operative word is "cannot" and your over the top arrogant statements, are "limiting" in their scope...

I stand by that. We cannot do both. If you attempt to promote a two-day fundraiser, you're going against everything that the consensus has established here. And that is exactly what you seem to be promoting, by stating that doing a one-day fundraiser is "limiting" in it's scope. NO, it is not limiting - we might very well raise much more than $10 million in one day, but not if people like you continue to make veiled attempts to attack Trevor's decisions, promoting your own agenda, and diluting the concept of a one-day fundraiser.

We have just over 6000 members on this board... I moderate a board with close to that... which also has a radio show that reaches 2.5 million people every day... much of the support you are getting here for this campaign comes due to that show I might add...

You said this, and claim that I'm the one who is "arrogant"? I guess that $4.2 million came from your efforts, whoever the heck you are?! Yeah, right.

Newflash for 'ya, there, buddy-boy - you're just not that important, and neither am I - It's about making a historical one-day fundraising event for our man, Ron Paul.

I say that in love, of course.

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[JTCoyoté]

Uh, yeah you did... here:


If you didn't intend to write that, then maybe you ought to preview your posts prior to posting them, and make them a bit more clear. The fact is that you are promoting a two-day fundraising effort; otherwise why wouldn't you say "I'm suggesting a 30 million dollar RON PAUL one day goal", instead of a "a 30 million dollar RON PAUL 15-16th weekend"?

The reason I responded to your post was because we have had hundreds of posts on this exact same subject, attacking the concept of a one-day fundraiser. It's already been decided by consensus. End of story.



I stand by that. We cannot do both. If you attempt to promote a two-day fundraiser, you're going against everything that the consensus has established here. And that is exactly what you seem to be promoting, by stating that doing a one-day fundraiser is "limiting" in it's scope. NO, it is not limiting - we might very well raise much more than $10 million in one day, but not if people like you continue to make veiled attempts to attack Trevor's decisions, promoting your own agenda, and diluting the concept of a one-day fundraiser.



You said this, and claim that I'm the one who is "arrogant"? I guess that $4.2 million came from your efforts, whoever the heck you are?! Yeah, right.

Newflash for 'ya, there, buddy-boy - you're just not that important, and neither am I - It's about making a historical one-day fundraising event for our man, Ron Paul.

I say that in love, of course.

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Your juvenile attempt at saving face here is of course futile... a waste of your time, and only proves everything I said previously is true... Anyone who can read knows that you are making a mountain out of a mole hill on this... Also, you seem quite fascistic about when I or anyone else can or cannot contribute... and FYI each voice, each individual contributor "FOR" Dr. Paul IS important... even you... You should tape "EACH IS IMPORTANT" to your mirror when you brush your teeth in the morning...

Not only are you arrogant but totally disrespectful from the outset, from your very first condescension... and IMO, it seems that the love you speak of when taken in context... is love-of-self... your stock-in trade here I'm sure...

--Oldyoti

"A system of capitalism presumes sound money, not fiat money manipulated by a central bank. Capitalism cherishes voluntary contracts and interest rates that are determined by savings, not credit creation by a central bank." ~Ron Paul

[jonathanwebb]

Your juvenile attempt at saving face here is of course futile... a waste of your time, and only proves everything I said previously is true...

Not only are you arrogant but totally disrespectful from the outset, from your very first condescension... and IMO, love-of-self it seems, is your stock-in trade here...

WTF? JTCoyote, you lie about what you said (trying to back-pedal, giving the impression that you didn't really mean what you wrote), and when someone points that out and you call them arrogant, disrespectful and condescending.

I agree with Wayne. You tried to promote a two-day event. you can't deny what you posted. That's the way I took it and probably most people here.

You also sound like a snob in your attitude. This effort at Dec 16 is getting done because We The People are doing it, not your petty little forum.

[jonathanwebb]

BTW, JTCoyote, editing your post to change the facts and make you seem more reasonable does not help your efforts.

[KirkOlson]

Not to mention it's my birthday!

I'm from the Netherlands, Europe. I have no right whatsoever to mind in your business, hey that's why I became a libertarian in the first place. But please America, make this revolution possible. I'm not even talking about winning, but please make it easier for libertarians around the world to stand up and say "Hey you may think I'm crazy but was Ron Paul crazy?". We're so jealous of you, at least you have a serious candiate to vote for, it's all socialists here. Make it happen, if not you who? If not now, when?

I'm an atheist, I'm pro-choice in the first trimester, I have my reservations about everybody carrying guns.

I'm all for Ron Paul anyway. Because I know he'll respect these opinions and won't try to use government money (that is: your and my money) to enforce his own opinions on these cases on me. If only we had someone like that in Europe.

[JTCoyoté]

BTW, JTCoyote, editing your post to change the facts and make you seem more reasonable does not help your efforts.

jonnie-webb

I will give your brown-nosing opinion all the consideration it is due...

"When we are planning for posterity, we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary."
-- Thomas Paine

[JTCoyoté]

Not to mention it's my birthday!

I'm from the Netherlands, Europe. I have no right whatsoever to mind in your business, hey that's why I became a libertarian in the first place. But please America, make this revolution possible. I'm not even talking about winning, but please make it easier for libertarians around the world to stand up and say "Hey you may think I'm crazy but was Ron Paul crazy?". We're so jealous of you, at least you have a serious candiate to vote for, it's all socialists here. Make it happen, if not you who? If not now, when?

I'm an atheist, I'm pro-choice in the first trimester, I have my reservations about everybody carrying guns.

I'm all for Ron Paul anyway. Because I know he'll respect these opinions and won't try to use government money (that is: your and my money) to enforce his own opinions on these cases on me. If only we had someone like that in Europe.

Hey Kirk,

You are right in the belly of the beast, so to speak, there in the land north of Brussels... in any case, happy birthday and welcome!

If the power isn't within the scope of government as spelled out in the Constitution, chapter and verse, the reinstitution of the Constitutional process will begin to remove it from the federal purview. This will be done by Dr. Paul and his administration. They start the replacement of the power back into the realm of the states and/or to the people where it belongs.

All of the programs that have caused division here in The States are a direct result of the slow encroachment over the last hundred years or so, of the European socialist/fascist - Liberal/conservative - left/right paradigm that spawned all of the "isms" that produced the wars of Europe from the Franco-Prussian war up through the "reconstruction purges" after WWII.

This influence began to take hold here as well, in earnest though more slowly from about the 1890's and it has been a battle to maintain even a shadow of true Americana ever since.

Everyone here does not carry firearms, but all have the right to own them, keep them, and to use them... and a majority do... It is for this reason that the world/socialists haven't succeeded here completely as of yet, but lord knows they are trying like the devil to succeed... Ron Paul and all of the true American People, will make sure they don't succeed!

Again... Welcome.

JTCoyoté

"Our task of creating a Socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed." -- Sarah Brady

[KirkOlson]

Everyone here does not carry firearms, but all have the right to own them, keep them, and to use them... and a majority do... It is for this reason that the world/socialists haven't succeeded here completely as of yet, but lord knows they are trying like the devil to succeed... Ron Paul and all of the true American People, will make sure they don't succeed!

Again... Welcome.

Thank you, happy to be here.

I understand your point about the right to carry firearms very well and I must admit I'm starting ro rethink my own opinion on this matter. Being a libertarian, even leaning towards anarcho-capitalism, at least academically, I understand the right to protect ourselves, and not leave this responsibility to a failing government, is of the utmost importance. It's just that we have a lot of problems with juvenile (mostly Morocan) criminals in our cities right now. I'd hate to see them being able to pick up guns at the local supermarket. Ofcourse I realize I would be able to do the same to protect myself but somehow I'm afraid this situation would end up in a rise of the number of shootouts in the streets. It's something I have not reached a final conclusion on yet although I have to say the problem with these Morocan youngsters was created in the first place by our 'come-on-in-everybody' immigration laws.

[yaz]

I wish we would only donate on the 16th, it looks better.

[JTCoyoté]

Thank you, happy to be here.

I understand your point about the right to carry firearms very well and I must admit I'm starting ro rethink my own opinion on this matter. Being a libertarian, even leaning towards anarcho-capitalism, at least academically, I understand the right to protect ourselves, and not leave this responsibility to a failing government, is of the utmost importance. It's just that we have a lot of problems with juvenile (mostly Morocan) criminals in our cities right now. I'd hate to see them being able to pick up guns at the local supermarket. Ofcourse I realize I would be able to do the same to protect myself but somehow I'm afraid this situation would end up in a rise of the number of shootouts in the streets. It's something I have not reached a final conclusion on yet although I have to say the problem with these Morocan youngsters was created in the first place by our 'come-on-in-everybody' immigration laws.

The governments of the first world, turn a blind eye to the illegals crossing their borders, all while they crack down on the freedoms of the law abiding people in the name of security in the "War on Terror"... the "third world gangs", we have them here as well, are the "Neo-Brown Shirts". Their antics and lawlessness will be the impetous that will be used by the first world governments to get draconian ... dare I say Hitlerian laws passed...

Adhering to the natural law of necessity that the people have the right to arms, is the sign of a government that truly respects the people, and hold to the will of it's people.

As Ben Franklin stated, "Those who would trade Liberty for security will have neither."

--Oldyoti

"Justifying conscription to promote the cause of liberty is one of the most bizarre notions ever conceived by man! Forced servitude, with the risk of death and serious injury as a price to live free, makes no sense." ~Ron Paul

[BrianH]

My point here is that, "Bill of Rights Day", December 15th, is on Saturday this year and the "Ron Paul Tea Party" commemorating the Boston Tea Party, is on Sunday the 16th... I'm suggesting, a 30 million dollar RON PAUL 15th-16th weekend in December...

The globalists are "alright" with, and celebrate the 1787 Constitution, it was commemorated as Constitution Day on the 200th anniversary in 1987... However... the Globalists hate the BILL of RIGHTS!!!

--Oldyoti

"The most important element of a free society, where individual rights are held in the highest esteem, is the rejection of the initiation of violence." ~Ron Paul

I have just submitted a proposal to our meetup to book the town square for a major event on Saturday December 15th. It's oK to celebrate history, but need to really connect it to the present--- this is a MAJOR SHOPPING DAY - we need to make a fun filled family day to celebrate small family farms and small rural businesses. We're going to latch on to our farmers weekly saturday market and extend it to an afternoon craft market as well. This is an indoor event just near our town square.

Outside we'll have fun activities. A treasure hunt to stake lollipop sticks in the grass to locate the liberty dollar. Pony rides, tractors, huge Ron Paul signs, decorate your antique vehicle competitions with Liberty and Ron Paul themes. A series of speaker in the bandstand will focus on how Ron Paul will help small rural businesses and farms

And make sure we everyone gets slim jims on every car and in every hand. A really fun and festive day for all the family and way to draw people in. Not make it a political rally but a festival of celebration of rural life, and they will all want to come and join the fun and shop and eat and hear music. And learn what Dr Paul can do for them.

I am posting to inspire other meetups to be very creative for that day. But you need to apply now to book a large public space.