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    Default Police Stop, Handcuff Every Adult at Intersection in Search for Bank Robber

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headline...r-bank-robber/

    "“Once officers got to his car, they found evidence that he was who they were looking for,” Fania said. “When they searched the car, they found two loaded firearms.”

    The actions of the police have been met with some criticism, but Fania said this was a unique situation that required an unusual response.

    “It’s hard to say what normal is in a situation like this when you haven’t dealt with a situation like this,” Fania said. “The result of the whole ordeal is that it paid off. We have arrested and charged a suspect.”

    The other people who had been held at the intersection were allowed to leave once the suspect was apprehended."


    A "unique situation"? There will probably be a lot more "unique situations" popping up as the police state grows.
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    Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.


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    The search lasted between an hour and a half and two hours, and it wasn’t until the final car was searched that police apprehended the suspect.
    I guess that's a ray of sunshine. They didn't keep detaining people after they actually found a real criminal.

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    First I would have refused. Then when they forced me I would own the city after my false imprisonment lawsuit.

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    “Most of the adults were handcuffed, then were told what was going on and were asked for permission to search the car,” Fania said. “They all granted permission, and once nothing was found in their cars, they were un-handcuffed.”
    I wonder how far the police would have "felt it necessary" to escalate the situation if one of the innocent people had exercised their right to not allow a search to occur without a warrant?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yieu View Post
    I wonder how far the police would have "felt it necessary" to escalate the situation if one of the innocent people had exercised their right to not allow a search to occur without a warrant?
    Warrants? Those are outdated now. They don't need no stinkin' warrants anymore.

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    The local story is worse, due to including more details.

    http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news...37/detail.html

    Aurora police stopped dozens of cars and pulled out their drivers at gunpoint looking for a bank robbery suspect Saturday afternoon.
    I don't want to endure having a gun pointed at me for standing up for my rights, or for simply being in a particular location. You only point a gun at someone you intend to use it on. To point a gun at someone you do NOT intend to use it on is the greatest insult to them and it literally threatens them with death. It's not some cute little "protocol" that you just do. You don't point a gun at someone like that. Everyone who grew up in a rural family knows this. To do otherwise is to assume we are slaves that can be threatened with death casually.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yieu View Post
    The local story is worse, due to including more details.

    http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news...37/detail.html



    I don't want to endure having a gun pointed at me for standing up for my rights, or for simply being in a particular location. You only point a gun at someone you intend to use it on. To point a gun at someone you do NOT intend to use it on is the greatest insult to them and it literally threatens them with death. It's not some cute little "protocol" that you just do. You don't point a gun at someone like that. Everyone who grew up in a rural family knows this. To do otherwise is to assume we are slaves that can be threatened with death casually.
    + rep, excellent point
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    Default “Ends Justify the Means” As Cops Illegally Handcuff 40 Innocent Bystanders

    “Ends Justify the Means” As Cops Illegally Handcuff 40 Innocent Bystanders

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    June 5, 2012


    Police detained and handcuffed forty innocent bystanders after a bank robbery in Aurora, Colorado, on June 4. Nearly two dozen cars were stopped near a Wells Fargo Bank and the occupants held without probable cause as police searched for a suspect.

    Police Chief Daniel Oates demonstrated his ignorance of the Fourth Amendment when he told CBS in Denver “the ends justify the means” after the illegal round-up snared a suspect. He described the mass detainment and handcuffing as lawful and necessary.

    “The law is clear that investigative detentions are lawful for a reasonable period of time,” Oates said. “Reasonableness is determined by the facts and circumstances at issue, and the facts and circumstances were the suspect was in one of 19 cars.”

    Oates then apologized to the innocent bystanders who were terrorized.

    Probable cause under the Fourth Amendment is in effect when a person is detained or arrested and is not free to leave. Police can only detain a person when facts are sufficient to warrant an arrest or seizure of an individual.

    In Gerstein v. Pugh, the court found that judicial determination of probable cause is required following an arrest. Evidence of crime and that an individual was involved in a crime is required.

    A person arrested without probable cause may sue the government and the police.

    None of the illegally detained in the Colorado case complained, according to Oates, although people with a better understanding of the Constitution and the Fourth Amendment called the police and objected to the gross violation of liberty.

    The incident reveals that many police do not have a rudimentary understanding of the Constitution they are sworn to uphold.


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    already posted, I did the same thing

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...ing-their-cars
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