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Thread: New Democrat Rep from El Paso. I kinda like this guy.

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    1836
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    New Democrat Rep from El Paso. I kinda like this guy.

    Not sure there are any Democrats I totally love, but I'm very impressed with some of the things that are coming out of this new fellow who is almost certainly going to be representing El Paso, TX in Congress come November: Beto O'Rourke.

    If nothing else, you have to give the guy some serious credit for ousting someone who seemed, up until now, to be essentially unbeatable. Silvestre Reyes has not always been the most tactful representative, but has maintained a power base in the hugely important hispanic community in El Paso, and seemed like one of those guys who'd be there forever. Then this Beto O'Rourke ran an incredibly powerful campaign and managed to beat him. Impressive! The liberty movement needs to learn from people like this, who unthinkably oust an incumbent in a primary (statistically, an extraordinarily difficult thing to do).

    Hard to tell where he stands on everything but it's not for his lack of trying as much as his lack of a record. His website is fairly thorough for issues, compared to most congressional candidates. Here's a few things I think are worth keeping an eye on, as liberty-minded people.

    His "End Corruption" platform is below:

    Term limits. Congressional work should be a job, not a lifestyle or a gravy train paid for with your tax dollars. I support term limits.

    Constituent Support. My local constituent office will focus on your needs, not electioneering. Expect attentive service and great results.

    Accountability and Transparency. I will hold regular town hall meetings to ensure you have a Congressman you can talk to - not over the phone via expensive, taxpayer-funded telephonic "town halls".
    I am especially impressed with his support of term limits, something that really sticks your neck out in the Democratic party.

    Then he has a platform page called "Who's the True Democrat" where he lays out his record. To be honest, most of the stuff is about economics and entitlements. Unfortunately, he's very much a regular old progressive on these issues, nothing for us there. However, then there's this nugget (something he was roundly criticized for by Silvestre Reyes):

    Social Justice: I have spoken directly and passionately about the toll the drug war takes on Juarez and on the disproportionate impact it has on communities of color in the United States. I will continue to fight for what is best for El Paso and the U.S.-Mexico border.
    That takes balls.

    He has a "Congressional Reform" page with these issues once you dig down:

    My first bill filed will be to propose a Constitutional Amendment to enact term limits for the U.S. Congress
    I will never use my congressional staff to campaign for my re-election.
    I will stop the "revolving door" syndrome in Congress - staffers in my office will be prohibited from lobbying Congress at any point after their time serving our district.
    I will be directly accountable. I will hold monthly town hall meetings in the district, and will not hide behind staffer-screened "telephone town hall meetings."
    My focus will be our district and our country -- helping grow the economy, control our budget and move past partisanship -- not on special interests or partisan games.
    I'm not sure how he will prohibit staffers from lobbying after they serve in his office, but that's an admirable thing to try for. Without a doubt, this is a reform that can be done voluntarily by members of Congress in the sense of discouraging it and that he's going to do that is not insignificant.

    Finally, I'll leave you with this rather impressive understanding of the unconstitutionality of the NDAA provisions:

    Last edited by 1836; 08-11-2014 at 06:39 PM.



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    If he's for transparency then he must be on board with a FED audit and possible demolition. Also, if he's truly progressive, he'd also be an ally on the wars. Good stuff!

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    From reading his page I get the impression this guy will be absolutely awful on taxes,entitlements and spending. He's big on Obamacare and spending on Planned Parenthood. He doesn't think we spend enough on education. I see nothing about deficit reduction or foreign policy.

    At least having someone open to ending the drug war and opposed to NDAA is a small positive.

    I'd be interested to see what his stance is on the 2nd Amendment as that isn't mentioned.
    Last edited by Hyperion; 05-31-2012 at 08:45 PM.
    "Unlike my opponents, I'm not running from my voting record. I'm not running from my public statements. I'm not running from my predictions. I'm running on them." -Ron Paul

    "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." - H.L. Mencken

    I am a non-interventionist,anti-Fed, anti-drug war socially conservative Paul supporter(i.e. paleocon)

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    Looks pretty good. I'd much rather have a 50% ally than the 100% authoritarians that occupy most of the Congress.

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    I see that his opponent was endorsed by Obama and Bill Clinton.

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    He favors marijuana legalization. I'm honestly surprised he won.

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    I don't support Mr. O'Rourke, but I'm glad he sent Reyes to retirement. That guy has been in Washington D.C. for too long. I appreciate Mr. O'Rourke's views on term limits and the NDAA though, and I hope he will improve congress.

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    The enemy of my enemy may be worse than my enemy.

    I do not suffer from Trump Rearrangement Syndrome. Sorry if that triggers you.



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    Question Beto takes off

    Just Beto than Trump is not good enough, IMO.

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    Last edited by timosman; 03-26-2019 at 02:57 PM.

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    He is much more libertarian than Trump. I know we don't really care about that anymore, but just saying.

    I found this Reason link (hyperlink) interesting.
    Last edited by Anti-Neocon; 03-25-2019 at 08:25 PM.
    The enemy of my enemy may be worse than my enemy.

    I do not suffer from Trump Rearrangement Syndrome. Sorry if that triggers you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti-Neocon View Post
    He is much more libertarian than Trump.
    LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    LOL
    Paid to deny it, but have no facts that dispute it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti-Neocon View Post
    He is much more libertarian than Trump. I know we don't really care about that anymore, but just saying.

    I found this Reason link (hyperlink) interesting.
    I don't see anything libertarian about him in that article. On the other hand, it says this:
    On the other hand O'Rourke also recently called the Green New Deal "the best proposal that I've seen to ensure that this planet does not warm another two degrees Celsius," despite the plan's jaw-dropping cost and progressive grab-bagging.
    Trump is horrible. Nobody who supports this website's mission will dispute that.

    But I don't see any way to say that someone who supports the GND can be more libertarian than him.

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    I won't be doing the Beto Boogie.
    "The Patriarch"

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Paid to deny it, but have no facts that dispute it?
    LOL

    It's too obviously wrong to bother debating.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    LOL

    It's too obviously wrong to bother debating.
    Got no facts so you're pretending you don't need any.
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    We believe our lying eyes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Got no facts so you're pretending you don't need any.
    I've got plenty, I just don't need to debate whether it is daytime when the sun is in the sky.

    If you want some proof talk to Superfluous Man.

    Your shilling for Beto is hilarious.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I've got plenty, I just don't need to debate whether it is daytime when the sun is in the sky.

    If you want some proof talk to Superfluous Man.

    Your shilling for Beto is hilarious.
    Quote one nice thing I ever said about him. Just one. I dare you.
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    We believe our lying eyes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Quote one nice thing I ever said about him. Just one. I dare you.
    You are here defending the idea that he is more libertarian than Trump.
    No matter what you think of Trump he has done quite a few things that are somewhat libertarian so if Beto is more libertarian that would be a very nice thing to say about him.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You are here defending the idea that he is more libertarian than Trump.
    No matter what you think of Trump he has done quite a few things that are somewhat libertarian so if Beto is more libertarian that would be a very nice thing to say about him.
    Neither one of them is worth a bag of Styrofoam peanuts to a libertarian. Which is why you won't get into specifics. You'll lose the argument, and if you're really as brainwashed as you pretend to be, you might lose your beloved state of denial.

    In any case, accusing me of shilling for him is deliberate bull$#@! and you know it.
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    We believe our lying eyes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Neither one of them is worth a bag of Styrofoam peanuts to a libertarian. Which is why you won't get into specifics. You'll lose the argument, and if you're really as brainwashed as you pretend to be, you might lose your beloved state of denial.
    LOL

    I post specific good things (and bad things) Trump does all the time and plenty of people (including one in this thread) post horrible things Beto does that are much worse than Trump all the time.

    I don't have to debate whether it is daytime when the sun is in the sky.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    LOL

    I post specific good things (and bad things) Trump does all the time...
    Still pretending to be Mr. Fair And Balanced?

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    We believe our lying eyes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Still pretending to be Mr. Fair And Balanced?
    Truth is truth.
    Truth is fair and balanced.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment



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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Truth is truth.
    Truth is fair and balanced.
    You're changing the subject. We were talking about you.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    We believe our lying eyes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    You're changing the subject. We were talking about you.
    LOL
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    loveshiscountry
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti-Neocon View Post
    He is much more libertarian than Trump. I know we don't really care about that anymore, but just saying.

    I found this Reason link (hyperlink) interesting.
    Much more? This is a joke right? Why bring up the word when neither candidate is no where near libertarian?

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    Quote Originally Posted by loveshiscountry View Post
    Much more? This is a joke right? Why bring up the word when neither candidate is no where near libertarian?
    It's not a joke, but yeah that's the point. Beto has a few libertarian leanings and Trump has a few less.
    The enemy of my enemy may be worse than my enemy.

    I do not suffer from Trump Rearrangement Syndrome. Sorry if that triggers you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti-Neocon View Post
    It's not a joke, but yeah that's the point. Beto has a few libertarian leanings and Trump has a few less.
    LOL

    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    No the beta male does not have any chance taking on our alpha male president.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

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