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    Default Anyone else object to being called "Libertarian"?

    All Ron Paul supporters are constantly refered to as Libertarians in the media, I consider myself a conservative Republican personally, just not the kind of conservative Republican that most in the party have de-volved into these days with all the war rhetoric, but my hope is to bring Republicans back to their senses, not turn them into Libertarians. I also feel this label has turned alot of potential Rep voters off to us.
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    Nope.

    "If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism."
    Ronald Reagan

    But I'm not a Republican either. I am an Independent voter.
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    A lot of Ron Paul supporters ARE libertarians. I personally am offended that people refer to libertarianism like it's a dirty word.

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    I'd rather be libertarian than authoritarian. That's where you should draw the line.

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    I do. Not that Libertarians are bad, they are not. But because I have been registered from age 18 as a Republican.

    But the real issue, Libertarianism as a Party is a FAILURE and will continue to be a failure, based on the ability to elect candidates. That's right I said it .... taking precious resources and diverting them away from the battle for freedom I call Libertarian - Defeatism. It is precisely what the enemies of Liberty want us to do. "You kids go play in your Libertarian Party as us "adults" make the real decisions."

    If you want to argue with me on this fine, but that is all it will be a "debate." And as we debate our future is destroyed. It's time to take the spirit of libertarianism and merge it with a powerful institution that already exist, the Republican Party and make it ... the party of Liberty For All!
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    Nope, but I object when Glenn Beck refers to himself as a libertarian.

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    The republican party actually could've been the party of the libertarians. Until they decided that social issues and moral issues should be legislated.
    When the social conservatives and neo-cons came in, the 1964 Goldwater libertarians were sort of slowly driven out of the GOP and decided to start a party based upon Ayn Rand her ideas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrDauven View Post
    The republican party actually could've been the party of the libertarians. Until they decided that social issues and moral issues should be legislated.
    When the social conservatives and neo-cons came in, the 1964 Goldwater libertarians were sort of slowly driven out of the GOP and decided to start a party based upon Ayn Rand her ideas.
    Great history lesson. How did that work out?
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    Quote Originally Posted by airborne373 View Post
    I do. Not that Libertarians are bad, they are not. But because I have been registered from age 18 as a Republican.

    But the real issue, Libertarianism as a Party is a FAILURE and will continue to be a failure, based on the ability to elect candidates. That's right I said it .... taking precious resources and diverting them away from the battle for freedom I call Libertarian - Defeatism. It is precisely what the enemies of Liberty want us to do. "You kids go play in your Libertarian Party as us "adults" make the real decisions."

    If you want to argue with me on this fine, but that is all it will be a "debate." And as we debate our future is destroyed. It's time to take the spirit of libertarianism and merge it with a powerful institution that already exist, the Republican Party and make it ... the party of Liberty For All!
    Absolutely!

    We need the LP and the rest of the conservative 3rd parties to come back and help us.

    The reason the GOP strayed so far from its roots these last 35 years is because the libertarians left for a failed run at a new party. They need to come back!
    It's just an opinion... man...

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    I warned that the label Libertarian would cause harm to the campaign, it has, it does, and it did. "Libertarian" has been tainted by those in power with purpose. Not many Tea Party folks would refer to themselves as being Libertarian but they sure would say they agree with Thomas Jefferson. And there is the rub. Why? Because libertarian IS A DIRTY WORD - its fraught with bad associations (marketing). Use it at your own peril. The MSM has been using it very effectively to destroy Ron Paul. Its effect is a lot like the Che'/Paul likeness logo --- Its NOT good for Republican primary voters to see.
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    I don't let my mind and discussions be bogged down with such trivial matters. People are too stuck on their labels.
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    I consider myself a constitutionalist not a libertarian.
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    Remind folks to register and actually vote in the primaries. Their support is great, their vote is what counts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilgefisher View Post
    I consider myself a constitutionalist not a libertarian.
    The constitution is based on libertarian ideals.

    The idea of libertarianism was around long before there ever was a written constitution of any sort.

    The real problem with all of this is that people are making 'mental shortcuts' with these terms and automatically assume that it's bad based on what they have been told.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoOneButPaul View Post
    The reason the GOP strayed so far from its roots these last 35 years is because the libertarians left for a failed run at a new party. They need to come back!
    Not exactly.
    They were Republicans that were driven out buy the Socialists that had taken over the Party.
    The Republican Party should be more accurately renamed the Trotsky party.

    Some folks want to abandon principles and compromise with the neo-conservatives (NON-Conservatives)
    Some want to take the party back against the overwhelming influence of the Globalists. (good luck with that)

    Ron wants to use the party for his own purposes, as a tool and nothing else. I can accept that.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Not exactly.
    They were Republicans that were driven out buy the Socialists that had taken over the Party.
    The Republican Party should be more accurately renamed the Trotsky party.

    Some folks want to abandon principles and compromise with the neo-conservatives (NON-Conservatives)
    Some want to take the party back against the overwhelming influence of the Globalists. (good luck with that)

    Ron wants to use the party for his own purposes, as a tool and nothing else. I can accept that.
    I case you have not noticed, and by your post you haven't .... WE ARE TAKING THE REPUBLICAN PARTY BACK. Want to help?


    P.S. Oh my. I just noticed the number of posts you make. Please reference this thread. Stop The Cannibalism.
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    Is there some common ground here? What do we all agree on, at least in general?

    Much more limited government than we have now? Greater personal freedoms than we have now? A much more limited and respectful foreign policy than we have now?

    I speak generally, not specifically. I know there is plenty of room for argument in the details, but I'm talking about the much broader general picture right now. If we can decide in general terms what we agree on and support, maybe a "fresher" name than "libertarian" or "Ron Paul Republican" can be coined. Not that there is anything wrong with either of those terms, but they are overused, and have been around so long that they mean drastically different things to different people.

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    Screw it, I'm a Paulitician.

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    Quote Originally Posted by airborne373 View Post
    I case you have not noticed, and by your post you haven't .... WE ARE TAKING THE REPUBLICAN PARTY BACK. Want to help?
    Attempting to. and I applaud the attempt.

    it is far removed from a done deal.( and in point of fact, small success)
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

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    Paul's "libertarian" views ARE what conservatives used to think.

    I'm a fiscal conservative and much more liberal on many social issues except abortion. If that makes me a libertarian then I guess thats what it is. I do however; think that we'll never succeed while we're labeled libertarians as has been said before

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Attempting to. and I applaud the attempt.

    it is far removed from a done deal.( and in point of fact, small success)
    Way to support the cause. What are you doing in the REAL WORLD to make it happen? I have donated over $1,500.00 of my work product to the campaign and c4L and have pledged an additional $500.00 to Vets For Ron Paul. Of course If I spent my day posting on RPF I would not have the time to earn the money to donate.
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    only by those who want to make a cudgel out of it..... as in " a real libertarian believes...."

    I'm offended by those who USE it to offend or to call out 'other', but I think I fairly fall into the 'libertarian wing' of the Republican party. Now, BIG L libertarians have made their own set of compromises, and I'm not that.

    Quote Originally Posted by MrDauven View Post
    The republican party actually could've been the party of the libertarians. Until they decided that social issues and moral issues should be legislated.
    When the social conservatives and neo-cons came in, the 1964 Goldwater libertarians were sort of slowly driven out of the GOP and decided to start a party based upon Ayn Rand her ideas.

    Yeah, we were driven out (or made to find it unpleasant to be around them) when they started calling 'us' 'lazy faeries'. A clever moral majority play on 'laissez faire', get it? get it? it went to our not wanting to legislate morality, too.... (and no, I wasn't there at the time, hence the scare quotes around 'us'.)

    but personally I consider myself a constitutionalist. I never considered myself 'libertarian' before I found Ron Paul, and my ideas haven't really changed, they've just become more systematic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by airborne373 View Post
    Great history lesson. How did that work out?
    Not good as you might know.. xD

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    I tell people I am a conservative Constitutionalist. It's the best way I know to describe my personal beliefs, but put them in context with my political beliefs.
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    Yes I'm more than OK with it. However I understand that in this day and age it might come with some stigmas, that's ok.

    In that recent video of Dr. Paul in 1988 addressing the LP, he noted the word "libertarian" is generally seen as a good word in Congress...
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    Quote Originally Posted by airborne373 View Post
    Way to support the cause. What are you doing in the REAL WORLD to make it happen? I have donated over $1,500.00 of my work product to the campaign and c4L and have pledged an additional $500.00 to Vets For Ron Paul. Of course If I spent my day posting on RPF I would not have the time to earn the money to donate.
    Good for you..don't break your arm patting yourself on the back.

    I'm watching, we'll see what happens in Tampa.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

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    It's all about Freedom

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    libertarian or Libertarian? American meaning, or everywhere else in the world's meaning? Market or collectivst/socialist?

    We're refered to as "libertarians", not so much "Libertarians". And they mean minarchists/classical liberals, not really "libertarian"...as classical liberalism is a separate (albeit similar) markey philosophy than libertarianism. In America the label "libertarian" basically means classical liberal...whereas everywhere else in the world it means socialist anarchist. The capital "L" version of "Libertarian" refers to the Libertarian Party.

    I like to call myself "libertarian" so I don't have to tell people I just met I'm an individualist free market anarchist. It doesn't go over well in first impressions (but it's a great way to tell someone you not liking to piss off - "Yeah well, I'm an anarchist..."...long pause, they walk away).
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    Sigh..............here it goes again.............

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    People can call me whatever they want, it doesn't change the fact that I stand for liberty. If I had to label myself anything, it would be Anarcho Capitalist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrDauven View Post
    Not good as you might know.. xD
    lol

    I really wish others would understand that supporting a third party is a defeatist attitude promoted by the power elite and those who are unaware of what power is. Having an aversion to a world or an attraction to a word does not a party make or break. In the end it is about infrastructure, resources and members the Republican Party has all of those. As Liberty minded folk take over the apparatus known as the Republican Party and displace the Neo-Conservatives from power requiring them to fold back into the Democrat Party from whence they came or start a Pro-War ... Pro-Tax Party.

    Mitt Romney's Daddy successfully displaced Barry Goldwater conservatives in 1964 and sent them into obscurity for nearly half a century. It is only just that the same happen to them.
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    IMHO, threads like this (no offense) put out negative energy...a drain. We need energy and we need it to be positive! We dont need negative thought because there is enough negative news ... but even with negative news, we can turn that energy into positive ... like donating to South Dakota or doing something else that is positive to counteract that. This is no time to whine about such things. Again ... not to offend anyone, just trying to inject POSITIVE energy. Come on troops!

    Too bad my comment has to bump this ... hopefully all the negative stuff will drop to the bottom and the cream, like the South Dakota Money Bomb, will rise to the TOP.
    Last edited by No1butPaul; 05-27-2012 at 10:25 AM.
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