Jihadist Dilemma: 72 Virgins or a Wife, Diploma, and Welfare

[TER]

While I still haven't gotten a straight answer from expaki and Muwahid on whether they agree a women should be stoned for adultery, i did get my answer via PM on who banned FrankRep (the same mod who negative repped me for post 63 above and has neg repped me before for a similar occasion). The reason being this time is that I have "turned another person from Christ" and that I am a poor Christian. While I shamefully admit that most times I am a poor excuse for a Christian, I would never believe that on this site I would get censured for defending Jesus Christ from a nominal practicing Muslim who is filled with hate and contempt for Christians and this Nation and who can't answer the question on whether a women should be stoned to death for adultery. Thus, you can blaspheme Jesus Christ here, but if you defend Jesus Christ and argue that the forcing of women under the threat of violence is completely antithetical to the liberty movement, then you can get censured and even banned by a mod. I take this quite seriously.

This is my final post in the forum. I thank all the friends I have made over the past few years and for all of the insight I have gained. I know for a long time now I have become a one topic poster, and I apologize for that, but it is a topic I put above all other things. I look forward in continuing my correspondence with those who I have become close with.

There are no hard feelings, it is simply my time to go. It does not mean I will stop working in getting Ron Paul elected President or fighting for this movement, this I assure you! My prayer is to make it down to Tampa and see Ron Paul become the nominee!

God bless everyone (especially those who I have contended with), and I ask all those whom I have offended over the years to please forgive me.

[specsaregood]

Thus, you can blaspheme Jesus Christ here, but if you defend Jesus Christ and argue that the forcing of women under the threat of violence is completely antithetical to the liberty movement, then you can get censured and even banned by a mod. I take this quite seriously.

Nobody has been banned for defending Christ here. Frankrep was banned for PMing "fuck you" to a mod. Is that christian behavior?

[Muwahid]

While I still haven't gotten a straight answer from expaki and Muwahid on whether they agree a women should be stoned for adultery

I don't know maybe my English isn't so good (it's my first language??) but I said clearly and explicitly that the Hadd punishment of adultery in Islam is stoning.

I then explained it.

I then pointed to Mosaic law which says the exact same thing, you brought up a disputed verse from the Bible.

You're being dishonest by the way, he posted a picture of Muslim women freely wearing what they see fit, and said it's not freedom which kicked off the debate you're saying it was about "forcing women to wear it under violence" (which my point from the start was: if they do it's against islam because islam has no punishment for a women not wearing the veil unlike Christianity 1 Corinthians 11 ), that is dishonest and I resent it. You admittedly don't know much about Islam yet you have an incredibly bias perception on it.

If I were to play your card I would blame Christianity for Breviek murdering children, and priests molesting little boys, but we try to have a little class when it comes to dealing with the matter of God, it's a shame you've chosen to be classless.

[ExPatPaki]

Nobody has been banned for defending Christ here. Frankrep was banned for PMing "fuck you" to a mod. Is that christian behavior?

Apparently posting a picture of veiled Muslim women and saying this is not freedom is akin to defending Jesus. I guess Jesus's own mother Mary who also wore the veil was oppressed and not free because of her attire.

Plus it is only a temp-ban. Saying 'fuck you' to a moderator would get you permanently banned on most other forums.

[ExPatPaki]

You're being dishonest by the way, he posted a picture of Muslim women freely wearing what they see fit

This thread has proven that dishonesty and hypocrisy is a central part of the Christian religion when it comes to debating. To American Christians like FrankRep, Muslim women are only considered to be free when they are murdered by the American Christian army in their own countries.

This is the reason why I don't let my wife wear the hijab to cover her hair even though she really wants to. I don't want some violent and hateful Christian like FrankRep harassing my wife when she goes to work.

[ZenBowman]

Women doing what they want is not freedom? Oh wait let me guess they're forced to do that against their will

Nuns must be oppressed too.

Four men and two women sentenced to death for dancing at Pakistan wedding
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...n-wedding.html

Pretty clearly not freedom.

War is clearly not the answer, but lets not pretend that there is any freedom whatsoever in those countries.

[teacherone]

Four men and two women sentenced to death for dancing at Pakistan wedding
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...n-wedding.html

Pretty clearly not freedom.

War is clearly not the answer, but lets not pretend that there is any freedom whatsoever in those countries.

That's why they hate us.

[ExPatPaki]

Four men and two women sentenced to death for dancing at Pakistan wedding
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...n-wedding.html

Local tribal disputes which go back generations. The Pakistani government's Islamic and secular laws do not apply to the tribal regions.

But luckily, the police did arrest the cleric which issued the death sentence. Now the stupid cleric denies it.

War is clearly not the answer, but lets not pretend that there is any freedom whatsoever in those countries.

Pakistani TV is full of Pakistani Christian models who parade around in skimpy outfits. Most outfits are designed by a Pakistani Hindu fashion designer, Deepak Perwani. If Pakistani Christian models can do that on local television, courtesy of a Hindu, then the condition isn't that bad. Pakistan has also had a Catholic Chief Justice of the Supreme Court in the 1960s and a Hindu Chief Justice recently as well.

The Catholic Chief Justice, Alvin Cornelius, was also a leader in Pakistan's independence movement.

In Pakistan, the issue is mostly about the social stature. If you are rich or middle class, you can get by easily and have freedom, but if you are poor, then you have to struggle and deal with the bullshit.

Despite constant threats from the government, Pakistani news media is incredibly free in criticizing politicians and the current Zardari government.

The only person that the Pakistani media fears is the terrorist leader Altaf Hussain, leader of the MQM, who is harbored by the freedom loving British government and given British citizenship.

Obviously it's okay for the British government to harbor a terrorist leader, since they are the beacon of freedom, but it's bad when a brown country like Pakistan harbors terrorists because there is no "freedom" there.

[ZenBowman]

Obviously it's okay for the British government to harbor a terrorist leader, since they are the beacon of freedom, but it's bad when a brown country like Pakistan harbors terrorists because there is no "freedom" there.

I'd say there is little freedom in either country.

[dannno]

If they try to wear a burka here there's the constant harassment to deal with.

What kind of harassment do they get if they don't wear a burka over there??

I'm not for forcing my beliefs on them, but I'm not going to pretend that a group of people who admonishes women who don't wear burkas are living 'free'. There are plenty of modest ways to dress without hiding your entire body.

Admittedly, there are PLENTY of places in the middle east where women aren't required to wear burkas and where people do live relatively free.