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I agree, this move is for the best. I almost choked on my coffee when I read the headlines, but after thinking about it, it makes sense. We could never hope to influence so many people dollar for dollar against Romney. This will seal the deal for a low turnout since there is effectively no choice on the popular front, which will make the delegate battle easier. The time for winning hearts and minds is over and the time to make plays is now.
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Is he still able to participate in the RNC if everybody thinks he dropped out?
The press release was stupid. There was no reason to tell anyone that you were going to focus on caucus states. You just do it. Now it's created confusion and the MSM is running with as if he's out. I'm sorry there was nothing brilliant about this. It was actually height of amateurism.
The people we as a Liberty Movement have to be worried about now are the 110,000 Youth for Ron Paul Supporters.
I am shocked that Ron Paul would not continue to hold rallies on College Campus's to build the Liberty Movement in the outgoing years.
This is the most devastating part of "stupid" press release today. We shot ourselves in the proverbial foot if our goal is to continue building the Liberty Movement.
A HUGE BLUNDER!!!
I doubt it has that much to do with the wording of the email.
Remember 2008? How many months were they saying Paul had dropped out while he was still running? They just want to be able to get that thing going - like he's dropped out, so they have an excuse to keep pretending he's out. Now they'll pretend they are vindicated when they don't cover any success he has. If it wasn't this email, they'd have found some other reason call him "out".
-college students are too poor or paying off tuition to donate
-college students too busy with school/job/relationship to do grassroots stuff
-college students at a college might not be able to vote in their district because their original address is out of state
-college students might just be going to rallies because it is the cool, hip thing to do, like Kony 2012
again, i do understand the importance of educating people.. maybe some might get involved in the delegate process at the conventions. maybe they might even join the grassroots. however, i imagine it is only a small portion of the 5,000-8,000 crowd that would go down this route.
the Romney campaign aren't going anywhere, they hold the reigns of media power, they are not stupid and probably even have poeple in these forums, they will use every dirty trick, we need to start getting lawyers and prosecute the fraud, we just need to carry on.
I'm gonna post this here also from another thread, as I see it can apply here also.
Ok, here is my speculation on this...
This statement from the Paul campaign has a huge purpose and just might be genius. We already have the media ignoring us, and we have a huge task to get the message out about our wins of delegates and our delegate strategy. I was really trying to think why the Paul campaign would have stooped to such low levels like this.
Well, here's why. We don't have to look that far back. Just at the last thing that pissed some/most people off. That was Doug Wead's major announcement that wasn't a major announcement. Man, that sure got a lot of people's attention. One thing that stuck out from what he facebook/tweeted though was he stated that the establishment GOP is making it sound like we are trying to backdoor this thing and going against the will of the party. He stated we needed a HUGE way to get out the message that Paul was winning the delegates fair and square.
Well, here ya go. We now have EVERY medium right now reporting national and local that Paul has dropped out or shifted direction. Yes, WE HAVE EVERY MEDIUM, FINALLY. What do medium's have. Comments! We now have a way (RP internet revolution) to inform the masses of people that Ron Paul is winning huge. The more we can report to people to start informing them, the less of a shocker it will be when ol' brokered convention (abstain) or the final win (unbound) comes around.
So use this message a blessing in disguise even if it wasn't meant to be, because we now have the national podium to inform the sheeple that we are here to stay.
It shouldn't have been sent like this. It shouldn't have been sent at all, even if that is what they plan to do.
If it is an intentional signal to the media and the Establishment, DON'T send it to the grass roots, dammit. Any pessimism shown only brings up bad memories from when he dropped out last time after assuring us he would 'go all the way' as long as the money was there (which it was) and we were behind him (which you can tell because we're STILL HERE!).
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"Thousands of people are showing up to see a guy and hear a guy who isn't going to win the nomination." - Rand Paul (@ 4:29)
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Hell, I feel like we are being played by the MSM. It won't end well for the MSM as they make themselves increasingly useless and unreliable. I had two coworkers tell me Ron Paul ended his campaign. I knew was pure BS even though I have been off the forums all day. Honestly, I thought it was BS unless there was a serious health or family emergency. There wasn't. BS story is BS. Don't buy it.
Also, Rand is playing a dangerous game with establishment and I think that statement shows either a disregard to the effect of words or he is courting the insider crowd to be the "safe" liberty candidate. He could be like the grape Mr Miyagi (Karate Kid) speaks of, not walking to the right or the left but getting squashed in the middle.
ok, so he's not spending money on any remaining primary states...so how many caucus states are left?
edit...found it...so the only caucus states left are 6/01-6/10 - Nebraska, Caucus
6/14-6/16 - Montana, Caucus
so he's only going to campaign in these 2 states from now til then???
Last edited by papitosabe; 05-14-2012 at 04:19 PM.
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Originally Posted by Austrian Econ Disciple
"I like that guys spunk."
if the grassroots that's supposed to be in the know is confused by this, what do you think all the soft support thinks? exactly what the media is narrating it as - that's what. that Paul is out. poor move, imo.
Like, just this past weekend. - Arizona, Oklahoma, Virginia.
And the weekend before - Maine, Nevada.
Getting our people in as the delegates, that's the plan.
There are 5 (I think) this coming weekend. We don't really do all that great in the "people voting in voting booths" part. We do well in the "drive hours, spend days" part.
If any one is counting, we were supposedly out of this race hundreds if not thousands of times ago. We don't listen very well, just ask the Republican party "leadership".
Like a weasel stuck on an electric fence - we got them shaking.
'Dropping out' (thats what it is painted) just in that week with so many state conv ahead doesnt make any sense other than deceiving the opponent. Especially since conv went so well until now.
This will get funny when they have to drag him to the microphone in Tampa! With RP going underneath radars he could sweep most of this weeks conventions , run into an effective delegate lead, take that into TX to win it and add all up for CA. That could easily make Romney clear for the first dropout of the quartet at 7th of June. Got to play that on intrade!
All fantasy, but this weeks conventions will tell it all.