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Last edited by romancito; 05-11-2012 at 08:54 AM. Reason: no quote included
a discussion and solution to the RNC rule violation or perceived rule violation should be brought to the appropriate convention committee and the committee should be tasked to bring it to the floor of the convention for a solution - which in my view is to unbound all bound delegates on first ballot and to demand the publication of each delegate vote on the floor of the RNC convention. Just a thought.
The violation by the RNC of their own rule and the subsequent support of Romney is what gives the MSM the cover and basis for continuing their bias against the Ron Paul campaign. It is a cultural and social miscarriage of fairness in our democratic election process. That is why it needs to be reprehended and corrected and people should resign. It is the foundation for the MSM to continue to distort the communication for the electoral campaigns. Just a thought.
I honestly think that Romney can and will be bumped from the nomination but we won't be guaranteed anything. I can see the establishment scrambling around and flipping the narrative in the media and start pushing Jeb Bush from the convention floor. Don't know why but this has been on my mind for a few days now.
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Private organization can break their own rules.
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If Ron Paul supporters deny Romney his nomination on the first ballot, very possibly, then the issue will be who to pair Sarah Palin with. Could be:
Jebb Bush / Sarah Palin; or Paul Ryan / Sarah Palin; or Ron Paul / Sarah Palin. The higher probability could be between Ryan / Palin or Paul / Palin. Who knows. I only know Mitt Romney is going to have a fit so big that he will simply leave the convention in a rage.
Maybe the RNC won't enforce its own rules, but delegates bound to Romney could use this as a reason to vote for somebody else.
Same way that ron paul supporters will not vote for romney, many romney supporters will not vote for dr. paul, ie. foreign policy, trillion dollar cut, etc. so strategy calls for adding to either romney or paul a catalyst that would break the stubbornness of clamping down. sarah palin could be that person that softens the ticket for dr. paul just as maybe adding rand paul to the romney ticket or someone like him would soften the ticket for ron paul supporters. just a thought.
Hey, are you guys making sure to TWEET this unbound delegates news to the ex-Gingrich/Santorum/Perry/Santorum/Bachman/Cain supporters?
We can all take Mittens down together. God knows, WE have the best organization to decide who the nominee will be, thankfully.
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We will have enough delegates to raise a point of order, will we not? Hopefully we will have at least one person on the committee that will not have given approval to help with the Romney campaign. If that happens, regardless of rule 38, I would think that would be enough to allow all delegates to be unbound. If that happens, it's game on.
The epitome of libertarian populismOriginally Posted by Ron Paul
if the odds are that ron paul is going to win some more plurality in additional states and more delegates bound to romney in states like california and then those delegates will abstain on first ballot, then I guess connecting with people like sarah palin because to compete with romney, or bush or ryan once the first ballot is behind them then he will need to provide a measure of breadth in an electorate that is already for the most part defined. to me sarah palin would make his ticket connect with most so called moderate republicans. she will also connect the ticket with independent women that are family oriented.
most republicans are what they are and are not true to the republican values that ron paul is trying to restore. so they need to change and "evolve" a la Obama and changing to constitutional government within a balance budget and a market non-government directed liberty based economy would be difficult for all but doable. if sarah palin would accept the motherly task of showing the way to go from fox-news pseudo neo-con and embrace the values we spouse as liberty faithful constitutionalists then she could be the key to help transform the republican party to a restore american values institution. otherwise it would be difficult to perform a change large enough in the time between august and election day. we need someone willing to show "change" from neo-con to liberty economy. remember the wednesday vote on the american-israel military aid bill was 411 to 2.
Where does this opinion come from? If a store does not honor its refund policy, a customer can sue. If a company has a written policy that "shorts are OK to wear" and then sues someone for wearing shorts, a wrongful dismissal suit will follow. If shareholders don't agree with how a company is being run, they can sue (they don't even need a majority of shareholders).
It is more likely that "Public organizations can break their own rules."
The RNC is acting like an autocrat and naming by fiat who the nominee is rather than using the drawn out process they have voluntarily enacted.
Putting it another way, even if the RNC can do what it wants, when a judge orders Romney's name removed from the ballots (or Ron Paul's to be added), it will be the states complying, not a private organization.
Last edited by The Free Hornet; 05-11-2012 at 03:04 PM.
The act is extremely reprehensible and anarchistic. He needs to resign immediately. His act enables the MSM to continue to ignore the candidacy and election campaign of dr. paul. Running for president is one of the most honorable things anyone can do and the actions of the RNC and the MSM of ignoring his campaign is despicable and disrespectful of our historic presence in our world. Without his resignation the republican convention will not achieve what it has intended to achieve. Mitt Romney is not fit for the presidency if he does not relinquish the offer and asks for the chairman's resignation. But he won't because he is simply an opportunist and his values range is limited to his best interest.
You don't think it it's crass for the RNC to break their own rules?
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Well if they followed their rules it wouldn't disqualify him from ALL states it seems. I believe Idaho, Massachusetts, Oklahoma and Vermont's state republican parties have approved of his joint fundraising with the RNC. At least, I would expect so given this statement from the "Romney Victory Fund" donation page:
However, they are openly putting much of these donations to the PRIMARY AND GENERAL "Romney For President" accounts....which would seemingly disqualify him in the other 46 states. Again, the donation page says so:Contributions to Romney Victory, Inc. (“RV”) are not tax deductible for federal income tax purposes. RV is a joint fundraising committee composed of Romney for President, Inc. (“RFP”), the Republican National Committee (“RNC”), and the official Republican Parties in four states (the Idaho Republican Party, the Massachusetts Republican Party, the Oklahoma Leadership Council, and the Vermont Republican Federal Election Committee) the National Republican Senatorial Committee, and the National Republican Congressional Committee.
We really need to make sure EVERY Paul supporting national delegate has this info. They could make quite a stink about this at the convention.Proceeds shall be allocated by the following formula
Individuals and non-multicandidate PACs - The first $2,500 will go to RFP’s primary account. The next $2,500 will go to RFP’s general account. The next $30,800 will go to the RNC. The remaining amount will be split evenly among the federal accounts of the Republican Parties of Idaho, Massachusetts, Oklahoma, and Vermont, up to a maximum of $10,000 per committee.
Last edited by TRIGRHAPPY; 05-11-2012 at 09:20 PM.
No. The rule states that all 50 states must be on board with it in order for NATIONAL to do what they are doing. Not each state individually. All 50. In writing. Before said events take place. It did not happen. Period.
"Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one."
—Charles Mackay
"god i fucking wanna rip his balls off and offer them to the gods"
-Anonymous
Thanks for your reply. It forced me to re-read the RNC rulebook. It seems I did, in fact, misinterpret the rules upon my first reading. However, unfortunately for both of us, so did you.
There's no point in lying to ourselves over this. Not all 50 states have to be on board (not by any stretch of the imagination), only the members of the NATIONAL republican committee from the state involved. Which means, if there are 2 people on the 145 member republican national committee from Texas, then both of them have to approve....no more, no less. Since every state has *at least* 1 member on the RNC, this can be as few as a single person filing their written approval to allow the RNC to help a candidate (even in a primary in which he is opposed).The Republican National Committee shall
not, without the prior written and filed approval of all
members of the Republican National Committee from
the state involved, contribute money or in-kind aid to
any candidate for any public or party office except the
nominee of the Republican Party or a candidate who is
unopposed in the Republican primary after the filing
deadline for that office.
Now, unless some complete act of stupidity occurred and the written approval by the 1 to 3 people required to enable it was not filed...... Show's over folks, nothing to see here.
I do think it's worth the Paul campaign looking into, however. After all, any state whose RNC members did not file said approval would see any and all Romney delegates (at the very least) unbound.
Last edited by TRIGRHAPPY; 05-11-2012 at 09:47 PM.
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I believe it was three people in each state and I bet it is the same three they tried to get sign the loyalty oath in AZ when Iowa refused. And I feel certain, admittedly without proof, that they do NOT have the waivers they need because of that. Will we get justice for it? That's a stretch of the imagination.
But I am absolutely for challenging them on it and at least making them squirm.
Last edited by sailingaway; 05-11-2012 at 09:48 PM.
"Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesn't want to hear.” -Ron Paul
"Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it." -Edward Snowden
I'm not going to comment on the rule, but simply provide better evidence (forgive me if this has already been posted):
http://images.politico.com/global/20...y_victory.html
I will say this though: several neo-con, pro-Romney people have came up to me and said that they disagree with this action taken between Romney and the RNC before the Primary was over.
Am I missing something? Even if they had the signatures of the RNC members from a state, they are STILL NOT SUPPOSED TO BE PIMPING FOR ANYONE WHO IS NOT THE NOMINEE. Romney is NOT the nominee.
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