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    The donations are held in a "victory fund" and will not be disbursed until after the convention. That is how the RNC/Romney campaign are skirting rule 11. They will get away with it IMO.



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    Fun idea: lets win the nomination and then demand the funds that Romney raised for the "Nominee"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Narmical View Post
    Fun idea: lets win the nomination and then demand the funds that Romney raised for the "Nominee"
    I'm not sure if the victory fund is for one candidate only or whomever is the nominee. Interesting.

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    How is IN-KIND AID defined? Perhaps FREE MEDIA calling him the nominee would be considered IN-KIND AID?

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    Quote Originally Posted by idiom View Post
    It can be brought up as a point of order mid-business at the relevant (possibly all) state conventions no?
    Correct and dismissal or inappropriate procedural handling of it would be reason enough to walk out of the convention and produce an alternate convention that deals with fairness in the process of electing a nominee.

    But more importantly, that kind of violation, blatant, open, factual and verifiable is a good reason why Florida bound delegates can vote their conscience during the first ballot and challenge the florida rule that all delegates must vote as a unit. as well as any other bound delegate from any other state and territories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KevinYeaux View Post
    Yes, they offered joint fundraising to all the campaigns (at the time, Santorum and Gingrich were still in the race.)

    The RNC is not declaring Romney their nominee with joint fundraising. Not officially, anyway. And there's nothing "illegitimate" about it... campaigns work to raise funds with their party during the general election.

    The Paul campaign, along with Gingrich and Santorum's camps, turned down the offer because the money raised with the party can only be used during the general election, and not for primary activities. At the time, it looked unlikely that those three would be able to raise funds for the general election since it looked unlikely they would be the GOP nominee.

    Again, the RNC is not officially declaring Romney the nominee and the money cannot be used until the general election begins. This is standard practice and was offered to each campaign, including Ron Paul. It's important that we have the facts when discussing this type of stuff.
    Really? You might want to rethink your answer after this statement. This was made AFTER Santorum and Gingrich have dropped out. You are incorrect. The RNC is in direct violation of Rule#11.

    On 4/25/2012 the RNC made this statement:

    "Governor Romney's strong performance and delegate count at this stage of the primary process has made him our party's presumptive nominee," Mr. Priebus said. "In order to maximize our efforts I have directed my staff at the R.N.C. to open lines of communication with the Romney campaign."
    and
    "It's my intention to have a seamless and complete merger between the presumptive nominee and the Republican National Committee," Mr. Priebus said. "That means political, communications, fund-raising, research and the chairman's office, along with the governor's main operational team, are completely merged."

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    "in kind aid" is a letter from the RNC to the Nevada party chairman threatening to not seat the delegation if a big enough Paul supporters delegation was elected. and probably many other such occurrences to many other states party convention chairs that make factual the illusion that Romney is assumed the RNC nominee.

    Rule 11 (b) is the perfect reason why a bound delegate may abstain during the first ballot claiming the RNC violated Rule 11(a) and that the election process has been unfair and that Romney does not reflect the true sentiment of the Republican party members. Rules 11(b) can be claimed as the reason why any bound delegate of the Florida delegation or the Puertorican delegation may not only abstain from the unit rule but require his or her vote to be published, even during the first ballot. And it is a good reason to amend the rules or suspend the rules prior to the first ballot so those who have conscientious objections to unfairness and bias by the RNC towards Romney may cast their ballot the way they believe is right and have clear conscience before God and men that our democracy is being performed fairly and legally.

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    Swann it!!! (Ben Swann that is...)
    Bad speller's of the world .... UNTIE !!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShaneEnochs View Post
    As much as I want to believe that he's going to be invalidated, I think we know that the RNC won't hold up its own rules.
    Quote Originally Posted by Drex View Post
    Rules don't apply to the people that write them
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    It needs to be forwarded to the Ron Paul people
    Two Words: File Lawsuit
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    Do you want to know how I know Romney can and will be invalidated?

    Given we as MEMBERS, of the Republican party follow the rules, we can also hold other members accountable, it is a collective Party. We can take them to court, if the campaign doesn't if we have enough people we can file a class action lawsuit. Stop doubting and lets find the wherewithal to do this!


    We can sue! We are members of the Republican party, and we can hold them accountable for disrupting the process

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyler_Durden View Post
    Two Words: File Lawsuit
    Can't. Regardless of what we think, the RNC has not broken any LAWS. The rules are rules for a Private "Club" or organization and are not actual laws. At the very least though, Reince Priebus and others who have violated the rule by endorsing Romney as the "presumptive" nominee and joining forces/resources with him, should step down and resign immediately in violation of Rule 11.
    Last edited by areamike; 05-11-2012 at 09:02 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drex View Post
    Rules don't apply to the people that write them
    Yep.

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    We live in interesting times.

    What happens if the nomination process is stalled while we wait for a SCOTUS ruling, for say ... 5 or 6 years ?
    Because this has to go to court.
    Let them keep thinking Ron Paul supporters are just a little army. Every military strategy manual in the world has examples of the bad things that happen to arrogant commanders of massive armies that underestimate the enemy. They all lose. We will win because the human heart, despite its detractors, is meant for truth and freedom.

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    I agree RNC was and is in direct violation of Rule 11 and there is much evidence to the fact. And I agree with the premise that Romney would be disqualified on the basis of unfairness. And I think it opens the Convention to be brokered since disqualifying Romney would not be plausible but giving Dr. Paul a fair chance would not only act as fair but also as legally. All bound delegates should perceive themselves as unbound due to the RNC violation and first ballot must reflect a correction of the election process at the floor of the convention. After all that is what and why conventions are for and are needed, to correct any unfairness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by areamike View Post
    Can't. Regardless of what we think, the RNC has not broken any LAWS. The rules are rules for a Private "Club" or organization and are not actual laws. At the very least though, Reince Priebus and others who have violated the rule by endorsing Romney as the "presumptive" nominee and joining forces/resources with him, should step down and resign immediately in violation of Rule 11.
    It is contract violation. That's almost as if I owned a casino, I stated that I would not give anyone an upper hand bet on who you'd like, and toward the end of the game I give $1,000,000 to a player. We as registrered members cant be lied to...


    Dont you all GET IT!


    Lawsuit!

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    Quote Originally Posted by palm View Post
    It is contract violation
    Exactly what I was going to write

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    What I see important is that the Convention Rules Committee (and I don't know much about it) take that issue to task before the start of the convention and that a solution to the violation is presented to the floor for a vote prior to the first ballot. And what I think should happen is that all bound delegates be allowed to vote their conscience during first ballot and that the unit rule of any state be invalidated due to the fact. Otherwise a walkout or another form of disqualification of Romney's delegates because of the RNC violation be voted on prior to nominations. Just a thought.

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    I Tweeted it :

    The #RNC / #GOP have a problem: YOUNG, PASSIONATE RON PAUL SUPPORTERS WHO CHERISH THE RULE OF LAW. We're coming to Tampa, rules in hand...

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    Quote Originally Posted by palm View Post
    It is contract violation.
    I am not a proponent of Romoney nor do I support him or the filthy rule breaking and rigged election counting going on, but I find it very hard to believe or understand how this is a CONTRACT. A contract is a binding agreement between two or more persons or entities signed by all parties involved.

    This topic in question is nothing more than a private organization's rules that have been broken. No more no less.

    Quite possibly, a civil lawsuit could be brought up, however like I said previously at the VERY LEAST, the RNC Chairman and anyone else involved in breaking this rule should resign immediately! If a possible civil lawsuit should follow, so be it. Most importantly though, our efforts and energy need to be concentrated towards getting Ron Paul in the White House!

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    Sorry for the double post, but do you all remember what happened in 2008 at the National Convention? Ron Paul started gaining popularity and the RNC shut the convention down, declared McCain the winner and it was done, over, fini.

    They won't be able to do that this time around. He has way too much momentum and has gained way too many delegates and states. Here's comes the Ron Paul revolution train, Get on or get out of the way!

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    Quote Originally Posted by areamike View Post
    Can't. Regardless of what we think, the RNC has not broken any LAWS. The rules are rules for a Private "Club" or organization and are not actual laws. At the very least though, Reince Priebus and others who have violated the rule by endorsing Romney as the "presumptive" nominee and joining forces/resources with him, should step down and resign immediately in violation of Rule 11.
    SORRY, but THEIR RULES affect OUR ELECTION.

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    Quote Originally Posted by areamike View Post
    Sorry for the double post, but do you all remember what happened in 2008 at the National Convention? Ron Paul started gaining popularity and the RNC shut the convention down, declared McCain the winner and it was done, over, fini.

    They won't be able to do that this time around. He has way too much momentum and has gained way too many delegates and states. Here's comes the Ron Paul revolution train, Get on or get out of the way!
    If I remember correctly, Ron Paul was disinvited to the RNC and held his OWN convention. Are you really a Ron Paul follower?

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    Quote Originally Posted by palm View Post
    Can I ask, what in that document is relevant to this discussion? I didn't feel like reading 38 or so pages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by areamike View Post
    Can I ask, what in that document is relevant to this discussion? I didn't feel like reading 38 or so pages.

    political party law, and general "rules" and "ethics" that political parties are required to follow in the U.S.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wgadget View Post
    If I remember correctly, Ron Paul was disinvited to the RNC and held his OWN convention. Are you really a Ron Paul follower?
    I'm not sure what would lead you to believe that I am not.

    My website:
    http://www.areamike.com
    If that doesn't show that I support RP, I don't know what does.

    I'm also active in my area/Indiana with other Ron Paul supporters and I plan to go to our State's Convention on June 8 and 9 and try to influence our GOP to nominate some RP delegates.
    We have 46 total delegates in my state.
    27 are bound to the primary winner
    16 are unbound and selected at our Convention and 3 are the GOP chair persons that are also unbound.

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    Remember........
    this is to nominate a 'public servant' for the highest office and authority of the land, whom will best serve its people in service of representing and deciding the direction for which the country's citizen shall live by. Therefore private agenda of a private body does not overrule over the wishes of the people guaranteed by the constitution and bill of rights.........."government of the people, by the people, for the people"........

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    Quote Originally Posted by areamike View Post
    I'm not sure what would lead you to believe that I am not.

    My website:
    http://www.areamike.com
    If that doesn't show that I support RP, I don't know what does.

    I'm also active in my area/Indiana with other Ron Paul supporters and I plan to go to our State's Convention on June 8 and 9 and try to influence our GOP to nominate some RP delegates.
    We have 46 total delegates in my state.
    27 are bound to the primary winner
    16 are unbound and selected at our Convention and 3 are the GOP chair persons that are also unbound.
    Just thought you'd know he was not invited to the last RNC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wgadget View Post
    Just thought you'd know he was not invited to the last RNC.
    I never said he was. I said at the last RNC, he was gaining momentum. I should have clarified he was not there. Now that I re-read my post it does sound like I insinuated he was actually AT the Convention. I know he held his own rally. Still, the RNC noticed he was gaining popularity so they shut down their Convention and went home hoping to divert attention away from RP.

    Have you all seen this yet? Don't know if anyone else posted it.


    Also, here is the official article from Jeff Bales accusing the RNC of breaking their own Rules and endorsing Romney.
    http://www.pr.com/press-release/410950

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    Also, I have sent this information to every single news media outlet I could. I demanded they investigate and report it. I'm sure they will get right on it....

    http://www.pr.com/press-release/410950

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