Nope.Originally Posted by alongee
Nope.
Last edited by enoch150; 05-01-2012 at 06:45 AM.
what a stupid idea.Taxes are high...we need them nearly abolished at the federal level.
..this is the darkest timeline..It was too weird to live, and too rare to die - hunter s. thompson .
you can leave our money alone and leave .
..this is the darkest timeline..It was too weird to live, and too rare to die - hunter s. thompson .
+1
Last edited by psi2941; 05-01-2012 at 04:19 AM.
Rand Benedict Paul.
Not only did he sell us out, this douche bag did it to his own father! I'm more upset him selling his father out. I don't care who i think is going to win i would never sell my father out. If his willing to sell his father out what else is for sale?
You are a brainwashed, indoctrinated idiot. You confuse tax rates with tax revenue. They don't go hand in hand. Your classwarfarism is disgusting too.
European countries have far higher tax rates than the U.S. Are they running balanced budgets or surpluses? No!!! They are experiencing massive debt ratios to GDP compared to us. That's why they are on the verge of collapsing. Are higher taxes states like NY, CA, IL etc running surpluses. No!!! They all have huge, massive deficits. People are also leaving those states because of the high tax burden.
It's does NOT cost $3.5 trillion a year in federal spending to build roads. Never has and never will. Combined govt spending was 10% of GDP in 1910. Today it is 45% or about $6 trillion. With all that spending you would think at least one person on the stupid Left would be happy. But the thieves never are.
And it doesn't matter what the tax rates are, the fed govt has always collected about 15-17% of GDP. And just because tax rates were higher back in the day does NOT mean spending as per GDP was higher because spending was much smaller. Again, they don't go hand in hand. Military spending per GDP has decreased two fold over the last 50 years while discrentionary spending like Medicare and SS has gone up three fold.
Again, the OP is an brainwashed idiot. Oh and the federal govt only spends about $70 billion on roads. So according to you we don't need 66% tax rates. That could be accomished with a 1% rate.
Last edited by Liberty74; 05-01-2012 at 05:29 AM.
Be responsible. Take care of yourself. Don't tread on other people. Slow down. Question everything. Start now.
"Everything the State says is a lie and everything it has it has stolen" - Friedrich Nietzsche
Yep, to build on what bluesc said:
The top bracket people will leave the country, and take their wealth with them. Then what happens? Eventually each next-highest tier in the tax bracket 'moves up' (but not really, since they aren't any better off) as the wealthiest leave the country. So again, then what happens? Eventually alongee becomes the highest earner, and it doesn't necessarily mean he/she is actually any wealthier, he/she is just the wealthiest of the remaining poor. And everyone poorer than him/her is saying, "We need to raise taxes on alongee, because she has the most money." F'ing karma, right?
That's why taxing the richest people [more] doesn't work in the long run. Eventually, you become the "richest." Remember that the income tax was supposed to only apply to the top 2%. Now how many people pay income taxes?
But if you only think that Ron Paul is wrong about one thing, then it shouldn't take you too long to come around. Welcome to the forums, just remember to keep your mind open.
Last edited by nobody's_hero; 05-01-2012 at 05:36 AM.
If something bad happens, we will be blamed. If something good happens, we will get no credit. If nothing happens, we will be forgotten.
While its true the U.S. spends more dollars than every other country on defense and military, but when you compare those spending numbers to each countries GDP, we technically don't spend all the much more. There are 12 countries, most in Africa, that spend far more more as a percentage of their GDP on the military than us. That is how you compare apples to apples. The chart above is misleading. We spend about 6% give or take on the militay per GDP yet countries like China and many others spend around 4%. There is a world wide map of this online for those that want to do a search. I think wiki has it.How about for every dollar of tax increases you want, we stop bombing brown people and cut back here?
If you include wars and HSD we are probably spending a little more which we could cut back on but it's not the root cause of our deficits, it is discrentionary spending which has gone up 3 fold in the last 50 years while military spending has gone down 2 fold. During WWII fed spending on military was about 50% of the budget. Today it's about 22%.
Last edited by Liberty74; 05-01-2012 at 06:03 AM.
Be responsible. Take care of yourself. Don't tread on other people. Slow down. Question everything. Start now.
"Everything the State says is a lie and everything it has it has stolen" - Friedrich Nietzsche
Yeah that's what we need...more extortion of our successful neighbors. LOL.
How about we quit advocating extortion of our neighbors and start advocating less spending and less extortion of everyone.
There is a "fair" tax rate..it's 0%.
"My goal is to expose the anarchist philosophy for what it is... a lie." - Travlyr
"You guys have been lying to your recruits for years. Rothbard advocates for minimal government..." - Travlyr
"As far as I'm concerned, and I think the rest of the movement, too, we are anarcho-capitalists. In other words, we believe that capitalism is the fullest expression of anarchism, and anarchism is the fullest expression of capitalism." - Rothbard
Those citizens also have property rights. If you don't like how they DON'T like being told how to use their property, you can leave too.
Military spending as a percentage of GDP is meaningless. If the US GDP tripled this year, should we triple defense spending, just to keep it proportional?
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