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    Ron Paul is wrong on one major thing...tax rates for the top bracket must be increased.

    That top rate should be in the 66% range at all times. Why do you think the United States was able to build the interstate highway system in the 1950's? Maybe the higher marginal tax rates led to higher revenue? What a concept. The nerve of conservatives crying about deficits when the deficit exploded under Reagan & Bush 2 because of their tax cuts. You hate deficits? Quit bitchin about taxes. Tax revenue closes deficits.

    The figures are here: http://ntu.org/tax-basics/history-of...ividual-1.html

    We need to increase the tax rate on the top bracket in order to end deficits.



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    Or decrease spending..why is that so hard to understand

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melissa View Post
    Or decrease spending..why is that so hard to understand
    this
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    Quote Originally Posted by alongee View Post
    That top rate should be in the 66% range at all times. Why do you think the United States was able to build the interstate highway system in the 1950's? Maybe the higher marginal tax rates led to higher revenue? What a concept. The nerve of conservatives crying about deficits when the deficit exploded under Reagan & Bush 2 because of their tax cuts. You hate deficits? Quit bitchin about taxes. Tax revenue closes deficits.

    The figures are here: http://ntu.org/tax-basics/history-of...ividual-1.html

    We need to increase the tax rate on the top bracket in order to end deficits.
    You can still decrease deficits, build highways, and lower taxes at the same time if you simply reduced wasteful spending and forced the government to be more efficient.

    Its not as simple as do we lower or raise taxes. What needs to be done is for the president to learn some management skills and force our government to be more efficient.

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    Why would you advocate theft? 66%?! what right do you have to their wealth? none.

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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    Why would you advocate theft? 66%?! what right do you have to their wealth? none.
    They're citizens, and are part of this country. If they don't like it, leave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alongee View Post
    They're citizens, and are part of this country.
    And that makes theft ok?

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    Quote Originally Posted by alongee View Post
    They're citizens, and are part of this country. If they don't like it, leave.
    But then what happens when you lose revenue? If you scare all the rich people away, that won't fix your budget, it will make it worse.



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    Quote Originally Posted by alongee
    They're citizens, and are part of this country. If they don't like it, leave.
    Quote Originally Posted by bluesc View Post
    But then what happens when you lose revenue? If you scare all the rich people away, that won't fix your budget, it will make it worse.
    Yep, to build on what bluesc said:

    The top bracket people will leave the country, and take their wealth with them. Then what happens? Eventually each next-highest tier in the tax bracket 'moves up' (but not really, since they aren't any better off) as the wealthiest leave the country. So again, then what happens? Eventually alongee becomes the highest earner, and it doesn't necessarily mean he/she is actually any wealthier, he/she is just the wealthiest of the remaining poor. And everyone poorer than him/her is saying, "We need to raise taxes on alongee, because she has the most money." F'ing karma, right?

    That's why taxing the richest people [more] doesn't work in the long run. Eventually, you become the "richest." Remember that the income tax was supposed to only apply to the top 2%. Now how many people pay income taxes?

    But if you only think that Ron Paul is wrong about one thing, then it shouldn't take you too long to come around. Welcome to the forums, just remember to keep your mind open.
    Last edited by nobody's_hero; 05-01-2012 at 05:36 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    This is getting silly.
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    It started silly.
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    Technically what he's saying is right, we should decrease spending as the priority because taxation is theft, however it is equally immoral to spend at a deficit WITHOUT raising taxes because it shifts the burden on the next generation.

    Btw your "if you don't like it then leave" analogy is unsound, by that logic I can knock everyone's mailbox down in my neighborhood with a baseball bat and just say if they don't like it leave.
    Last edited by nano1895; 04-30-2012 at 08:52 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alongee View Post
    If they don't like it, leave.
    If only that was a way out. Problem is is the US is the only country in the world that still taxes its citizens living abroad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Restore America Now View Post
    If only that was a way out. Problem is is the US is the only country in the world that still taxes its citizens living abroad.
    Give up your citizenship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alongee View Post
    Give up your citizenship.
    alongee, Can you please address my question? How did you arrive at 66%? What amount of revenue in numbers are you looking for the government to confiscate each year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by alongee View Post
    Give up your citizenship.
    I've got a novel idea. How about 0%? You don't like it? LEAVE! Give up your citizenship, hater.

    Well, I'm glad we discussed this important topic. Thanks for the opportunity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alongee View Post
    They're citizens, and are part of this country. If they don't like it, leave.

    Have you ever tried to leave the country and denounce your citizenship? The bureaucratic loops you have to jump through make it extremely hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alongee View Post
    They're citizens, and are part of this country. If they don't like it, leave.

    If we don't like it, we'll change it.

    If you like living in a socialist state, there are several countries in Europe you're welcome to try.



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    Quote Originally Posted by KCIndy View Post
    If we don't like it, we'll change it.

    If you like living in a socialist state, there are several countries in Europe you're welcome to try.
    Meh, we're just as socialist, if not more.

    The only difference is they get fast trains, and museums and a minimal form of "health care".

    All we get for our trillions of dollars is war and a high tech surveillance grid.

    Joy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alongee View Post
    They're citizens, and are part of this country. If they don't like it, leave.
    So you'd rather people take 100% of their wealth, philanthropy, and job creation out of the country than admit that they shouldn't be taxed at a rate higher than anyone else?

    Sounds like a recipe for economic disaster to me...

    (and please take your "if you don't like it, leave" talk elsewhere, It's my property and I'd like to keep it and keep close range to my family, friends, and career. You don't own that stuff, I do. So If I don't like your rules, how I about I just keep my property and tell you to get your rules off my land?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by alongee View Post
    They're citizens, and are part of this country. If they don't like it, leave.
    you can leave our money alone and leave .

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainAmerica View Post
    you can leave our money alone and leave .
    +1
    Last edited by psi2941; 05-01-2012 at 04:19 AM.
    Rand Benedict Paul.
    Not only did he sell us out, this douche bag did it to his own father! I'm more upset him selling his father out. I don't care who i think is going to win i would never sell my father out. If his willing to sell his father out what else is for sale?

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    Quote Originally Posted by alongee View Post
    They're citizens, and are part of this country. If they don't like it, leave.
    Those citizens also have property rights. If you don't like how they DON'T like being told how to use their property, you can leave too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alongee View Post
    They're citizens, and are part of this country. If they don't like it, leave.
    Or maybe if you want that high of a tax rate you can leave.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alongee View Post
    They're citizens, and are part of this country. If they don't like it, leave.
    Yeah, run all the major job creators overseas. That's a wonderful plan that has worked oh so well in the past.


    /sarcasm

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    Quote Originally Posted by alongee View Post
    Maybe the higher marginal tax rates led to higher revenue? What a concept.
    Maybe lower spending would lead to decreased deficits? What a concept.



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    Quote Originally Posted by alongee View Post
    That top rate should be in the 66% range at all times. Why do you think the United States was able to build the interstate highway system in the 1950's? Maybe the higher marginal tax rates led to higher revenue? What a concept. The nerve of conservatives crying about deficits when the deficit exploded under Reagan & Bush 2 because of their tax cuts. You hate deficits? Quit bitchin about taxes. Tax revenue closes deficits.

    The figures are here: http://ntu.org/tax-basics/history-of...ividual-1.html

    We need to increase the tax rate on the top bracket in order to end deficits.
    How about for every dollar of tax increases you want, we stop bombing brown people and cut back here?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Havax View Post
    How about for every dollar of tax increases you want, we stop bombing brown people and cut back here?

    That won't fix everything. You still have to increase taxes on the rich, or else the deficits won't go away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alongee View Post
    That won't fix everything. You still have to increase taxes on the rich, or else the deficits won't go away.
    Instead of speaking in platitudes, why don't you tell me the amount of revenue you think raising tax levels on the "rich" to 66% would bring in? I guarantee you I can find an equal amount of spending cuts to compensate the difference. I live near DC and work with many people who are contractors to the government or work for the government. I absolutely guarantee you that you'd be sick to your stomach if you had any idea the amount of waste and worthless jobs/departments that are on the federal level.

    What's the amount of additional revenue you want? It's almost like a religious obsession with people wanting to tax the rich these days. Give me numbers, why 66%?

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    Quote Originally Posted by alongee View Post
    That won't fix everything. You still have to increase taxes on the rich, or else the deficits won't go away.
    Or you could eliminate wasteful spending. Have you even considered that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by alongee View Post
    That won't fix everything. You still have to increase taxes on the rich, or else the deficits won't go away.
    That's not true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havax View Post
    How about for every dollar of tax increases you want, we stop bombing brown people and cut back here?

    While its true the U.S. spends more dollars than every other country on defense and military, but when you compare those spending numbers to each countries GDP, we technically don't spend all the much more. There are 12 countries, most in Africa, that spend far more more as a percentage of their GDP on the military than us. That is how you compare apples to apples. The chart above is misleading. We spend about 6% give or take on the militay per GDP yet countries like China and many others spend around 4%. There is a world wide map of this online for those that want to do a search. I think wiki has it.

    If you include wars and HSD we are probably spending a little more which we could cut back on but it's not the root cause of our deficits, it is discrentionary spending which has gone up 3 fold in the last 50 years while military spending has gone down 2 fold. During WWII fed spending on military was about 50% of the budget. Today it's about 22%.
    Last edited by Liberty74; 05-01-2012 at 06:03 AM.
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