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    Exclamation As a business owner or employer, just what the hell is supposed to be done here?

    When regulations attack.

    And I am aware of any possible inconsistencies, WRT to my stances on employer mandated drug tests and other such things.

    And WTF?

    Paprika?

    For all those who support banning smoking in homes and apartments, should this woman have the right to remove paprika from my kitchen cabinets?


    “Ex-Worker Sues City Over Service Dog For Paprika Allergy”

    by Walter Olson on April 19, 2012

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    “A former city worker is suing Indianapolis after she claims the city failed to accommodate the service dog she needs due to her severe allergy to paprika.” The city had already removed certain foods from its vending machines but declined to accept a service dog as reasonable accommodation under the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) because a co-worker was allergic to dogs.
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    youhad to make me go look, didn't you. i thought, nah, what...this has got to be joke

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    Well its civil service, so tax payout for all.

    Now if this was private employer, Vaseline and thank you sir may i have another would likely be in order.
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    Since our company never has any job openings, we don't have employment law and regulation issues.
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    The situation is onerous enough that unless your business is very highly profitable, or you're getting a special deal from the government that lightens the economic load of regulations & taxes, there is little incentive to hire anyone. With so few businesses hiring for so few positions, fewer payroll taxes are being paid, worsening the financial position of programs like SS and Medicare, neither of which was in good shape to begin with. This makes the Keynesian morons demand higher taxes and more printed money, making businesses want to hire even less (or go out of business), lessening tax revenue, etc. in a vicious cycle that can destroy the whole economy.
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    I laugh at all the "comfort" animals now allowed (outside of kennels) in the cabin of the commercial airline aircraft.

    I'm kinda allergic to cats and dogs, what about me, wah!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    When regulations attack.

    And I am aware of any possible inconsistencies, WRT to my stances on employer mandated drug tests and other such things.

    And WTF?

    Paprika?

    For all those who support banning smoking in homes and apartments, should this woman have the right to remove paprika from my kitchen cabinets?


    “Ex-Worker Sues City Over Service Dog For Paprika Allergy”

    by Walter Olson on April 19, 2012

    http://overlawyered.com/2012/04/ex-w...prika-allergy/

    “A former city worker is suing Indianapolis after she claims the city failed to accommodate the service dog she needs due to her severe allergy to paprika.” The city had already removed certain foods from its vending machines but declined to accept a service dog as reasonable accommodation under the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) because a co-worker was allergic to dogs.
    What is this about? The most I can make out is that she is suing the city because she worked there and paprika caused her to have an allergic reaction, and somehow a dog is involved. I really don't get what this story is about. Can someone clarify it for me?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulConventionWV View Post
    What is this about? The most I can make out is that she is suing the city because she worked there and paprika caused her to have an allergic reaction, and somehow a dog is involved. I really don't get what this story is about. Can someone clarify it for me?
    I read a little more, here's a thumbnail:

    Woman has paprika allergy.

    Woman needs service dog to, I'm assuming, sniff out paprika, before it gets close enough to her that she turns into Violet Beauregarde or some damn thing.

    Woman is denied permission to bring service dog to work, because another worker is allergic to dogs, thus opening up another can of regulatory worms.

    Woman with paprika allergy sues.

    Woman is city worker so taxpayers will end up paying.

    Employer is faced with a regulatory Catch22.

    Do I get sued by the paprika allergy woman or the dog allergy woman?
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    regulations like.... fair trade policies???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I read a little more, here's a thumbnail:

    Woman has paprika allergy.

    Woman needs service dog to, I'm assuming, sniff out paprika, before it gets close enough to her that she turns into Violet Beauregarde or some damn thing.

    Woman is denied permission to bring service dog to work, because another worker is allergic to dogs, thus opening up another can of regulatory worms.

    Woman with paprika allergy sues.

    Woman is city worker so taxpayers will end up paying.

    Employer is faced with a regulatory Catch22.

    Do I get sued by the paprika allergy woman or the dog allergy woman?
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    I don't get this at all
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warrior_of_Freedom View Post
    I don't get this at all
    Just another story that won't make national news.
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    This is BS! If you want to work then work or get out!

    There's always a bargaining-process unfolding in the market, if someone wants to work then they should choose that if not then someone else will do it, UNLESS their labor is worth making accommodations for but again, these things are better sorted on the private market, that's why this stuff be funded voluntarily than through taxes

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    regulations like.... fair trade policies???

    You know, that's the problem, most people don't have a problem with "regulations" & violating others' liberties so long as they THINK they're going to get a (real or perceived) benefit out of it but only when a "regulation" impinges on their liberties do they care but don't mind them violating others' liberties anyway

    People often talk about tyrannical governments but as Ron Paul said, people get the kind of government they deserve & that's true, when you have many self-centered people who don't mind violating others' liberties for (real or perceived) benefit then tyranny is inevitable

    And unfortunately plenty of such hypocrisy goes around on these forums, they'll moan about the regulations hurting our liberties but they'll support regulations that they THINK will benefit them
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warrior_of_Freedom View Post
    I don't get this at all
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    Under the ADA, an employer is required to make "reasonable" accommodation. "Reasonable" is one of those mushy words that has no real legal meaning separate of the circumstances. However, it cannot be said that a "reasonable" accommodation is one that endangers the health of another employee who already works there. At the same time, if the service had regular relationships with blind people who needed service dogs, firing the woman who was allergic to dogs would also be "reasonable".

    Either way, the employer should win the lawsuit and I wouldn't touch it knowing just the facts posted here.

    ETA: As for the political argument going on, I'm only in favor of regulations that ensure all people are treated equally at businesses if they can pay/perform the work. However, I am a left leaning Republican right now so I know many might be reasonable in disagreeing with me in that regard.
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    As a business owner, my policy is... keep everyone happy. And get insurance. Lots of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    “A former city worker is suing Indianapolis after she claims the city failed to accommodate the service dog she needs due to her severe allergy to paprika.” The city had already removed certain foods from its vending machines but declined to accept a service dog as reasonable accommodation under the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) because a co-worker was allergic to dogs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    I laugh at all the "comfort" animals now allowed (outside of kennels) in the cabin of the commercial airline aircraft.

    I'm kinda allergic to cats and dogs, what about me, wah!
    Flame away, but I'm of the mindset that people with allergies need to stay home, as their mere existence is an excessive burden on society.
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    Hookworms or raw milk will clear those allergies right up. No one should have to make special, permanent concessions for a reversible malady.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pauljmccain View Post
    As a business owner, my policy is... keep everyone happy. And get insurance. Lots of it.
    Good luck with the former, and agree on the latter. Some of us can't afford excess insurance though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Flame away, but I'm of the mindset that people with allergies need to stay home, as their mere existence is an excessive burden on society.
    They need to stop being wimps. Or else it's the vaccines fucking people up badly, one or the other.

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    If they were both my employees, I would ask them which of you will sue me if I accomodate the other?

    Any who say yes will be layed off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Flame away, but I'm of the mindset that people with allergies need to stay home, as their mere existence is an excessive burden on society.
    Eugenitisist's would agree with this mentality

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Flame away, but I'm of the mindset that people with allergies need to stay home, as their mere existence is an excessive burden on society.
    Most people are allergic to something or another. I'm particularly allergic to grasses and dust. People with allergies aren't really a "burden on society" unless they make themselves such by making absurd demands. It could easily be argued that women are more of a "burden to society" than allergy sufferers.

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    • Number of people in the U.S. who have either allergy or asthma symptoms: one in five.
    • Percentage of the U.S. population that tests positive to one or more allergens: 55%.
    • I don't think it's practical to make that many people stay home, do you?
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    Call the cops , they can shoot the dog , confiscate all paprika , problem solved .

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    Call the cops , they can shoot the dog , confiscate all paprika , problem solved .
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    The ADA is the WORST of the Federal "Civil Rights" laws. It is extremely broad and very expensive to implement. Thanks George Bush Senior.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Titus View Post
    ETA: As for the political argument going on, I'm only in favor of regulations that ensure all people are treated equally at businesses if they can pay/perform the work. However, I am a left leaning Republican right now so I know many might be reasonable in disagreeing with me in that regard.
    You think GOVERNMENT should be empowered to determine how every employee and every customer in the entire marketplace is treated by every other person in the marketplace and use force to correct what the government deems to be unfair treatment in each instance? Do you really think that is a workable plan?

    Or let's take it from another angle. Do you think government should be able to force you to associate with people you don't like? Do you think government should be able to prevent you, by force, from quitting a job?
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    I'm only in favor of regulations that ensure all people are treated equally at businesses if they can pay/perform
    Good job enforcing that without causing massive issues *cough*affirmativeaction*cough*.

    You think GOVERNMENT should be empowered to determine how every employee and every customer in the entire marketplace is treated by every other person in the marketplace and use force to correct what the government deems to be unfair treatment in each instance? Do you really think that is a workable plan?
    +rep

    Do you think government should be able to force you to associate with people you don't like? Do you think government should be able to prevent you, by force, from quitting a job?
    Hahaha, yeah, I make that argument with people all the time. Government regulation theories all fall apart when you think of employers as employees and providers as customers. Which they are, since all associations or transactions are voluntary.

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