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    Exclamation Cop Shoots Dog: Untrained Officers Commit 'Puppycide'

    A slideshow of dogs killed by cops.

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    Cop Shoots Dog: Untrained Officers Commit 'Puppycide' (PHOTOS)

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    Last week, Austin, Texas, Police Chief Art Acevedo publicly apologized to Michael Paxton over the death of his dog Cisco. Paxton was playing fetch with the Australian cattle dog mix in his backyard when a police officer pulled into the driveway in response to a 911 call. The officer had the wrong house.

    When Paxton left the yard to get something from his truck, he said the officer confronted him. Cisco ran around from the back, toward the officer. The officer simultaneously ordered Paxton to put his hands in the air and to restrain his dog. The officer then shot the dog.

    Cisco's death made national news. Paxton's Facebook page detailing the killing and calling for a reprimand of the officer, has generated more than 100,000 "likes." But Paxton isn't the first dog owner whose pet has been shot to death by police. A search of news articles from the past year shows more than 100 separate incidents.

    There are no national records of dogs shot by cops. There isn't even good national data on the number of people shot by police. As a result, there's no way to tell if pet killings by police are increasing in frequency.

    The increased attention may be due to awareness or to news outlets more likely to report them. Pet owners also can publicize the incidents through social media. And with public surveillance, cell phone cameras, and security cameras, there is more likely to be video of a shooting. Sites that include "Dogs That Cops Killed" and the Facebook group "Dogs Shot by Police" track new incidents and allow grieving owners to share stories. The activism site Change.org also now includes calls for action in similar cases, with petitions like "Justice for Big Boy," and "Justice for Bud."

    (I want to think that I have played a small role in this increased awareness. - AF)

    When police officers shoot dogs, departments usually deem the shooting justified if the officer felt threatened by the animal. But an officer's perception doesn't always mean the animal actually was a threat. In recent years, police officers have shot and killed chihuahuas, miniature dachshunds, Wheaton terriers, and Jack Russell terriers. Last month, a California police officer shot and killed a boxer puppy and pregnant chihuahua, claiming the boxer had threatened him. The chihuahua, he said, got caught in the crossfire. When a San Bernardino, Calif., woman called police to report a burglary in progress behind her house last month, they responded, jumped her fence to confront the burglars, then shot her dalmatian mix, Julio. He survived. Police officers have also recently shot dogs that were chained, tied, or leashed -- obviously posing no real threat to officers who killed them.

    Given how often police officers encounter pets, one would think training for handling dogs would be common. An officer untrained in recognizing a dog's body language, for example, could easily mistake a bounding dog from a charging one, a nervous dog from an angry one, or an aggressive dog from one that's merely territorial. Groups like the Humane Society and the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals offer free training to police departments, but both organizations said few departments take them up on the offer. New York, Los Angeles, Chicago and Seattle are among departments that don't provide regular training to officers on how to respond to dogs.

    Contrast that to the U.S. Postal Service, another government organization whose employees regularly come into contact with pets. A Postal Service spokesman said in a 2009 interview that serious dog attacks on mail carriers are extremely rare. That's likely because postal workers are annually shown a two-hour video and given further training on "how to distract dogs with toys, subdue them with voice commands, or, at worst, incapacitate them with Mace."

    In drug raids, killing any dog in the house has become almost perfunctory.

    (Waco set the bar for this type of SOP. Who shot first at the church in Waco has never been in question. The ATF rolled up on the property and, long before they got to the church and dorm buildings, they executed a number of dogs and farm animals that were in kennels and pens in the front of the property. - AF)

    In this video of a 2008 drug raid in Columbia, Mo., you can see police kill two dogs, including one as it retreats. Despite police assurance that the dogs were menacing, the video depicts the officers discussing who will kill the dogs before they even arrive at the house. During a raid in Durham, N.C., last year, police shot and killed a black Lab they claimed "appeared to growl and make aggressive moves." But in video of the raid taken by a local news station, the dog appears to make no such gestures.

    Many criminals -- particularly drug dealers -- protect themselves with aggressive dogs trained to attack intruders. But shooting the animals as a matter of procedure can sometimes be dangerous to police.

    During a 2008 raid in Lima, Ohio, one officer heard his fellow officer shooting dogs in the home and mistook the shots for hostile gunfire. Thinking he was under attack, he opened fire at shadows coming from an upstairs bedroom. In that room, 24-year-old Tarika Wilson was on her knees, as she had been instructed, with one hand in the air and her other arm holding her year-old son. Wilson was killed, and the boy lost a hand.

    During a 2007 raid in Stockton, Calif., a police officer inadvertently wounded Kari Bailey, 23, and her 5-year-old daughter Hailey while trying to kill the family dog. (The police had shown up at the wrong address.) Last month, one officer firing at pit bulls in Minneapolis accidentally shot a fellow cop.

    Below, HuffPost has assembled a slide show of cop-shoots-dog incidents from the last several years, as well as the results of our efforts to see if the police departments involved provide training in the handling of dogs.
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    I'm pretty certain pigs have an instinctual fear of dogs. Fortunately pigs lack the proper digits to operate a firearm, unfortunately cops not only have the proper digits but seem over eager to use them. Im hurting real bad inside right now.
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    Dogs are very good judges of character.

    Also the human odor of fear smells to a dog like the scent another dog gives of when it's aggressive. (Ever wonder why dogs bristle at people who are afraid of them?)

    So there's justification for people of poor character to fear dogs.

    I can honestly say of the dogs-n-cops I've met.....I hold the majority of dogs in higher esteem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by azxd View Post
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    We're getting desensitized to this shit.

    "oh look, AF posted a new thread titled 'MI-Dog killed by Cop'. Let me guess, a cop shot a sleeping puppy in fear of his life, gets a paid vacation if anything, and that's it. Move along. "

    I don't even bother half the time, as the spike in blood pressure isn't worth the potential aneurysm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    (I want to think that I have played a small role in this increased awareness. - AF)

    You have for me. Thx.


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    It's a sad subject. It's not controversial. It's starting to seem common. The reason for few replies is not for lack of care. It has even been discussed that people care more about innocent dogs being killed than innocent people being killed, and that seems to be the case.
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    And for the record, I'm equally disgusted by the way police often lie. I can understand that police make mistakes, but the lies after the fact are not mistakes. That seems to be their default mode.
    We have allies many of you are not aware of. Watch the tube. Show this to your 30 and under friends. Listen to it. Even if you don't like rap, it has 2.7 million views.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmBnvajSfWU#t=0m16s

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    I remember Rush bitching around 20 years back about a man having a heart attack in his yard with his dogs while the medics and LE were unable to help him while he, "assumed room temperature."

    Times sure have changed. I guess no one considered giving cops tranquilizer guns for dogs, just 450 million more rounds of hollow point 40 caliber for homeland security? boo!
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    Quote Originally Posted by azxd View Post
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    And this makes you happy?

    You know, you're right, it ain't worth it, fuck it.

    I'm done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    And this makes you happy?

    You know, you're right, it ain't worth it, fuck it.

    I'm done.
    NO YOU ARE NOT!

    Find another article and post it, it'll make us both feel better.

    We know he is wrong. People don't talk about it because they're afraid of being shot for no reason, like the dogs. Or because it is just common knowledge at this point.

    I call this a great success. The story that this is an epidemic made it to Huffington Post, one of the cheerleaders?

    And yes, this is largely because of your efforts, and those of others that I am sure you are aware of.

    This was a triumph.
    I'm making a note here: HUGE SUCCESS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by azxd View Post
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    To be honest, I find every pro-cop post by azxd to be leg-slapping hilarious.

    It's like a pro-liberty person trying to play the devil's advocate, by making the worst of arguments, to make the other side appear less fundamentally sound.

    Hilarious.

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    I read every one of these posts, I'm just often too pissed off or depressed after reading to bother posting

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    And the first slide looks like AF's doggie.

    eta: over 2,500 comments now. Suck it, azxd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kluge View Post
    And the first slide looks like AF's doggie.

    eta: over 2,500 comments now. Suck it, azxd.
    That was Rosie the Newfie dog.



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    Have any of these Uniformed Idiots ever seen one single episode of Dog Whisperer?

    No touch, no talk, no eye contact.

    What is so hard for them to understand about that? Well, unless they are walking into a situation with the intention of causing problems that would provoke and anger the dogs to begin with. Keep in mind that these same cops that shoot dogs will be the same cops that shoot you, your kids or your dog if you are ever confronted by one of them. They need to be held accountable for their actions as a Badge is not simply a license to commit crimes and get out of jail free every time card.

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    There will be hell to pay if anyone ever shoots my dog for no good reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flugel89 View Post
    I read every one of these posts, I'm just often too pissed off or depressed after reading to bother posting
    You and everyone else. AF, don't make us violate the NAP by forcing you to keep posting.

    Pretend azxd is only trolling, and it becomes the thread's comedic relief.

    ...believe he actually believes what he says, and it's even funnier that he 1) actually believes that in the first place and 2) actually thinks he can win people over to his side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2 View Post
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    It's a sad subject. It's not controversial. It's starting to seem common. The reason for few replies is not for lack of care. It has even been discussed that people care more about innocent dogs being killed than innocent people being killed, and that seems to be the case
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    +1 I just don't know what to say about these sort of things that I haven't said before. In an ideal world, the cops would be dismantled in favor of a more rational method of enforcing law. (I'm not going to get into what should happen, but there's got to be a better way-as human nature hasn't changed over the last 200+ years, but in ye olden days law enforcement agents just didn't do this-and people had big dogs back then, too)
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    Quote Originally Posted by azxd View Post
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    if you dont like his posts you should simply put him on ignore because you are starting to make yourself look like an ass with childish posts like this . -rep , awaiting retalitory -rep
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    And this makes you happy?

    You know, you're right, it ain't worth it, fuck it.

    I'm done.
    Please do not stop posting these articles. I've forwarded countless articles and links you've shared to numerous individuals.

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    AF, you provide an indispensable service to these forums by keeping us informed of these police abuses. I can only speak for myself, but sometimes, the frustration with the current state of things, coupled with a crushing sense of futility, keeps me pretty close-lipped on this topic. It's just too tragic for me to entertain the thought any longer than I have to.

    I'll say this though...I have a dog - not a pitbull or anything scary like that, just a little Jack Russell mix - and I fear for his safety every day. If they'll shoot a Corgi (one of the gentlest and best-natured breeds out there), I don't really think any dog is safe around the blue light gang anymore.
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    Thank people, much appreciated.

    My post was just pique and frustration.

    I'll keep soldiering on, as I'm sure all of you will as well.

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    What can you say anymore on the internet about these things that WON'T get you put on a list of some kind?

    1. Those cops suck ass.
    2. Those cops must not be pet owners.
    3. I can't say anything else, otherwise it can and will be used against me in a court of law.


    Don't stop posting, AF. You have no idea whose eyes you've opened. We have thousands of people strolling through this part of the interwebs everyday, and everyday they see more and more of these threads. People are putting shit together, albeit much more slowly than we need them to, but it's coming together, and you're an intregal part of that. We all are. It's almost as if we are the remnant set to remind the rest of what they're losing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kylie View Post
    What can you say anymore on the internet about these things that WON'T get you put on a list of some kind?

    1. Those cops suck ass.
    2. Those cops must not be pet owners.
    3. I can't say anything else, otherwise it can and will be used against me in a court of law.


    Don't stop posting, AF. You have no idea whose eyes you've opened. We have thousands of people strolling through this part of the interwebs everyday, and everyday they see more and more of these threads. People are putting shit together, albeit much more slowly than we need them to, but it's coming together, and you're an intregal part of that. We all are. It's almost as if we are the remnant set to remind the rest of what they're losing.
    I'm pretty sure everyone on these boards is on a list of some sort. Like the AF quote in my sig says, "this whole board is a thoughtcrime in progress".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Thank people, much appreciated.

    My post was just pique and frustration.

    I'll keep soldiering on, as I'm sure all of you will as well.
    +1. As a libertarian/semi-objectivist (I don't like the IP stuff), I used to think we needed the police (stop violent crime). Now, I am more of a voluntaryist and believe we ought to fund our security thru voluntary means or go without or exercise self-reliance.

    This forum is changing people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Free Hornet View Post
    +1. As a libertarian/semi-objectivist (I don't like the IP stuff), I used to think we needed the police (stop violent crime). Now, I am more of a voluntaryist and believe we ought to fund our security thru voluntary means or go without or exercise self-reliance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    a California police officer shot and killed a boxer puppy and pregnant chihuahua, claiming the boxer had threatened him. The chihuahua, he said, got caught in the crossfire.
    Crossfire? Crossfire? So the boxer puppy was packin' heat? What did it do - use the chihuahua as a "canine" shield while popping off rounds at the cop?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    In this video of a 2008 drug raid in Columbia, Mo., you can see police kill two dogs, including one as it retreats. Despite police assurance that the dogs were menacing, the video depicts the officers discussing who will kill the dogs before they even arrive at the house.
    Given the willingness of police to blatantly lie about something as relatively "minor" as the unnecessary killing of household pets (as demonstrated in the matter bolded above), what can we conclude about their willingness to lie (& to back up each other's lies) when it comes to unnecessary abuse &/or killing of people (when even more is at stake ... career-, criminal- & civil-liability-wise)?

    (That is what is known as a rhetorical question. I think we all know the answer ...)
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    How often do we hear about our dogs getting shot by pigs? From my estimation it's at least once a month right? I am so sick of it and I fear for my two dogs who I love like my own kids. God forbid that I get served with a warrant for a speedin ticket or something stupud or someone calls the cops for "help" and htey wind up shooting my dogs. It might be the end of me too because I will attack the cop who does it and probably get shot myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BuddyRey View Post
    AF, you provide an indispensable service to these forums by keeping us informed of these police abuses. I can only speak for myself, but sometimes, the frustration with the current state of things, coupled with a crushing sense of futility, keeps me pretty close-lipped on this topic. It's just too tragic for me to entertain the thought any longer than I have to.

    I'll say this though...I have a dog - not a pitbull or anything scary like that, just a little Jack Russell mix - and I fear for his safety every day. If they'll shoot a Corgi (one of the gentlest and best-natured breeds out there), I don't really think any dog is safe around the blue light gang anymore.
    PFFT! Corgi's are PURE EVIL!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghengis86 View Post
    We're getting desensitized to this shit.
    "oh look, AF posted a new thread titled 'MI-Dog killed by Cop'. Let me guess, a cop shot a sleeping puppy in fear of his life, gets a paid vacation if anything, and that's it. Move along. "

    I don't even bother half the time, as the spike in blood pressure isn't worth the potential aneurysm.
    This. I can't say anything that I have not already said in another thread. AF knows how I (and the majority of others who view yet don't always respond) feel.
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