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    Mmmkay, question:

    Is there anything on Thomas Massie and sanctions?

    I would really like to hear that he is against them. I gave to Rand in 2010 and was not pleased with his first vote in favor of sanctions on Iran. YES, I know he more recently blocked a different sanctions bill from being passed quickly in the Senate, and I'm glad he did that.

    I read that Massie is closer to Rand than to Ron on foreign policy.

    Let me know, Massie fans...



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    Fair question

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    I don't think he has articulated his position on this yet (and I don't think he needs to in the primary at this point....my opinion).

    But, will he be a reliably anti-war vote in congress? Yes.

    Would Ron Paul so strongly support someone who disagreed with him on foreign policy? No way.

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    Here is something to chew on from Thomas' issue page:

    I am opposed to bailouts, corporate subsidies, undeclared wars, and so called stimulus spending — on economic, moral, and constitutional grounds.
    Thomas understands the war issue from moral grounds like Ron does. Its not just a "fiscal issue" for him. Whatever political posturing he must do in this campaign notwithstanding, I do think Thomas is one of us and understands liberty from the moral standpoint. My 2 cents...

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    You can't be for or against sanctions without knowing the circumstances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TruthisTreason View Post
    You can't be for or against sanctions without knowing the circumstances.
    Interesting. Please explain. Don't sanctions hurt the people of the target country much more than its government?

    In any case, I threw $15 in the hat for Thomas Massie just now. I know he probably won't be giving a bunch of speeches on non-interventionism during the race; it's hard to do that in Kentucky and win. But I expect y'all to raise Cain with me if there's a sanctions vote and he goes the wrong way on it. Ron Paul set the bar high. We can't give anybody a free pass.

    Good luck, Mr. Massie. I'm expecting great things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldsmobile98 View Post
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    Interesting. Please explain. Don't sanctions hurt the people of the target country much more than its government?

    In any case, I threw $15 in the hat for Thomas Massie just now. I know he probably won't be giving a bunch of speeches on non-interventionism during the race; it's hard to do that in Kentucky and win. But I expect y'all to raise Cain with me if there's a sanctions vote and he goes the wrong way on it. Ron Paul set the bar high. We can't give anybody a free pass.

    Good luck, Mr. Massie. I'm expecting great things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sola_Fide View Post
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    Thanks! And sorry about the extra "the" at the beginning. ; ) I'm typing on my phone. It's edited now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldsmobile98 View Post
    Interesting. Please explain. Don't sanctions hurt the people of the target country much more than its government?
    I'll go out on a limb, but I assume Thomas supports just war. So assuming a country is doing certain things that would lead to a "just war" one would think a liberty candidate would support sanctions in an attempt to stop a war. However, history does show that most sanctions only punished the people (non-military) and usually helped provoke the war. Anyway, there could be a case where sanctions could stop a war, and if we have a chance to stop a war, we should attempt to stop it, imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TruthisTreason View Post
    I'll go out on a limb, but I assume Thomas supports just war. So assuming a country is doing certain things that would lead to a "just war" one would think a liberty candidate would support sanctions in an attempt to stop a war. However, history does show that most sanctions only punished the people (non-military) and usually helped provoke the war. Anyway, there could be a case where sanctions could stop a war, and if we have a chance to stop a war, we should attempt to stop it, imo.
    Let me see if I've got this right... history shows that sanctions harm civilians and provoke war. So in an attempt to prevent war, we should enact sanctions.

    That is literally the definition of insanity.
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