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    Quote Originally Posted by randomname View Post
    This doesn't even make sense. LOL
    Crazy thread is crazy.
    Your source forgot to mention both Ron and Rand are shape-shifting lizards.
    • Negativity is ignorance, and ignorance is your own personal tyranny. It tells you how to act, how to talk, how to think, and what to feel. You will never see a world without tyrants until you release your own. ~Honored to be Among You

    How does Ron stay so calm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackTerrel View Post
    But what if there's a terror attack and suddenly Ron Paul is the one calling the shots? I don't believe he'll stand behind him for long. He'll do business by attacking "the man" not supporting him. I saw it with a select few with Obama as well.
    You know what? The Bible says answer not a fool according to his folly. So I'll let you have the last word. You have absolutely no intelligent reason to claim Alex Jones would attack a president Paul. You're just trolling. Have fun doing it by yourself.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Eze 22:25 There's a conspiracy of prophets within her....

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

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    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.

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    actually Henry is a very intelligent guy ... I've tried to back him off this angle as I feel he has gone too far IMO ... still he offers much good information and is is fighting the fight as he sees it ... my hope is he gets back to his original purpose and focus
    "It is from numberless diverse acts of courage and belief that human history is shaped. Each time a person stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring, those ripples build a current which can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance." Robert Kennedy

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    You know what? The Bible says answer not a fool according to his folly. So I'll let you have the last word. You have absolutely no intelligent reason to claim Alex Jones would attack a president Paul. You're just trolling. Have fun doing it by yourself.
    One more thing. Could you address if Jones ever corrected himself about the birth certificate that you admitted there was no evidence it was fake. And why did his site and his "computer specialists" dismiss it as a fake so soon after seeing it?I'm really interested in your response.

    I'm glad you can admit you were wrong. Now if you could also admit you are wrong about so called "conspiracy theorists" you would be a more reasonable person. Additional information is "fake" only if it is actually shown to be fake. Let's take the Trayvon Martin case. When additional information came out showing that Zimmerman actually did have a bloody head, did I say "That's probably just ketchup"? No. I was more than willing to concede that point. Now that I've seen video demonstrations that someone can scan a document into Acrobat and it might automatically create layers I'm not talking about the birth certificate issue.
    Did Alex Jones admit he was wrong?

    http://www.infowars.com/new-obama-bi...-is-a-forgery/

    Our investigation of the purported Obama birth certificate released by Hawaiian authorities today reveals the document is a shoddily contrived hoax. Infowars.com computer specialists dismissed the document as a fraud soon after examining it.

    Who were these experts who were so easily able to dismiss this thing as fraud so quick after examining it? These guys are experts and they don't know about scanning a document into Acrobat? Why didn't they take a few more hours to do some research given that they are "experts" and this is supposed to be their job?

    The answer is people don't go to Alex Jones' site to hear "yep turns out he's actually a citizen". They go to get their fix of conspiracy theories and his "experts" will back him up because that's what they WANT to find.
    Ron Paul: "For those who have asked, I freely confess that Jesus Christ is my personal Savior, and that I seek His guidance in all that I do."

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackTerrel View Post
    One more thing. Could you address if Jones ever corrected himself about the birth certificate that you admitted there was no evidence it was fake. And why did his site and his "computer specialists" dismiss it as a fake so soon after seeing it?I'm really interested in your response.
    Lot's of people dismissed the birth certificate as fake after first seeing it. I'm not 100% sure it's not fake. I just have an explanation for the layers thing. Maybe AJ didn't see that video. I just saw it myself. There were other problems with the birth certificate though. I've heard AJ admit he was wrong before, though an example doesn't immediately come to mind. You can either believe me or think I'm lying and frankly I don't care. Now here's a question for you. If Ron Paul comes out full bore conspiracy theorist after the election will you stop supporting him? I don't think that will happen because he still has Rand to think about. But Ron did come out recently and warn that there might be a "false flag" operation where "one of our ships go to the bottom". Since you are sooooo out to malign conspiracy theorists are you going to malign and slander Ron now? Frankly I don't care about that either. You're closer to Santorum on foreign policy than Ron anyway.

    Edit: And have you admitted you were wrong about Zimmerman's injuries? Really, you're trying to play "admit you were wrong" gestapo and I have yet to see you do that about anything.

    Edit 2: Actually thanks for the link. Alex Jones actually answers the "automatic layers" question.

    Nathan Goulding, writing for the National Review, tells us anybody can open the White House released PDF in Illustrator and it will break out into layers. “I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home,” he writes.

    Indeed, but this does not answer the question why in the Obama birth certificate PDF the layers or elements contain dates – which appear to be modified – and the signature of the state registrar. If the document was acquired from state records in whole, why was it necessary to add elements? Goulding and Brooks do not address this issue.


    I guess I have to admit I was wrong for thinking Alex Jones was wrong.
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    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Eze 22:25 There's a conspiracy of prophets within her....

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.

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    Not speaking for Alex.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackTerrel View Post
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    Who were these experts who were so easily able to dismiss this thing as fraud so quick after examining it? ...
    A real-world document would never have layers when you scan it into an image program.
    period/case closed...
    Obvious fake, why don't more people know by now?
    • Negativity is ignorance, and ignorance is your own personal tyranny. It tells you how to act, how to talk, how to think, and what to feel. You will never see a world without tyrants until you release your own. ~Honored to be Among You

    How does Ron stay so calm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Lot's of people dismissed the birth certificate as fake after first seeing it. I'm not 100% sure it's not fake. I just have an explanation for the layers thing. Maybe AJ didn't see that video. I just saw it myself.
    Why did his "experts" dismiss it so quickly? You'd think experts would want to examine it for a bit.

    There were other problems with the birth certificate though. I've heard AJ admit he was wrong before, though an example doesn't immediately come to mind. You can either believe me or think I'm lying and frankly I don't care. Now here's a question for you. If Ron Paul comes out full bore conspiracy theorist after the election will you stop supporting him?
    I think it depends which one. The "official story" of JFK is that the CIA got him - I don't believe that either. I disagree with Ron on some issues now ( Civil Rights Act, how to deal with the poor etc..) but I agree with him enough on the big issues that I support him over everyone else. If he came out and said "US did 9/11", "Obama is a Muslim", "US moon landing was fake", etc... yeah I'd stop supporting him.

    Edit: And have you admitted you were wrong about Zimmerman's injuries? Really, you're trying to play "admit you were wrong" gestapo and I have yet to see you do that about anything.
    I have not changed my mind on Zimmerman. I think the evidence points to him being guilty of killing an unarmed kid.

    As far as admitting I'm wrong. I have no problem doing that. Here's the first example I could remember. I argued a bunch in support of JoePa out of a sense of loyalty for what he did for one of my good friends. But when the facts became too much to bear I admitted I was wrong and left the thread. Sad case.

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackTerrel View Post
    I take back my previous comments in this thread and others. I'm wrong about this.

    If someone is doing "something of a sexual nature with a 10 year old boy" you stop it. This is so fucked
    I'm much more personally connected to JoePa than I am 9/11 or Obama's birth certificate. I'll admit when I'm wrong. And that case still makes me extremely sad when I think about it.

    Edit 2: Actually thanks for the link. Alex Jones actually answers the "automatic layers" question.

    Nathan Goulding, writing for the National Review, tells us anybody can open the White House released PDF in Illustrator and it will break out into layers. “I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home,” he writes.

    Indeed, but this does not answer the question why in the Obama birth certificate PDF the layers or elements contain dates – which appear to be modified – and the signature of the state registrar. If the document was acquired from state records in whole, why was it necessary to add elements? Goulding and Brooks do not address this issue.


    I guess I have to admit I was wrong for thinking Alex Jones was wrong.
    Wait what? So now you actually think Obama's birth certificate is fake again? Jones' "rebuttal" is based on nothing. It's just enough to satisfy people who don't want to admit they're wrong.
    Ron Paul: "For those who have asked, I freely confess that Jesus Christ is my personal Savior, and that I seek His guidance in all that I do."

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    Mason Gaffney and Fred Harrison did write the Corruption of Economics. Mason Gaffney's "The Strategem Against Henry George" is available on-line. David Nolan is a noted Georgist. Einstein admits to learning a lot from Henry George. You might want to stop listening to kooks and start listening to some respected members of the Libertarian Party, like Dan Sullivan, in regards to the corruption of Libertarianism by neoclassical economics.

    Peter Thiel is a Bilderberg and contributes significantly to Ron Paul. Ron Paul is heavily invested in gold and is quite the feudal land baron as well. It seems Ron Paul believes in stealing the profit of God's earth in his sleep and would love nothing more than the government to end the free market for gold and to have government artificially increase it's value by declaring it legal tender. The Rockefeller Foundation and William Volker Fund funded Austrian economists. Austrian economics is considered neoclassical economics, like Marxism and Keynesian economics. Lewis Lehrman is a board member of PNAC and did partner with Ron Paul to write The Case for Gold. Ron Paul and Lewis Lehrman both support a world gold standard, globalism and a one world monetary order.

    The Bible does disagree with some of Ron Paul's position. The Bible supports no taxation of toil and real capital. However, the Bible does support full taxation of land, distribution of the profits of the land, and is fully against usury (profit on financial capital), especially upon the money supply. Henry George and Georgists in the Libertarian Party are more aligned with the Bible than your Royal Libertarians, like Ron Paul, who promote the neoclassical economics of the Ludwig von Mises Institute.

    I believe the Libertarian Party would have more success if they stopped supporting Royal Libertarians trying to steal a free lunch in their sleep with their land and gold holdings and put their support behind Real Libertarians, like David Nolan and Dan Sullivan and more well-rounded economists like Milton Friedman who is more aligned with classical liberalism, rather than neoliberalism, like the Austrian School of Economics who use reducto ad absurdum to equate everything to capital like Marx and Keynes. Some Libertarians do cringe when people like Ron Paul try to equate land to capital and promote a return to a gold standard.

    The Real Libertarians even have solutions to pay off the national debt, end income taxation, and end the boom/bust cycle, without the need for austerity programs.

    “Many readers may be surprised to learn the extent to which the Graduate Institute and then Mises himself in the years immediately after he came to United States were kept afloat financially through generous grants from the Rockefeller Foundation. In fact, for the first years of Mises’s life in the United States, before his appointment as a visiting professor in the Graduate School of Business Administration at New York University (NYU) in 1945, he was almost totally dependent on annual research grants from the Rockefeller Foundation.” – Richard M. Ebeling, The Life and Works of Ludwig von Mises

    “There’s nothing to fear from globalism, free trade and a single worldwide currency…. The effort in recent decades to unify government surveillance over all world trade and international financial transactions through the UN, IMF, World Bank, WTO, ICC, the OECD, and the Bank of International Settlements can never substitute for a peaceful world based on true free trade, freedom of movement, a single but sound market currency, and voluntary contracts with private property rights…. The ultimate solution will only come with the rejection of fiat money worldwide, and a restoration of commodity money. Commodity money if voluntarily and universally accepted could give us a single world currency requiring no money managers, no manipulators orchestrating a man-made business cycle with rampant price inflation.” — Ron Paul, Congressional Record, March 13, 2001

    And some validated quotes from people not considered conspiracy kooks...

    “Men did not make the earth… It is the value of the improvement only, and not the earth itself, that is individual property… Every proprietor owes to the community a ground rent for the land which he holds.” — Thomas Paine, “Agrarian Justice,” 1797

    “Both ground rents and the ordinary rent of land are a species of revenue which the owner, in many cases, enjoys without any care or attention of his own…. Ground-rents and the ordinary rent of land are, therefore, perhaps, the species of revenue which can best bear to have a peculiar tax imposed upon them.” — Adam Smith, Wealth of Nations, 1776

    “Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions of property in geometrical progression as they rise. ” — Thomas Jefferson, Letter to James Madison, 1785

    “Wherever, in any country, there are idle lands and unemployed poor, it is clear that the laws of property have been so far extended as to violate natural right.” — Thomas Jefferson, Letter to James Madison, 1785

    “When the ‘sacredness of property’ is talked about it should always be remembered that any such sacredness does not belong in the same degree to landed property. No man made the land. It is the general inheritance of the whole species.” — J.S. Mill, Principles of Political Economy, 1848

    “They [landlords] grow richer, as it were in their sleep, without working, risking, or economizing.” — J.S. Mill, Principles of Political Economy, 1848

    “God, who hath given the world to men in common, hath also given them reason to make use of it to the best advantage of life and convenience…. It being by him removed from the common state nature hath placed it in, it hath by this labour something annexed to it, that excludes the common right of other men: for this labour being the unquestionable property of the labourer, no man but he can have a right to what that is once joined to, at least where there is enough, and as good, left in common for others.” — John Locke, Second Treatise of Civil Government, 1690

    “The earth, therefore, and all things therein, are the general property of all mankind, exclusive of other beings, from the immediate gift of the Creator.” — William Blackstone, Commentaries on the Laws of England, 1766

    “It is quite true that the land monopoly is not the only monopoly which exists, but it is by far the greatest of monopolies — is a perpetual monopoly, and it is the mother of all other forms of monopoly. It is quite true that unearned increments in land are not the only form of unearned or undeserved profit which individuals are able to secure; but it is the principal form of unearned increment which is derived from processes which are not merely not beneficial, but which are positively detrimental to the general public. Land, which is a necessity of human existence, which is the original source of all wealth, which is strictly limited in extent, which is fixed in geographical position — land, I say, differs from all other forms of property in these primary and fundamental conditions.” — Winston Churchill, “The People’s Land,” 1909

    “I thank you for your great friendliness. I have already read Henry George’s great book and really learnt a great deal from it. Yesterday evening I read with admiration the address about Moses. Men like Henry George are rare unfortunately. One cannot imagine a more beautiful combination of intellectual keenness, artistic form and fervent love of justice. Every line is written as if for our generation. The spreading of these works is a really deserving cause, for our generation especially has many and important things to learn from Henry George.” — Albert Einstein, Letter to Anna George De Mille, 1934

    “In my opinion the least bad tax is the property tax on the unimproved value of land, the Henry George argument of many, many years ago.” — Milton Friedman, The Times Herald, Pennsylvania, 1978

    “People do not argue with the teaching of George; they simply do not know it. And it is impossible to do otherwise with his teaching, for he who becomes acquainted with it cannot but agree.” — Leo Tolstoy, “A Great Iniquity,” Letter to the London Times, 1905

    “Moreover the profit of the Earth is for all….” — Ecclesiastes 5:9

    “Behold that which I have seen: it is good and comely for one to eat and to drink, and to enjoy the good of all his labour that he taketh under the sun all the days of his life, which God giveth him: for it is his portion. Every man also to whom God hath given riches and wealth, and hath given him power to eat thereof, and to take his portion, and to rejoice in his labour; this is the gift of God.” — Ecclesiastes 5:18-19

    “The land shall not be sold for ever: for the land is Mine, for ye are strangers and sojourners with Me. And in all the land of your possession ye shall grant a redemption for the land.” — Leviticus 25:23-24

    “And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers.” — Matthew 21:12 (KJV)

    “If thou lend money to any of my people that is poor by thee, thou shalt not be to him as an usurer, neither shalt thou lay upon him usury.” — Exodus 22:25 (KJV)

    “And if thy brother be waxen poor, and his means fail with thee; then thou shalt uphold him: as a stranger and a settler shall he live with thee. Take thou no usury of him, or increase: but fear thy God; that thy brother may live with thee. Thou shalt not give him thy money upon usury, nor lend him thy victuals for increase.” — Leviticus 25:35-37 (KJV)

    “He withholds his hand from sin and takes no usury or excessive interest.” — Ezekiel 18:17 (KJV)

    “Thou shalt not lend upon usury (interest) to thy brother, interest on the money, or on anything that is lent with interest. Unto a stranger thou mayest lend upon usury; but unto thy brother thou shalt not lend upon usury: that the Lord thy God may bless thee in all that thou settest thine hand to in the land whither thou goest to possess it.” — Deuteronomy 23.19-20 (KJV)

    “He that putteth not out his money to usury, nor taketh reward against the innocent, he that doeth these things shall never be moved.” — Psalm 15:5 (KJV)

    “Those who charge usury are in the same position as those controlled by the devil’s influence. This is because they claim that usury is the same as commerce. However, God permits commerce and prohibits usury. Thus, whoever heeds this commandment from his Lord, and refrains from usury, he may keep his past earnings, and his judgement rests with God. As for those who persist in usury, they incur Hell, wherein they abide forever.” — Koran 2:275

    “God condemns usury, and blesses charities. God dislikes every disbeliever, guilty. Lo! Those who believe and do good works and establish worship and pay the poor-due, their reward is with their Lord and there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve. O you who believe, you shall observe God and refrain from all kinds of usury, if you are believers. If you do not, then expect a war from God and His messenger. But if you repent, you may keep your capitals, without inflicting injustice, or incurring injustice. If the debtor is unable to pay, wait for a better time. If you give up the loan as a charity, it would be better for you, if you only knew.” — Koran 2:276-280

    “O you who believe, you shall not take usury, compounded over and over. Observe God, that you may succeed.” — Koran 3:130

    “And for practicing usury, which was forbidden, and for consuming the people’s money illicitly. We have prepared for the disbelievers among them painful retribution.” — Koran 4:161

    “The usury that is practiced to increase some people’s wealth, does not gain anything at God. But if people give to charity, seeking God’s pleasure, these are the ones who receive their reward many fold.” — Koran 30:39

    “Bank-paper must be suppressed, and the circulating medium must be restored to the nation to whom it belongs.” — Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John W. Eppes, 1813

    “And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale.” — Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Taylor, 1816

    “I hope we shall take warning from the example and crush in it’s birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength, and to bid defiance to the laws of their country.” — Thomas Jefferson, Letter to George Logan, 1816

    “Once a nation parts with the control of its currency and credit, it matters not who makes the laws. Usury once in control will wreck any nation. Until the control of the issue of currency and credit is restored to government and recognized as its most conspicuous and sacred responsibility, all talk of the sovereignty of Parliament and of Democracy is idle and futile.” — Prime Minister of Canada, William Lyon Mackenzie King, radio broadcast, 1935, parliament speech, 1934 (Ottawa Citizen, August 3, 1935)

    “It is absurd to say that our country can issue $30,000,000 in bonds and not $30,000,000 in currency. Both are promises to pay; but one promise fattens the usurer, and the other helps the people. If the currency issued by the Government were no good, then the bonds issued would be no good either. It is a terrible situation when the Government, to increase the national wealth, must go into debt and submit to ruinous interest charges at the hands of men who control the fictitious values of gold.” — Thomas Edison, New York Times, December 6, 1921

    “Gold and money are separate things, you see. Gold is the trick mechanism by which you can control money.” — Thomas Edison, New York Times, December 6, 1921

    “The gold standard has, in my opinion, the serious disadvantage that a shortage in the supply of gold automatically leads to a contraction of credit and also of the amount of currency in circulation, to which contraction prices and wages cannot adjust themselves sufficiently quickly.” — Einstein, The World As I See It, 1934

    “According to this theory, it is possible to avoid a collapse following a period of credit expansion simply by converting the existing volume of bank credit into actual money having an existence independent of the debt, and at the same time take away the banking system’s privilege of creating any more credit, i.e., force the banks to confine their lending operations to the lending of existing funds.” — Robert de Fremery, “Banking and Monetary Reforms To Preserve Private Enterprise,” 1956

    “Money is a new form of slavery, and distinguishable from the old simply by the fact that it is impersonal — that there is no human relation between master and slave.” — Leo Tolstoy, What to Do?, 1887, English Uncensored Edition

    “Connected with this subject is the character of the currency. The idea of making it exclusively metallic, however well intended, appears to me to be fraught with more fatal consequences than any other scheme having no relation to the personal rights of the citizens that has ever been devised. If any single scheme could produce the effect of arresting at once that mutation of condition by which thousands of our most indigent fellow-citizens by their industry and enterprise are raised to the possession of wealth, that is the one. If there is one measure better calculated than another to produce that state of things so much deprecated by all true republicans, by which the rich are daily adding to their hoards and the poor sinking deeper into penury, it is an exclusive metallic currency. Or if there is a process by which the character of the country for generosity and nobleness of feeling may be destroyed by the great increase and neck toleration of usury, it is an exclusive metallic currency.” — William Henry Harrison, Inaugural Address, March 4, 1841

    “If they dare to come out in the open field and defend the gold standard as a good thing, we shall fight them to the uttermost, having behind us the producing masses of the nation and the world. Having behind us the commercial interests and the laboring interests and all the toiling masses, we shall answer their demands for a gold standard by saying to them, you shall not press down upon the brow of labor this crown of thorns. You shall not crucify mankind upon a cross of gold.” — William Jennings Bryan, Democratic National Convention, July 9, 1896

    “We say in our platform that we believe that the right to coin money and issue money is a function of government… Those who are opposed to this proposition tell us that the issue of paper money is a function of the bank and that the government ought to go out of the banking business. I stand with Jefferson rather than with them, and tell them, as he did, that the issue of money is a function of the government and that the banks should go out of the governing business.” — William Jennings Bryan, Democratic National Convention, July 9, 1896

    “The people must be helped to think naturally about money. They must be told what it is, and what makes it money, and what are the possible tricks of the present system which put nations and peoples under control of the few.” — Henry Ford, My Life and Work, 1922

    “This imperfect policy of non-intervention, or laissez-faire, led straight to a most hideous and dreadful economic exploitation; starvation wages, slum dwelling, killing hours, pauperism, coffin-ships, child-labour — nothing like it had ever been seen in modern times…People began to say, if this is what State abstention comes to, let us have some State intervention.

    “But the state had intervened; that was the whole trouble. The State had established one monopoly — the landlord’s monopoly of economic rent — thereby shutting off great hordes of people from free access to the only source of human subsistence, and driving them into factories to work for whatever Mr. Gradgrind and Mr. Bottles chose to give them. The land of England, while by no means nearly all actually occupied, was all legally occupied; and this State-created monopoly enabled landlords to satisfy their needs and desires with little exertion or none, but it also removed the land from competition with industry in the labor market, thus creating a huge, constant and exigent labour-surplus.” — Albert J. Nock, “The Gods’ Lookout,” 1934
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    I need 3 posts to provide links

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    References and links for more information...

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    I will provide you with one of my own writings to warn you about how Ron Paul will be stealing from you too if your gold as legal tender increased in value (deflation). You would need more gold than your home or other assets are worth to come out ahead in the great redistribution of wealth and socialism for the rich that Ron Paul promotes if such a move doesn't bankrupt you from the taxes and deflation such a system would require.

    http://libertyrevival.wordpress.com/...dard-is-theft/

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    “There’s nothing to fear from globalism, free trade and a single worldwide currency….
    True.

    The effort in recent decades to unify government surveillance over all world trade and international financial transactions through the UN, IMF, World Bank, WTO, ICC, the OECD, and the Bank of International Settlements
    He's railing against government, and also true by the way. Do you dispute any of this?

    can never substitute for a peaceful world based on true free trade, freedom of movement, a single but sound market currency, and voluntary contracts with private property rights….
    Absolutely true. Do you deny that people should choose their own currency? Or do you want government to claim the power to declare what money is?

    The ultimate solution will only come with the rejection of fiat money worldwide, and a restoration of commodity money.
    So he rejects the government declaring what money should be. Onus is on you to proves that he doesn't. By the way, you can't yell about Ron Paul wanting government to impose a money standard when he clearly says he doesn't want government declaring a money standard.

    Commodity money if voluntarily and universally accepted could give us a single world currency requiring no money managers, no manipulators orchestrating a man-made business cycle with rampant price inflation.” — Ron Paul, Congressional Record, March 13, 2001
    There's that voluntary again, which means that government cannot be involved in the matter.

    All of your assertions are based on your lack of understanding of what "voluntary," "fiat," and "market" mean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul
    Perhaps the most important lesson from Obamacare is that while liberty is lost incrementally, it cannot be regained incrementally. The federal leviathan continues its steady growth; sometimes boldly and sometimes quietly. Obamacare is just the latest example, but make no mistake: the statists are winning. So advocates of liberty must reject incremental approaches and fight boldly for bedrock principles.
    The epitome of libertarian populism

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    I've seen this theory about Ron Paul being controlled opposition before, and about the Austrian school of economics being funded by Rockefeller, and the gold standard being therefore what the ruling class wants. The thing I notice though, is that a lot of these sites promoting this information seem to always leave out key bits of information, mixing the truth with lies of omission. Things such as currency competition, the definition of natural money, etc. Which leads me to believe they either don't have a strong foundation in economics, or they have some other agenda, or possibly even just want website hits-- possibly all of the above.

    I don't think the "cool guys" in the media are promoting Ron Paul to make him seem more anti establishment. They could just as easily be using references to Ron Paul to appear "cool" and appeal to the "youth culture" in the first place-- but they are never really there when it counts either, and their support is minimum. But of course, you can keep going back and forth with these "what if scenarios" once you get started.
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    Lies by ommission? I've talked about free market currencies. I've talked about how such a usury-free greenback system would work and how it would end national debt and income taxation. We have a bill in Congress.

    I think Ron Paul has a lot of lies by ommission because he doesn't explain his bilderberg peter thiel and lewis lehrman libertopia fantasy and delusion to protect the current system and promote austerity for the poor and welfare for the rich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by henrygeorge View Post
    Lies by ommission? I've talked about free market currencies. I've talked about how such a usury-free greenback system would work and how it would end national debt and income taxation. We have a bill in Congress.

    I think Ron Paul has a lot of lies by ommission because he doesn't explain his bilderberg peter thiel and lewis lehrman libertopia fantasy and delusion to protect the current system and promote austerity for the poor and welfare for the rich.
    All that is required is to read Ron Paul's books. They are easy to read. He tells exactly where he stands on virtually every issue. It is really quite simple.

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    I meant lies of omission regarding details about what Ron Paul's full positions are. If someone wants to make a counter argument for some of the things Paul advocates for, that's fine, but they should at least take his positions in context and fully illustrate the position he is actually advocating.

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