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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackTerrel View Post
    What's he going to talk about for four hours a day? "Our government is good and honest and our President consistently does the right thing". Yeah that will go over well.
    1) If you think that just by Ron Paul getting elected the entire U.S. government including the House, Senate, judiciary, and unelected bureaucrats will all magically fall in line and follow Dr. Paul's dictates then you are more naive than I ever could have imagined.

    2) Even if the entire U.S. government automatically fell in line behind liberty, there's still the U.N. to deal with as well as a host of treaties and alliances we would need to disentangle ourselves from.

    3) There would be the ever present worry of "Will the globalists try to off Ron Paul".

    4) If everything goes right, that means that on a daily basis Ron Paul would be reviewing and seeking to overturn unconstitutional laws and executive orders from the past fifty years. That would give Alex Jones more than enough to talk about for 4 hours a day.

    He'll quote mainstream media when mainstream media promotes news that is similar to his view. Not based on accuracy.
    You said he didn't use MSM. You were wrong. Just admit you were wrong and move on. And for the record he will quote the MSM when he disagrees with them as well for the sake of pointing out why he disagrees with them. Any other news commentator does the same thing. I'm not even sure what you are expecting or where you're trying to go with this line.

    Really? 10 minutes into the VA Tech shooting he was saying conspiracy.
    Were you actually listening that day? Somehow I doubt that. If you were then you aren't reporting accurately what he said. He said it was suspicious. And it turns out....it was suspicious. VA Tech was the home of the CIA's admitted MK Ultra program. (Google it). That said, that wasn't the only angle AJ covered or even the bigger angle. The bigger angles was the effect of psychotropic drugs, (he predicted as soon as the shooting happened that the shooter would be on psychotropics...and he turned out to be right), and the fact that the media would use the to push gun control, even though gun control was really part of the problem. (The only reason the shooter could kill so many is because universities are largely victim disarmament zones).


    I don't recall the specific post you're referring to but if you quote it I'm happy to respond. It's very likely I was wrong. I'm wrong many times. I change my views based on additional information. Conspiracy theorists will claim that additional information is fake and part of the conspiracy. It's a nice way to live life because all data against your world view is false data.
    I'm glad you can admit you were wrong. Now if you could also admit you are wrong about so called "conspiracy theorists" you would be a more reasonable person. Additional information is "fake" only if it is actually shown to be fake. Let's take the Trayvon Martin case. When additional information came out showing that Zimmerman actually did have a bloody head, did I say "That's probably just ketchup"? No. I was more than willing to concede that point. Now that I've seen video demonstrations that someone can scan a document into Acrobat and it might automatically create layers I'm not talking about the birth certificate issue. When I had reason to think the online version was fake I voiced it. But you will jump at the flimsiest piece of "evidence" that "confirms" the comforting story you want to believe and cling to it for dear life. Oh Iran says it's got video of the compound the Navy SEALs raided. Without any direct quote from any Iranian you assume that must mean that the Osama narrative, in it's 10th form after the government finally settled on a story, must be true.

    I said that a big part of conspiracy theories is claiming that successful people are part of a conspiracy. I don't believe that Alex Jones dedicates his particular brand of conspiracy to every single successful person in the history of the world - particularly he does not spend much time covering Indian leaders from 80 years ago.
    He actually covers Ghandi quite a bit as an example to follow. Here's someone else Alex Jones has covered quite a bit. Peter Schiff. Do you think Alex Jones thinks Peter Schiff is part of some conspiracy? Because AJ has never said that. You want another example? How Lord Monckton, the British member of the House of Lords who's been debunking man made global warming? Has Alex Jones said "This guy is so high up he must be one of them"? No? Then your making stuff up as you go along.

    Success is what drives this stuff. Is it a coincidence that there is a YouTube video with 3.5 million views claiming the two best American athletes of the past 10 years are part of the illuminati and have received their skills and success by evil dealings? It has to do with success. No one would make a video about Flip Murray being a part of the illuminati because no one would care.
    Has Alex Jones ever accused Kobe Bryant or LeBrawn James as being part of the illuminati? NO! Come up. Don't be ridiculous. Just because somebody somewhere makes a YouTube like that doesn't mean that's par for the course for who conspiracy reporting works. You're being like the racist who says that a black person robbing a convenience store means black people rob convenience stores. Alex Jones works by putting together pieces of reporting that other people have overlooked together with his own sources to paint a picture of the world as he sees it. That's the way journalism works in general. Is he high strung at times? Yep. Does he get it wrong sometimes? Sure. And he's said it. Does he just say someone is part of some conspiracy because they are "successful"? No. That's a ridiculous assertion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sgt150 View Post
    If Ron Paul were to become President, there will still be plenty of fucked up shit going on in the world to fill a radio show
    Exactly!
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    Eze 22:25 There's a conspiracy of prophets within her....

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

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    Ron Paul was asked via a letter, I believe by a forum member, if he was a freemason. He responded and signed it saying he has never been a freemason.
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    Ron Paul also advocates competition in currencies.

    This would allow for something like Bitcoins, which is not the gold standard.
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    I tend to like A.J. and the Infowars team.

    However, they have some visitors on that site who are beyond insane, there have been many posters in the comments section Ron Paul is a free mason and who wants world domination. I've also seen people say that "libertarianism is the end game for the N.W.O" I mean, really, people?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Okie RP fan View Post
    I tend to like A.J. and the Infowars team.

    However, they have some visitors on that site who are beyond insane, there have been many posters in the comments section Ron Paul is a free mason and who wants world domination. I've also seen people say that "libertarianism is the end game for the N.W.O" I mean, really, people?
    Those people might be paid trolls spewing ridiculous disinformation. You never know these days
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoOneButPaul View Post
    You guys really have to get over this Robamney thing... Romney sucks, I'll never vote for him, period. Romney and Obama are essentially the same (about 95%) but they are not the same.

    I can guarantee 2 things... 1- Romney would not make a good President and 2- he would make a better President than Obama and wouldn't spend 1trillion a month.

    Electing Romney gives this country a considerably greater amount of time even if he wouldn't offer up any real change.


    As for the 3rd party stuff... Ron can't get 270 electoral votes that way or win the POTUS in any way imaginable so as you ask "what's the difference?" the difference is a guaranteed Obama victory versus a very-sure Obama victory... that's a huge difference. Romney cannot win with 20% of the country going another way.
    Romney would be worse than Obama. Romney won't cut a damn thing domestically, and wants to increase military spending.

    That math equals greater deficits and greater debt.
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    I like Alex Jones when he talks about the police state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    1) If you think that just by Ron Paul getting elected the entire U.S. government including the House, Senate, judiciary, and unelected bureaucrats will all magically fall in line and follow Dr. Paul's dictates then you are more naive than I ever could have imagined.

    2) Even if the entire U.S. government automatically fell in line behind liberty, there's still the U.N. to deal with as well as a host of treaties and alliances we would need to disentangle ourselves from.

    3) There would be the ever present worry of "Will the globalists try to off Ron Paul".

    4) If everything goes right, that means that on a daily basis Ron Paul would be reviewing and seeking to overturn unconstitutional laws and executive orders from the past fifty years. That would give Alex Jones more than enough to talk about for 4 hours a day.
    But what if there's a terror attack and suddenly Ron Paul is the one calling the shots? I don't believe he'll stand behind him for long. He'll do business by attacking "the man" not supporting him. I saw it with a select few with Obama as well.

    You said he didn't use MSM. You were wrong. Just admit you were wrong and move on. And for the record he will quote the MSM when he disagrees with them as well for the sake of pointing out why he disagrees with them. Any other news commentator does the same thing. I'm not even sure what you are expecting or where you're trying to go with this line.
    What I'm saying is that his general tone is "the MSM and the powers that be are lying but I'm here to give you the truth".

    Were you actually listening that day[VA Tech shooting]? Somehow I doubt that. If you were then you aren't reporting accurately what he said. He said it was suspicious. And it turns out....it was suspicious. VA Tech was the home of the CIA's admitted MK Ultra program. (Google it).
    That's it. MK Ultra according to Google took place at more than 30 universities. You could play 6 degrees with Kevin Bacon with anything if you want to push the conspiracy angle. That's why it's so hard to debate it.

    That said, that wasn't the only angle AJ covered or even the bigger angle. The bigger angles was the effect of psychotropic drugs, (he predicted as soon as the shooting happened that the shooter would be on psychotropics...and he turned out to be right),
    Of course. I'm sure he also listened to fucked out music and wore a lot of gray and black and not so much bright colored clothing. That's what crazy people do. Correlation doesn't equal causation. What % of people that shoot up their schools do you think like to wear black vs like to wear yellow? Does that mean black clothing causes school shootings?

    and the fact that the media would use the to push gun control, even though gun control was really part of the problem. (The only reason the shooter could kill so many is because universities are largely victim disarmament zones).
    Of course. EVERY TIME there is a big shooting gun control advocates push it to say there should be less guns and gun rights advocates say there should be more guns. That's what people with an agenda do. Both sides. It never changes public opinion. People have made up their mind.

    I'm glad you can admit you were wrong. Now if you could also admit you are wrong about so called "conspiracy theorists" you would be a more reasonable person. Additional information is "fake" only if it is actually shown to be fake. Let's take the Trayvon Martin case. When additional information came out showing that Zimmerman actually did have a bloody head, did I say "That's probably just ketchup"? No. I was more than willing to concede that point. Now that I've seen video demonstrations that someone can scan a document into Acrobat and it might automatically create layers I'm not talking about the birth certificate issue.
    Did Alex Jones admit he was wrong?

    http://www.infowars.com/new-obama-bi...-is-a-forgery/

    Our investigation of the purported Obama birth certificate released by Hawaiian authorities today reveals the document is a shoddily contrived hoax. Infowars.com computer specialists dismissed the document as a fraud soon after examining it.

    Who were these experts who were so easily able to dismiss this thing as fraud so quick after examining it? These guys are experts and they don't know about scanning a document into Acrobat? Why didn't they take a few more hours to do some research given that they are "experts" and this is supposed to be their job?

    The answer is people don't go to Alex Jones' site to hear "yep turns out he's actually a citizen". They go to get their fix of conspiracy theories and his "experts" will back him up because that's what they WANT to find.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elwar View Post
    Ron Paul also advocates competition in currencies.

    This would allow for something like Bitcoins, which is not the gold standard.
    Sounds great.
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