" Paul has said that reducing U.S. dependence on foreign oil will simplify U.S. foreign policy and improve the "anemic economy at home"
---Where has Ron Paul said that he'll ban oil-exports????---
no one has said that we should ban oil exports , i just think its stupid to buy oil from opec at the same time we export oil , buying foreign oil ( from opec) only supports the people killing our gi's , i have no problem with oil from canada.
how do we reduce our dependence on foreign oil while exporting our oil ??
i won't even address your commie statements , mainly coming from a chickenhawk they don't mean much.
And chickenhawk = someone who's not served yet supports unnecessary wars
I DON'T support unnecessary wars so there's no question of me being a "chickenhawk"
Now, I understand that having a low IQ doesn't really help commies to THINK things out, & as can be seen below, I've called you out on this stupidity even in the past but clearly commies are just simply too dumb; otherwise they'd just wisen up & learn about the markets & stop thinking that government force & intervention is the panacea
There is enormous inertia ó a tyranny of the status quo ó in private and especially governmental arrangements. Only a crisis ó actual or perceived ó produces real change. When that crisis occurs, the actions that are taken depend on the ideas that are lying around. That, I believe, is our basic function: to develop alternatives to existing policies, to keep them alive and available until the politically impossible becomes politically inevitable
- Milton Friedman
There is crude oil. It is the basic input for many products that are actually useful and needed. Motor gasoline for your car, heating oil, jet fuel, kerosene, asphalt and road oil, and on and on. These are the finished products that are actually demanded, and they all have to be refined from a barrel of crude oil. There is a cheap way to distill and refine crude into these products, and depending on the crude you will get around a set percentage of each product from a barrel of oil. Only about 40% of a barrel of crude can be turned into motor gasoline, the rest is made into other products. Of course, incremental changes can be slightly made to what end products each refinery will get from a barrel of oil, as they can reprocess certain distillates into something more "useful", but at an increasing cost. This is especially true in the United States, where our refineries are extremely efficient at reprocessing distillates further to make more motor gasoline than refineries around the world can. However they still never really break the 50% mark in crude to motor oil.
Why does any of that matter? Well the US is a unique country in the world, where our demand for petroleum products is mostly in the form of gasoline. Countries in Europe for example, have the majority of their petroleum consumption in heating oil. Now our refineries can only process so much gasoline from each barrel of crude without it becoming prohibitively expensive.
Currently about half of the crude oil our refineries use are imported from foreign sources. If we met all our gasoline demand with domestic refining capacity, our domestic refiners would then be EXPORTING the other products that we don't use. There is a gap in what we make and use. The fact that our exports of refined products is increasing EXPLICITLY SHOWS our dependence on foreign oil is decreasing. And we don't produce enough oil domestically for our refining needs, so OF COURSE WE HAVE TO BUY FOREIGN OIL.
Our total daily imports of crude oil and refined products has dropped from 13,707 thousand barrels a day 6 years ago to 11,360 thousand barrels a day.
Our total daily exports of refined products has more than doubled in the same time period from 1,292 thousand barrels a day to 2,877 thousand barrels a day.
What the fuck is it that you don't understand about this?
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Of course anyone that understands economics understands that shortages are a price phenomenon, and does not necessarily mean there is increased physical scarcity- and it often never does.
Nixon turned this country into the Soviet Union for a few years in the petroleum industry starting in 1971, and that is why there were shortages. Price controls were instituted, and while they were phased out relatively quickly for most things, they didn't fade for the oil industry. Starting in August 1971 the price of oil was "controlled". The long lines and rationing of gasoline started in the summer of 72 and continued on from there getting worse by 73.
When did the Arab Oil Embargo start?
What happened? Maybe ILUVRP can educate us with some rant on foreign oil or OPEC or something.
Last edited by Aurave; 04-28-2012 at 03:45 PM.
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i will only say i am for america , to hell with a bounch of arabs , they don't like us and never have .
they must really think that americans are as dumb as a bounch of rocks .
i will post for the non belivers of ron paul and limpball lovers one more time what ron paul said, what is so hard to understand about loving america 1st.
Paul has said that reducing U.S. dependence on foreign oil will simplify U.S. foreign policy and improve the "anemic economy at home"
to aurave , why say 2,877 thousand barrels a day when it is 2,877,000 ba x 55=158 million gallons a day .
as far as gasoline goes we use 400 million gallons a day and export 118 million gallons a day , lets export 400 million gal a day , then we could pay $20/ga for gas . i guess when the big companies that love to export gasoline to keep prices high in america have troubles overseas the countries will send their af/navy/subs/marines to help them .
i will never cuss at someone i don't agree with , i have more class than that , but at least you should get out of the kool-aid line.
Last edited by ILUVRP; 04-28-2012 at 04:18 PM.
Just when it seems you can't be any more stupid you prove otherwise. I seriously hope the majority of Americans aren't as fucking dumb as you are because the country will be in real danger if they all start demanding things that follow your views.
Read what you just replied to me with. What the hell are you saying? Honestly read what you just wrote. What the hell are you trying to communicate? What is its relevance to anything? Do you think at all? I'm serious. Read what you just wrote.
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i try my best to make things simple so everyone can understand , but i guess i misjudged some people.
borrow some pills from pon2
Now where do you get the *55 from? I just want to know. I can't for the life of me figure out where you got that number. It's not an easy typo or logical mistake to make. There are 42 gallons in a barrel of oil. Now I could understand, if you improperly took the average refinery yield of motor gasoline per barrel of crude input of 45%, and used a multiplier of (.45*42) of 18.9. It would still be wrong, but understandable as to why. I would also understand if you further took account of average refinery processing gain in total volume per crude barrel input, which is 7% currently, and came up with a multiplier of (.45*1.07*42) 20.2. That of course is also wrong, but again, at least there would be a reasonable mistake.
But *55? Like I said I honestly can't tell what the fuck you are doing. Where did you pull that from?
US refineries produced an average of 9,035 thousand bbl of motor gasoline per day.
US consumed an average of 8,736 thousand bbl of motor gasoline per day.
You are trying to pass off that US refineries exported 2,810 thousand bbl of motor gasoline. Domestic refineries produced 299 thousand bbl more than domestic demand warranted. I want you to do two things. First is to guess if the actual average daily exports of gasoline for 2011 are closer to 2,810 like the number you invented, or 299. Second is to find out what the actual number is, of exports for motor gasoline in 2011. You may start your search at the EIA.
It's 479 thousand bbl per day by the way. Can you find it? Or are you not capable of such a simple task?
How is anyone supposed to take you seriously in the slightest, and even consider the ideas and solutions you regurgitate onto these forums when basic facts and figures you throw out there are so completely off the wall and incorrect? You are too incompetent to recognize your own incompetence of course.
Last edited by Aurave; 04-29-2012 at 05:58 AM.
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you are correct about 42g/ba , i was wrong , drums are 55gal , military uses.
In 2011, the United States consumed about 134 billion gallons (or 3.19 billion barrels1) of gasoline, a daily average of about 367.08 million gallons (8.74 million barrels). This was about 6% less than the record high of about 142.38 billion gallons (or 3.39 billion barrels) consumed in 2007.
long weekend , links above is just something to read.
i guess the main difference between us is some people pick america first and some pick business profit first , given a choice i will always pick america first.
Last edited by ILUVRP; 04-29-2012 at 12:50 PM.