CNN: Israel's Dep.Prime Minister "[Ahmad] didn't say wipe Israel off the face of the map"

[Bruno]

Someone tell Sean Insanity. He just had someone on Wednesday who was arguing with him on that, he interrupted him mid-sentence (imagine that!) and stated, "yes, he did, we've gone over and over on this, he said it many times, we have it on tape, blah, blah."

Heaven forbid the truth should get out when there are wars to get started based upon lies.

[jolynna]

That is your choice. We still have many forms of choice in this country that we don't think about. But not point in discussing that.

Just using my cost-benefit reasoning, in my opinion it is too risky to let Iran maintain nuclear weapons when considering their situation, and all I support is eliminating their weaponry and leaving, perhaps a small price to pay.

Preventive war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly, I would not even listen to anyone seriously that came and talked about such a thing. ~Dwight D. Eisenhower

I'd be a LOT more worried about Pakistan's Nukes than Iran's. Pakistan is on the verge of becoming a radical Muslim state. And THEY'VE REALLY GOT THE NUKES.

Even Israeli intelligence has described Iran as a rational player.

I don't think the same can be said for those close to taking over Pakistan.

In my opinion.

[ExPatPaki]

I'd be a LOT more worried about Pakistan's Nukes than Iran's. Pakistan is on the verge of becoming a radical Muslim state. And THEY'VE REALLY GOT THE NUKES.

The reason people in the US government are not worried about Pakistan is because Pakistan's radicals are supported by the US. This goes way back to the time of Reagan's Afghan freedom fighters. Hilary Clinton always meets with one of these freakish mullahs with his orange turban when she goes to Pakistan.

[jolynna]

I still can't comprehend how so many people take nuclear weapons so lightly, and how they seem to have little national interest at all.

Because we slaughtered hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians for NO REASON. And occupied their country terrorizing their citizens.

In the process, 4,400 of young American men and women died without ANY cause. To say nothing of our soldiers that were maimed. Or the soldiers that have to live for the rest of their lives with what they saw or worse participated in.

Iraq did NOT have weapons of mass destruction. Or biological weapons. They were NOT participants in 9/11. There were no Al Qaeda in Iraq.

We should not have been there. What we did to those people is as much of a crime when the Nazis eliminated first communists, then civil dissidents and finally Jews, Gypsies, Jehovah Witnesses and the mentally impaired (among others). Or when the Turks exterminated the Armenians. Or when the Communist party in Russia exterminated millions of their own men, women and children between 1917 and 1987.

Our military men and women should ONLY be put at risk FOR: (1) Defensive action: To repel and defeat any actual attack from an adversary OR (2) Retaliatory action: After suffering an actual attack, to destroy the capability and will of the adversary to stage further attacks.

Period. No exceptions.

Killing people when it ISN'T self defense is immoral and cannot be justified.

In my opinion.

[GeorgiaAvenger]

^Was not talking about Iraq. Do not support Iraq.

[jmdrake]

I am not convinced that Iran respects MAD. I still can't comprehend how so many people take nuclear weapons so lightly, and how they seem to have little national interest at all.

I'm not convinced China respects MAD.

I'm not convinced Russia respects MAD.

I'm not convinced Israel respects MAD.

I'm not convinced North Korea respects MAD.

I'm not convinced India respects MAD.

I'm not convinced Pakistan respects MAD.

I'm not convinced the U.S. respects MAD.

The last time there was a nuclear armed state actively shopping nuclear weapons to the highest bidder, that was Pakistan and the A.Q. Khan network. Yet we didn't see any mushroom clouds as a result. We have a choice. We can either live through fear and be our own worst enemies, or live through faith. I choose to live through faith.

[jmdrake]

^Was not talking about Iraq. Do not support Iraq.

But it was the "We must be afraid cause the boogeyman may have/get WMDs" mentality that directly led to the current situation in Iraq. Every objective measure shows that when it comes to foreign policy Iran is a not a rational actor. If you want to live in fear of what the might do because of their internal affairs that's on you. Have you ever read the Soviet constitution? I haven't, but based on what I know of Soviet history they treated their people worse than any other regime in modern history. Yet despite Nikita Krushev's "we will bury you" comment, when it came to foreign policy they were still rational actors. Even the Cuban missile crisis was a rational act because it was predicated by our build up of nuclear forces in Italy and Turkey.

Regardless, you fear what you fear. I find your fear irrational. You obviously feel otherwise. So what would you like done about your fear?

Edit: One other thing. Let's assume Iran's goal is a worldwide Islamic state. How would that goal be reached if Iran committed state suicide by nuking or attempting to nuke Israel or the U.S.? And what do you actually know about Islamic beliefs regarding the end of the world?

[jolynna]

^Was not talking about Iraq. Do not support Iraq.

Good for you if you didn't support Iraq. You are one of the few. (And I mean that sincerely. I was fooled.)

Almost ALL of the rest of our nation DID support invading Iraq. They were duped, very convincingly that there was good cause to invade that country.

As for Iran...

Breathless predictions that Iran will soon be at the brink of nuclear capability, or – worse – acquire an actual nuclear bomb, are not new.


Imminent Iran nuclear threat? A timeline of warnings since 1979: http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middl...emy-No.-1-1992

As I said, unless it is under THESE situations (1) defensive action: to repel and defeat any actual attack from an adversary OR (2) retaliatory action: after suffering an actual attack, to destroy the capability and will of the adversary to stage further attacks, WE are the aggressors who commit war crimes when we invade and occupy other countries and kill hundreds and thousands of their people.

Support OUR troops by NEVER sending them into a war without cause. Never. Ever.

In my opinion.

[jcannon98188]

I hear a lot of talk about MAD, and how a nuke would only kill a few of our people etc. Does no one remember we have this lovely little thing called an anti missile system that our military uses? We can shoot anything out of the sky, before it even gets CLOSE to America. Iran on the other hand does not have a nuke. We could rain all holy hell on them if they even tried to nuke us. They pose no threat.

Besides, in the history of the world, who is the only nation that has ever nuked another Nation? Oh that would be America. If anyone should be disarmed, it is us.

[LibForestPaul]

I don't care what you call me. I am an interventionist when it comes to certain nuclear scenarios; that is about it. I am less interventionist than Barry Goldwater. I don't abandon all my common sense for principle. My human nature tells me that I would rather make sure millions of Americans are safe as opposed to allowing Iran to have nukes.

If you want to make sure millions of Americans are safe, you need to start looking in your own backyard, with people who speak your own language, were born here, and hate the millions of American mundanes.