CNN: Israel's Dep.Prime Minister "[Ahmad] didn't say wipe Israel off the face of the map"

[V3n]

I was watching CNN International yesterday and noticed this interview between Christiane Amanpour and Israel's Ehud Barak.

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/19/ampr.01.html

They both admit Ahmadinejad did not say what CNN has been reporting for years (as fact) and tried to use against Ron Paul in countless debates/interviews. Read on..

AMANPOUR: One of the things that people always ask me and makes them worry for Israel is about what President Ahmadinejad was said to have said a few years ago, about, quote-unquote, "wiping Israel off the face of the map."

Many Iranian officials who I've interviewed, including just now recently, have said that is not what he said, nor is it the policy of the Iranian government to have any military attack on Israel. Your own minister, Dan Meridor, said that, yes, that is not what Ahmadinejad said. He didn't say wipe Israel off the face of the map. Do you accept that? Or do you still believe that Iran has a military design on you?

BARAK: I think that we are focusing too much on the nuances of the topic, rather than --

AMANPOUR: This is really important, because everybody talks about this.

BARAK: No, no, I would tell you exactly what he said. He said, and others said in public many times, that the Zionist entity -- it's a code name for Israel -- is something unnatural in the Israeli -- in the Middle East and should be removed at this point. That's what he said.

(bold and italics added)

Interesting the things you see on CNN International that you don't see on CNN in the US.

Looks like everyone agrees, Ahmadinejad never said that.

[Republicanguy]

I remember that back in 2005 that was said. I didn't know much about politics at the time, I do remember joking to my teacher at college that jewish kids were throwing stones at his window or something.

[jmdrake]

+rep. Subscribed and facebooked.

[Lishy]

To be honest, although Ahmad doesn't want to wipe off Israel, doesn't his superior?

I honestly believe Iran is a threat to Israel. But I do not support war.

[GeorgiaAvenger]

Iran surely does want Israel wiped off the map whether the leaders stated it or not. Islamic/Jewish tensions have been going on for centuries.

I do believe Iran has rational leaders, and they rationally want to destroy Israel. If they were irrational they would strike Israel for no reason, but they do have their religious reasons.

[jmdrake]

Iran surely does want Israel wiped off the map whether the leaders stated it or not. Islamic/Jewish tensions have been going on for centuries.

I do believe Iran has rational leaders, and they rationally want to destroy Israel. If they were irrational they would strike Israel for no reason, but they do have their religious reasons.

Rick Santorum disagrees with you.



The rational reason the Iranians want nuclear parity is that so they don't get wiped off the map. We haven't attacked North Korea because North Korea has nukes. The Iranians put out the olive branch of peace when Bush was president but were rebuffed. Now that they see what happened in Libya (we backed Al Qaeda against Khadaffi), they probably thank Allah that we wouldn't negotiate with them for peace.

[GeorgiaAvenger]

The rational reason the Iranians want nuclear parity is that so they don't get wiped off the map. We haven't attacked North Korea because North Korea has nukes. The Iranians put out the olive branch of peace when Bush was president but were rebuffed. Now that they see what happened in Libya (we backed Al Qaeda against Khadaffi), they probably thank Allah that we wouldn't negotiate with them for peace.

That is a rational reason to get nuclear weapons, but it doesn't mean that it is Iran's rational reason.

Read the Iranian Constitution: http://www.iranonline.com/iran/iran-...itution-1.html

[Kluge]

That is a rational reason to get nuclear weapons, but it doesn't mean that it is Iran's rational reason.

Read the Iranian Constitution: http://www.iranonline.com/iran/iran-...itution-1.html

Scary!

Article 13

Zoroastrian, Jewish, and Christian Iranians are the only recognized religious minorities, who, within the limits of the law, are free to perform their religious rites and ceremonies, and to act according to their own canon in matters of personal affairs and religious education.


Article 14

In accordance with the sacred verse; ("God does not forbid you to deal kindly and justly with those who have not fought against you because of your religion and who have not expelled you from your homes" [60:8]), the government of the Islamic Republic of Iran and all Mu slims are duty-bound to treat non-Muslims in conformity with ethical norms and the principles of Islamic justice and equity, and to respect their human rights. This principle applies to all who refrain from engaging in conspiracy or activity against Islam and the Islamic Republic of Iran.

[jmdrake]

That is a rational reason to get nuclear weapons, but it doesn't mean that it is Iran's rational reason.

Read the Iranian Constitution: http://www.iranonline.com/iran/iran-...itution-1.html

Well that's pretty much the same constitution our government helped get written for Iraq. So what's your point? Oh, and I didn't see "Wipe Israel off the map" in there. Did I miss it?

[Kluge]

To be honest, although Ahmad doesn't want to wipe off Israel, doesn't his superior?

I honestly believe Iran is a threat to Israel. But I do not support war.

When's the last time Iran invaded another country pre-emptively? When's the last time the US and/or Israel did?

[Lishy]

Here's the thing though. I don't believe Iran hates Israel out of racism either. They, just like other Arab nations such as Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and Lebanon, simply wish to control the shipping route dominated by Israel. It has nothing to do with Jews or Arabs because they wish to dominate the Palestinians too.

[GeorgiaAvenger]

Here's the thing though. I don't believe Iran hates Israel out of racism either. They, just like other Arab nations such as Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and Lebanon, simply wish to control the shipping route dominated by Israel. It has nothing to do with Jews or Arabs because they wish to dominate the Palestinians too.

Believe me, it all boils down to ethnics and religion.

Iranians(Persians) dislike Arab nations, but they especially despise Jews.

In the early days Islam was a very tolerant religion but a substantial portion became very hateful and dangerous long ago. Just as in Christianity there are Doomsdayers in Islam and unfortunately Iranians leaders are obsessed with that as well. Which is why I...and I have discussed this before...am not opposed to disarming that particular regime. Having studied nuclear weapons and strategies it is too simple and risky just to dismiss nuclear states on principle. That doesn't mean waragainst any nuclear nation, but with areas like Iran and NK you have to seriously look at removing their capabilities. Of course that doesn't make me happy, but I do not like the possible alternative of nuclear war. Any operation must be swift and immediate.

[ctiger2]

Ahmadinejad et al simply want to remove the Israeli police state REGIME because they're psychopaths.

[bolil]

Perhaps we can punk Iran. Send a massive fleet of bombers over them.... and drop flower petals. Or dollar bills.

[Kluge]

Perhaps we can punk Iran. Send a massive fleet of bombers over them.... and drop flower petals. Or dollar bills.

That'd be hilarious if it wouldn't cause so many heart attacks!

[Bruno]

Someone tell Sean Insanity. He just had someone on Wednesday who was arguing with him on that, he interrupted him mid-sentence (imagine that!) and stated, "yes, he did, we've gone over and over on this, he said it many times, we have it on tape, blah, blah."

Heaven forbid the truth should get out when there are wars to get started based upon lies.

[GeorgiaAvenger]

^Was not talking about Iraq. Do not support Iraq.

[jmdrake]

^Was not talking about Iraq. Do not support Iraq.

But it was the "We must be afraid cause the boogeyman may have/get WMDs" mentality that directly led to the current situation in Iraq. Every objective measure shows that when it comes to foreign policy Iran is a not a rational actor. If you want to live in fear of what the might do because of their internal affairs that's on you. Have you ever read the Soviet constitution? I haven't, but based on what I know of Soviet history they treated their people worse than any other regime in modern history. Yet despite Nikita Krushev's "we will bury you" comment, when it came to foreign policy they were still rational actors. Even the Cuban missile crisis was a rational act because it was predicated by our build up of nuclear forces in Italy and Turkey.

Regardless, you fear what you fear. I find your fear irrational. You obviously feel otherwise. So what would you like done about your fear?

Edit: One other thing. Let's assume Iran's goal is a worldwide Islamic state. How would that goal be reached if Iran committed state suicide by nuking or attempting to nuke Israel or the U.S.? And what do you actually know about Islamic beliefs regarding the end of the world?

[jolynna]

Edit: One other thing. Let's assume Iran's goal is a worldwide Islamic state. How would that goal be reached if Iran committed state suicide by nuking or attempting to nuke Israel or the U.S.? And what do you actually know about Islamic beliefs regarding the end of the world?

Iran has not sponsored terrorism IN THE UNITED STATES as our intelligence services currently DO IN Iran (bombings, kidnappings, sabotages and targeted assassinations).

But, Iraq didn't either.

Neither Iraq OR Iran had ANY involvement with 9/11.

imo

[jolynna]

I just noticed the quote at the end of Warrior_of_Freedom's posts:

We cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home.
~Edward R. Murrow

I love that!

[jolynna]

^Was not talking about Iraq. Do not support Iraq.

Good for you if you didn't support Iraq. You are one of the few. (And I mean that sincerely. I was fooled.)

Almost ALL of the rest of our nation DID support invading Iraq. They were duped, very convincingly that there was good cause to invade that country.

As for Iran...

Breathless predictions that Iran will soon be at the brink of nuclear capability, or – worse – acquire an actual nuclear bomb, are not new.


Imminent Iran nuclear threat? A timeline of warnings since 1979: http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middl...emy-No.-1-1992

As I said, unless it is under THESE situations (1) defensive action: to repel and defeat any actual attack from an adversary OR (2) retaliatory action: after suffering an actual attack, to destroy the capability and will of the adversary to stage further attacks, WE are the aggressors who commit war crimes when we invade and occupy other countries and kill hundreds and thousands of their people.

Support OUR troops by NEVER sending them into a war without cause. Never. Ever.

In my opinion.

[jcannon98188]

I hear a lot of talk about MAD, and how a nuke would only kill a few of our people etc. Does no one remember we have this lovely little thing called an anti missile system that our military uses? We can shoot anything out of the sky, before it even gets CLOSE to America. Iran on the other hand does not have a nuke. We could rain all holy hell on them if they even tried to nuke us. They pose no threat.

Besides, in the history of the world, who is the only nation that has ever nuked another Nation? Oh that would be America. If anyone should be disarmed, it is us.

[V3n]

This is a good healthy debate, and the reason I come to this forum is to read differing opinions such as these. So thank you all who've posted.

I just wanted to add, the reason I posted this is to demonstrate the difference between the news that other countries get from CNN, and what we get. I'm sure everyone in the media knows that to quote what he said with their translation is a lie, yet they maintain the lie and use it against Ron Paul. It demonstrates the pure evil of the MSM. Regardless of the relationship of the people and their countries, regardless of nukes or no nukes, to say that Ahmadinejad literally said "wipe Israel of the face of the map" IS A LIE.

go to 2:00..


Reality Check

[jolynna]

to say that Ahmadinejad literally said "wipe Israel of the face of the map" IS A LIE.

go to 2:00..


Reality Check

It absolutely is a lie, my doctor is Iranian and speaks Farsi. What the media keeps repeating as fact is a mistranslation and NOT TRUE.

[jmdrake]

I nominate Ben Swann for the best journalist of modern time and Sean Hannity for one of the worst. +rep for posting those vids!

This is a good healthy debate, and the reason I come to this forum is to read differing opinions such as these. So thank you all who've posted.

I just wanted to add, the reason I posted this is to demonstrate the difference between the news that other countries get from CNN, and what we get. I'm sure everyone in the media knows that to quote what he said with their translation is a lie, yet they maintain the lie and use it against Ron Paul. It demonstrates the pure evil of the MSM. Regardless of the relationship of the people and their countries, regardless of nukes or no nukes, to say that Ahmadinejad literally said "wipe Israel of the face of the map" IS A LIE.

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Reality Check

[Tudo]

Some real republicans round here

[jolynna]

Some real republicans round here

Facts are facts.

I pray there are progressives that are looking at their "hope and change" guy and realizing that he DIDN'T repeal the Patriot Act and restore American freedom and that he DIDN'T bring the troops back from all the wars that never should have been.

And that MORE and MORE of our GOP reads something, sees a documentary or talks to somebody and REALIZES that war without cause means "slaughtering innocent people" including our own children who we send supposedly fight for freedom WHICH we GIVE AWAY at home for the "War on Terror", which can NEVER be won because it has NO discernible end and NO way to define victory.

American's most dangerous enemies are not Islamic radicals, but those who promote the perverted ideology of "national security" (which isn't securing our FREEDOM, just the opposite).

In my opinion.

[jmdrake]

One other thing I thought about. Let's say Iran had enough nukes to "wipe Israel off the map". So what would happen to all of the Muslim holy sites like the Al Aqsa Mosque? Really, nuclear war with Israel is totally impractical for what Iran allegedly wants to achieve. Now supposedly Iran is "crazy" so they will just not think this through. But these "crazy" Iranians haven't tried to invade Israel. Why not? That would be just about as practical in achieving their supposed goals as would nuking Israel (in other words, not very practical at all).

But here's something else to consider. When rogue nuclear scientist A.Q. Khan was trying to sell nuclear weapons parts to the highest bidder Iran turned him down. Now if Iran was just hell bent on getting nukes as soon as possible so they could destroy Israel, why did they turn down nuke plans from the one guy in the Islamic world known to have successfully designed and tested a nuclear bomb?

[Muwahid]

There's a lot of conservatives in Iran sure, but one thing is really being overlooked. Iranians in my experience are extremely nationalistic, and what comes with that is secularism. Many Iranians are infact secular nationalists, this whole "they believe in the After life, therefore they don't care about MAD" is about the stupidest thing I've ever heard in my entire life, it's not only stupid but incredibly naive to think that an entire demographic of people think the same way that tens of millions of Iranians will just say "yep ok" if their government sends them down a path of destruction. It's frankly insulting to the Iranian people to think they're just wreckless or push-overs, and they don't care about their childrens future.

I believe Iran has proxy agents all over the world the most famous Hezbullah and then Jaysh al Mehdi commanded by Muqtada al Sadr in Iraq; if they weren't worried about self preservation then why has Hezbullah not started any wars with Israel the only wars they fought were over sovereign Lebanese soil.

I don't worry too much though. Iran favors Jews to their sunni counterparts, it's a love hate relationship, Israel is much happier with a Nasruallah in Lebanon, than Salafi elements, this is well known. Nasruallah can get on stage in front of 100s of thousands of supporters where all it takes is one f16 to take him out if they really wanted to but hes a buffer and tolerated.

[jolynna]

The SAME people that urged us to invade Iraq because Iraq was going to NUKE us any minute are the same people that have been trying to get the United States to go after Iran for DECADES (saying Iran is getting Nukes any second).

There were no Al Qaeda in Iraq. No weapons of mass destruction. No biological weapons. There was NO CONNECTION between Iraq and 9/11. Just like the ONLY thing most of us have in common with Timothy McVey is that we'd both say we were Christian, ALL that the Iraqi people had in common with the mostly Saudi 9/11 airplane hijackers is that many would say they were Muslim--although different branches of Muslim with different beliefs. Yet, this country advocated killing over 100,000 Iraqi citizens...preemptively. Only...oops...the United States was wrong.

Now. Based upon fear mongering from the SAME people that misled us about Iraq, we are supposed to exterminate MORE middle eastern people? And let more of our young soldiers die, be maimed or be forever scarred by what they see or do?

Preemptively?

"Preventive war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly, I would not even listen to anyone seriously that came and talked about such a thing." - President Dwight D. Eisenhower

Aren't we supposed to LEARN from history?

My own opinion.