Rep. Allen West Says There Are Communists in Congress; Is He Right?

[FrankRep]

When's the last time a socialist country went communist?

None. Let me repeat myself.

The goal of Socialism is Communism, but it's a carrot on the stick and will never happen -- it's a trick.

[oyarde]

Besides the U.S. Post Office, authorized in the Constitution, btw, what other "govt run factories" does the U.S. operate?

They will have them all if unchecked , right now , through taxation and costs to meet regulation, they recieve 36 cents of every dollar from business , then movealong to health care etc, remember , they will never stop

[farreri]

Yes, the Government-run education you received has lied to you.

Again, the "extreme right wing" are Libertarians and Anarchists.

Nazis are Socialists. dude.

Well, I never said they weren't. That's why I refereed to them are right-wing socialists.

I think we are getting off track with the semantics of who's left or right. Do you think most Republicans in Congress lean more fascists than libertarian? That's pretty much my point.

[oyarde]

When's the last time a socialist country went communist?

They should fail economically before they reach that.

[farreri]

None. Let me repeat myself.

So like Norway, Sweden, and Finland, they are all Communist countries?

[FrankRep]

Well, I never said they weren't. That's why I refereed to them are right-wing socialists.

I think we are getting off track with the semantics of who's left or right. Do you think most Republicans in Congress lean more fascists than libertarian? That's pretty much my point.

Let me repeat myself again.

The so called "Fascists" you're talking about are most likely the Trotskyite Neo-Conservatives that follow the philosophy of Bill Kristol and others that are obsessed with Perpetual war and flirt with left-wing politics.

Am I right? Guess what. Neocons are crypto-communists and not Fascist like Benito Mussolini.

[Brian4Liberty]

It might be most accurate to say that the majority of our Congress and media are "global corporatist socialists".

Edit: or "global corporatist socialist authoritarians".

[BucksforPaul]

So if Communists are thought of as extreme left, but Fascists are not thought of as extreme right, then what are Fascists?

Fascists are Communists on steroids. One definition of fascism is big government colluding with big businesses to maximize profits.

[oyarde]

Well, I never said they weren't. That's why I refereed to them are right-wing socialists.

I think we are getting off track with the semantics of who's left or right. Do you think most Republicans in Congress lean more fascists than libertarian? That's pretty much my point.

Few lean Libertarian , but economically the bleeding is slower , they will take some liberties , wage some wars , the Dems will do same and lots of nice extras that include stealing you blind , raising taxes , increasing fees , regulations , taking over health care , theenviroment , energy , the list is endless from the evil vampires.

[FrankRep]

So like Norway, Sweden, and Finland, they are all Communist countries?

Please read the Communist Manifesto. You have no clue what you're talking about.

Communist Manifesto PDF
http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx.../Manifesto.pdf

[farreri]

They will have them all if unchecked , right now , through taxation and costs to meet regulation, they recieve 36 cents of every dollar from business , then movealong to health care etc, remember , they will never stop

I'm not disagreeing we are heading in more of that direction, but I think you guys are sounding the communism alarm a little bit more than it actually is, if you get my drift.

[oyarde]

It might be most accurate to say that the majority of our Congress and media are "global corporatist socialists".

Edit: or "global corporatist socialist authoritarians".

Interesting way to look at it ..

[oyarde]

I'm not disagreeing we are heading in more of that direction, but I think you guys are sounding the communism alarm a little bit more than it actually is, if you get my drift.

I wish I had started sounding it louder over twenty years ago ...

[farreri]

Please read the Communist Manifesto. You have no clue what you're talking about.

Communist Manifesto PDF
http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx.../Manifesto.pdf

I just asked you a simple yes/no question. Can you give me a yes or no to my question? If you can't, I'm kinda think you have no clue what you're talking about. No offense.

[oyarde]

If you do read the manifesto , it will help you spot where they are always leading to...

[oyarde]

And to think , old hard drinking , lying ass McCarthy was worried about , merely , 57

[farreri]

I wish I had started sounding it louder over twenty years ago ...

My point is don't try to be seen as crying wolf too much, as in shouting "communism is just around the corner" when it's still miles and miles away (figuratively speaking), or those you are trying to warn will be turned off and then be more vulnerable to being snookered by the govt going in the direction you warned of.

[FrankRep]

If you do read the manifesto , it will help you spot where they are always leading to...

I've read the Communist Manifesto and one I find disturbing that is the Progressive/Democrat philosophy of equality/fairness/taxes/free government education/redistribution of wealth is straight out of the Communist Manifesto.

Progressives are either stupid about the source of their beliefs or they're lying about it.

[farreri]

If you do read the manifesto , it will help you spot where they are always leading to...

So what's the last socialist country that went full blown communist?

[FrankRep]

So what's the last socialist country that went full blown communist?

Are you being dense of purpose?

The goal of Socialism is Communism, but it's a carrot on the stick and will never happen -- it's a trick.

[oyarde]

My point is don't try to be seen as crying wolf too much, as in shouting "communism is just around the corner" when it's still miles and miles away (figuratively speaking), or those you are trying to warn will be turned off and then be more vulnerable to being snookered by the govt going in the direction you warned of.

I understand what you are trying to say . Anyway , I am old and tired , and really , believe we are fast approaching the point of no return to salvage the US economy , I base my opinion , only on the math , from the CBO , unfunded liabilities , debt , yearly debt increas and no serious spending cuts in sight ...

[farreri]

Are you being dense of purpose?

You two are warning of socialism, because it "leads" to communism, but when I ask the question below, what should be an easy question for communist watchers, you can't give me one example. Why is that?

"So what's the last socialist country that went full blown communist?"

[oyarde]

So what's the last socialist country that went full blown communist?

I believe , the odds of that are slim , they should always fail , go bankrupt and start over , by paying for everything up front ...

[farreri]

I understand what you are trying to say . Anyway , I am old and tired , and really , believe we are fast approaching the point of no return to salvage the US economy , I base my opinion , only on the math , from the CBO , unfunded liabilities , debt , yearly debt increas and no serious spending cuts in sight ...

Well I too fear we are getting too socialist, especially because our form is just benefiting the rich (ie fascism), but I don't really think the U.S. is going to become like the Cuba, N. Korea, or the former USSR.

Now you can call it a new breed of communism/fascism where it's more of a covert way of doing it by getting their tentacles so deeply entrenched in our personal and economic lives, like the examples you mention, but I really doubt the U.S. will ever become an overtly communist country as one thinks of.

[tttppp]

You two are warning of socialism, because it "leads" to communism, but when I ask the question below, what should be an easy question for communist watchers, you can't give me one example. Why is that?

"So what's the last socialist country that went full blown communist?"

Its not desirable to go full communist. Its always important to have the illusion of capitalism. If people figure out they have no rights, everything will collapse.

[FrankRep]

You two are warning of socialism, because it "leads" to communism, but when I ask the question below, what should be an easy question for communist watchers, you can't give me one example. Why is that?

"So what's the last socialist country that went full blown communist?"

I'm warning of Socialism. Socialism promises a "Utopia". I call that "Utopia" a lie. If you read the Communists Manifesto, you will know this "Utopia" I'm talking about is called "Communism." Socialist and Communists BOTH practice Socialism. "Communism" is the pipe dream.

You're not ever going to understand this concept are you?

[farreri]

Its not desirable to go full communist. Its always important to have the illusion of capitalism. If people figure out they have no rights, everything will collapse.

Agreed.

[oyarde]

When you have collapse , you will end up with some form of a Republicor a dictator , I imagine ..

[farreri]

I'm warning of Socialism. Socialism promises a "Utopia". I call that "Utopia" a lie. If you read the Communists Manifesto, you will know this "Utopia" I'm talking about is called "Communism." Socialist and Communists BOTH practice Socialism. "Communism" is the pipe dream.

You're not ever going to understand this concept are you?

I know all that, but you seem to be saying that if you have an ounce of socialism, that makes you a communist.

[FrankRep]

I know all that, but you seem to be saying that if you have an ounce of socialism, that makes you a communist.

No, I'm saying that Socialists and Communists Both practice Socialism. Communists, however, are under the delusion that perfect equality can exist.