Christian Massacres: A Result of U.S. Foreign Policy

[ExPatPaki]

To think, our fearless President Clinton took the side of an Iranian and Saudi financed KLA (which the US had first considered a terrorist organization) over the Christian Serbs who were defending their nation from an insurgency being orchestrated by mullahs and outside interests.

The US government is friends with those Saudi mullahs even now. Though I am not sure that the Iran funded the KLA, Iran was involved in funding the Bosnians, but their funding was significantly dwarfed by the oil-rich Saudi kingdom. There is a lot of Wahabism now in that region, which was traditionally more inclined towards Sufism.

The main goal was obviously to create Kosovo, a narco-terror state, which can be used by NATO as a base for future conflicts.

[ExPatPaki]

That really seemed to buy us a lot of goodwill didn't it

Why would Muslims care about a Saudi Wahabi funded Bosnian insurgency? Saudi Arabia doesn't represent Muslims. And besides Muslims are intelligent enough to see (unlike you) that America's involvement in the Balkans conflict was for their own interests, not because they cared about stopping a supposed genocide of Bosnian Muslims. America was busy in conducting its own genocide against Iraqi Muslims, which killed over 500,000 children. Yay America! Fuck ya! Go kill Muslim children!

By the way odd that there was never any blowack from that...

Not from the Serbians, but from the Bosnians:

Two U.S. airmen killed in German airport shooting

[TER]

The US government is friends with those Saudi mullahs even now.

Unfortunaly, you are correct.

Though I am not sure that the Iran funded the KLA, Iran was involved in funding the Bosnians, but their funding was significantly dwarfed by the oil-rich Saudi kingdom.

According to reports, Iran did indeed supply the KLA with money and weaponry to terrorize the Christian populace.

The main goal was obviously to create Kosovo, a narco-terror state, which can be used by NATO as a base for future conflicts.

Yes, this was most likely the intent of the USA led NATO operation though it was packaged by the media to be a humanitarian effort. The intent of the Saudis was most likely to have a Muslim stronghold in Europe, so they supported the KLA terrorists.

The US picked the wrong side in this internal affair and has been cursed by it, just as the US has been cursed by the illegal attack upon Iraq. Lord have mercy.

[BlackTerrel]

Why would Muslims care about a Saudi Wahabi funded Bosnian insurgency? Saudi Arabia doesn't represent Muslims. And besides Muslims are intelligent enough to see (unlike you) that America's involvement in the Balkans conflict was for their own interests, not because they cared about stopping a supposed genocide of Bosnian Muslims. America was busy in conducting its own genocide against Iraqi Muslims, which killed over 500,000 children. Yay America! Fuck ya! Go kill Muslim children!

How for our own interests? How did it help the US? I don't see it. I agree it was a pointless exercise.

[jmdrake]

Why do you think this would not be happening if US foreign policy was different?

Saddam Hussein protected Christians. So did Mubarack. So does Assad in Syria.

[lib3rtarian]

Why do you think this would not be happening if US foreign policy was different?

Because US's current policy can easily be sold by the mullahs to the masses as a war on Islam and they will buy it. They can also paint the local Christians as American agents, thus increasing the animosity towards them. If America was a friendly country to them, then they would not be viewing Christians as enemies. To be sure, there will be a certain small number of radicals who would want all non-Islams wiped out regardless, but they wouldn't be able to recruit common people to their cause if America wasn't constantly dropping drones on their land. At any rate, we shouldn't have to subsidize these activities through our foreign aid.

P.S: Pretty sure you didn't read the article.

[BlackTerrel]

Saddam Hussein protected Christians. So did Mubarack. So does Assad in Syria.

The US supported Mubarak.

Iraq is one example. But it happens elsewhere regardless of US policy.

Asia Bibi is a mother of five children and a devout Christian. She is also on death row — for “blasphemy.” And incredibly, she lives under a government that receives billions of U.S. taxpayer dollars every year: Pakistan, one of the top recipients of American foreign aid. Over the last 10 years, the Pakistani regime has raked in well over $20 billion from U.S. taxpayers.

Meanwhile, the government has been brutally persecuting and oppressing the sizeable Christian minority. Indeed, the Pakistani regime consistently ranks as among the worst in the world in terms of persecution. And according to senior U.S. officials, Pakistan’s “intelligence” services have even been collaborating with terrorist groups to attack American targets.

Almost three years ago, Bibi was working as a farmhand when she apparently got into an argument with some Muslim women also working in the fields. Her co-workers alleged that she “defamed” the Islamic prophet, Mohammed. She insists she merely defended her own faith and was falsely accused because of existing animosity. That’s when the tragic ordeal began.

Hearing that a Christian woman made a derogatory remark about Mohammed, a furious mob led by a local cleric promptly descended on Bibi’s home. According to news reports, her family was beaten and tortured by the outraged local residents. They sexually assaulted Bibi, put a noose around her neck, and almost killed her.

[BlackTerrel]

Because US's current policy can easily be sold by the mullahs to the masses as a war on Islam and they will buy it. They can also paint the local Christians as American agents, thus increasing the animosity towards them. If America was a friendly country to them, then they would not be viewing Christians as enemies. To be sure, there will be a certain small number of radicals who would want all non-Islams wiped out regardless, but they wouldn't be able to recruit common people to their cause if America wasn't constantly dropping drones on their land.

My problem is this sort of talk appears to justify persecution. It would be the equivalent of saying due to the Trayvon shooting blacks would be justified in killing Hispanics that had nothing to do with the shooting. Or that Americans would be justified in attacking American Muslims after 9/11. The Christians in these countries have nothing to do with it and are simply being scapegoated. There is no justification for what is being done to that Christians woman in Pakistan or millions of other Christians around the globe.

At any rate, we shouldn't have to subsidize these activities through our foreign aid.

Of course we shouldn't.

P.S: Pretty sure you didn't read the article.

No I read the whole thing. Sad facts in that article. Sad world we live in.

[lib3rtarian]

My problem is this sort of talk appears to justify persecution. It would be the equivalent of saying due to the Trayvon shooting blacks would be justified in killing Hispanics that had nothing to do with the shooting. Or that Americans would be justified in attacking American Muslims after 9/11. The Christians in these countries have nothing to do with it and are simply being scapegoated. There is no justification for what is being done to that Christians woman in Pakistan or millions of other Christians around the globe.

You are thinking this as an American. In their eyes, Christians (West) are attacking Muslims and so any Christian is fair game for them to attack back to avenge their dead brethren. Why did the Muslim world cheer 9/11, an event which we all found terrible? Because, in their eyes, American taxpayers fund the American government which attacks them, so everyone of us is responsible. When we learn to see this through their eyes, we would have solved 80% of the problem.

[BlackTerrel]

You are thinking this as an American.

No I'm thinking as a human being. A mob sexually assaulting a Christian woman and putting a noose around her neck is barbaric. A government then stepping in and putting her on death row is as bad or worse. When the only crime is "insulting Mohammed" that is just barbaric. That is not an American way of thinking that is a human way of thinking.

In their eyes, Christians (West) are attacking Muslims and so any Christian is fair game for them to attack back to avenge their dead brethren.

Then their eyes are fucking blind. In the mind of a super tiny minority of black youths who attacked an old white man all white people were fair game because of Trayvon. But I, and 100% of this forum and 99.9% of the civilized world condemned that type of collectivism. Why can't we ask that these people do the same?

Why did the Muslim world cheer 9/11, an event which we all found terrible? Because, in their eyes, American taxpayers fund the American government which attacks them, so everyone of us is responsible. When we learn to see this through their eyes, we would have solved 80% of the problem.

I don't want to see it through their eyes. I will oppose much of US foreign policy but I will never understand why it is ok to sexually assault and condemn a woman to death for blasphemy.

By the way the idea that this all goes away as soon as US foreign policy changes is a stretch.