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    Quote Originally Posted by wannaberocker View Post
    I know what is fair. Remove the "Child Support" payments issue. If a father basically has no say in if a woman should or shouldn’t keep the baby. Then a man should not be forced to make payments depending on if the woman decides to keep the baby.
    Child support in the form of welfare, housing assistance and food stamps need to go too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    Child support in the form of welfare, housing assistance and food stamps need to go too.

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    With regards to Child Support. You all should read the 14th amendment of the Constitution. Secondly, it's a crime (extortion is a crime unless of course the state does it) to forcibly take from someone else. Most states will destroy your credit and throw your ass in jail if you don't pay even as little as $2,500 that's 30 days past due. They will take away your right to travel by taking away your pass port. They are rude and tyrannical. You haven't seen anything unless you are in the system It's horrible and guess what your friend the Federal Reserve is in on the mix as well (shocker right?). CS money goes through the Federal Reserve! Wow really? Go read Title IV D Federal Funding. It was part of the Social Security Act of 1975.

    It's a crime to send good people with no history to jail for non-payment. It's a crime to extort money from good people and it's unconstitutional. Especially for the non-custodial parent who is a huge part of their kids life and didn't ask to be taken out of their child's life. 84% of the time the father gets screwed and has to pay CS and doesn't get the time with the kids. Why? It's called the Mother bisas. Studies show (yes I have the studies) that dad's are actually a better parent to kids than the mothers. Does anyone ever hear this? Nope.

    Another Google search.. Thomas Ball. He was getting so screwed over by the family court system he went to the court house dowsed himself with gas and set himself on fire in protest. Did you hear anything about it? Nope.

    Suicide rates sky rocket for fathers who have no choice but to pay up no matter what. Again it's a crime and it's about time people start fighting back.
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    If you want kids that badly hire an incubator-lady-thing (I am really tired)
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    Quote Originally Posted by idiom View Post
    If you want kids that badly hire an incubator-lady-thing (I am really tired)
    I can't think of the word either...dammit!
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    Quote Originally Posted by idiom View Post
    If you want kids that badly hire an incubator-lady-thing (I am really tired)
    Surrogate........

    But that fails to address my original post concerning fathers rights in cases of abortion.

    To the best of my knowledge medical science can't transplant a fetus yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    I agree with the OP's proposition...

    The father should have a say.


    But I don't agree with your "three options".

    Why not civil / criminal penalties after the fact? This isn't a statutuory offense we're talking about...

    its fetus in a bucket in the corner of the room; MURDER.

    Why not a requirement for abortion doctors to have both parents signatures or a signed affidavit from the mother stating she is has made an attempt to, but is unable to contact the father (or was raped).

    I agree with the premise of abortion, but only to week 10-12 (fetus/embryo transition, organ development, brain activity) not until week 28 as under Roe v Wade (viability).

    88% of abortions currently occur before week 12. In my opinion anything after that is murder, and any abortion without the fathers permission is murder.

    How dare you kill my unborn child?

    My anti-feminist-abortion-rights position:

    It ceases to be YOUR UTEROUS when there is a fetus in it.... it's the fetus' uterous.

    Fetuses deserve LIFE, LIBERTY, and THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS and a father's embryo deserves state protection unless he ALSO concedes to its destruction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    Let's do a hypothetical situation (one I've seen happen)....

    Girlfriend/wife pulls up pregnant, couple is young and have agreed on a family but reality kicks in a couple months into the pregnancy and the relationship fails (no fault) .........Mother unilaterally and vindictively terminates the pregnancy.

    If you were the father would you want to keep your child? Would you like your voice to be heard when arguing for the babies life?

    Or would you really be cool with as you say, "Letting God sort it out"?
    What kind of heartless person vindictively aborts a child as some act of revenge?
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    The man does have rights. He has the right to choose not to sleep with a dumb whore who isnt on the same moral page as he is.

    Once a guy gets intimate with another woman you open a can that is full of worms and bad possible outcomes. Sure, 19/20 times you might have an ok sex then move on - but you never know.

    Here's my advise to men, start acting like real men and make the decision to abstain from intimate physical relationships until you get that ring on her finger, and the commitment.

    Or you can stick your junk into anything that moves, because.... its your right to.... right?

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    The "ring on her finger" doesn't grant you any legal say as to whether or not she chooses to abort the child you conceived together.

    All you gain in the legal arena as a man is the "right" to be listed on the birth certificate.

    "The ring" also obligates your name to be listed on the birth certificate if your wife delivers another mans child while you are married.

    There are lots of social and legal issues intertwined when we discuss fathers rights relevant to the unborn and just because an issue is right or moral socially doesn't mean it has a legal footing.



    Quote Originally Posted by asurfaholic View Post
    The man does have rights. He has the right to choose not to sleep with a dumb whore who isnt on the same moral page as he is.

    Once a guy gets intimate with another woman you open a can that is full of worms and bad possible outcomes. Sure, 19/20 times you might have an ok sex then move on - but you never know.

    Here's my advise to men, start acting like real men and make the decision to abstain from intimate physical relationships until you get that ring on her finger, and the commitment.

    Or you can stick your junk into anything that moves, because.... its your right to.... right?

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