Abortion babies and a fathers rights

[tod evans]

There are threads galore about a womans right to abort a fetus.

There's discussion aplenty about the morality of abortion.

I thought I'd start a thread about fathers rights.

Currently a father has no say in whether or not a fetus is brought to term.

I believe a father should have an equal say with the mother, except of course in rape.

To give a woman sole decision rights because of a 9 month intrusion ignores the 18 year liability incurred by the father.

It takes two to create a fetus and in my opinion neither parent should have the right to abort or carry to term without the other parents consent.

I believe my position on this matter places equal responsibility on both parents and would assure personal responsibility for either a baby or an abortion.

How do ya'll feel about joint responsibility?

[Domalais]

The man should have the right to carry the fetus to term in his uterus.

[JebSanderson]

The man should have the right to carry the fetus to term in his uterus.

That's just a silly red herring.

I personally am against abortion and I see the huge hypocrisy in the law. If a woman wants to abort (kill, really) her child she can and the man has no say, but if she does decide to let the baby live the man is on the hook for 18 years. Obviously morally he should be on the hook for that child's needs but the law still is very hypocritical and does not respect a man's wishes.

[Kluge]

I think the gov't should stay out of it entirely. It's social engineering.

[tod evans]

I think the gov't should stay out of it entirely. It's social engineering.

I agree with this position.....

The reason I even started this thread is that as things are now only the government and the woman have any say-so.

If the government is going to be involved then the father should be afforded "equal" rights.

[No Free Beer]

I want to first say that I thank you for this thread.

I am very much pro-life and wish that the law would solve the problem. I DO NOT think a woman has the right to KILL a baby.

But, if we are going allow the woman to have a right to choose, the man should have equal rights, you are correct.

I will end with this point: For me personally, I will NEVER marry a woman who is pro-choice. Won't happen.

[nayjevin]

Men should not have sex with women who wouldn't see the issue as the OP does. Individual liberty/responsibility, right? And my friends shouldn't let me have sex with any woman who would consider abortion in the first place.

[tod evans]

Men should not have sex with women who wouldn't see the issue as the OP does. Individual liberty/responsibility, right? And my friends shouldn't let me have sex with any woman who would consider abortion in the first place.

"Stuff" has a way of changing mid-stream though.....Even if you're both in agreement on the moral issues when the relationship starts and everything is hunky-dory, many times a pregnancy or loss of a job or the stars not aligning can cause the relationship to fail.

The way the law stands a father is 100% at the mercy of both the mother and the state with no recourse.

"If" abortion is going to be legal then both parents should have equal say.........after all they both made the baby.

Following current law....Isn't it in the "childs best interest" if both parents had to agree on an abortion?

[Democrat4Paul]

Men should not have sex with women who wouldn't see the issue as the OP does. Individual liberty/responsibility, right? And my friends shouldn't let me have sex with any woman who would consider abortion in the first place.

This is right on. Nothing more to say, really

If as a true MAN you are so righteous as to not want to abort a fetus you helped create then you should be rightous enough to understand who and whom you are sleeping with. I mean SEX is supposed to be a sacred act, right? So maybe MEN, who do not carry children, should be more careful who we lie down with?

Lest we look to our brothers and sisters to help us clean up our messes. How is that freedom?

Plus it's a form of legalism. Are we not believers? Yes, we are. Do we not have faith? Yes, we do. So lets provide grace to those who choose to abort, and you know what. The fathers need that, too

Let God sort 'em out in the end. Anything else would be unchristian of us.

I mean do we really want the LAW OF MAN to intercede here. I don't. Judgement is for God and God alone

And any aborted fetus will see the kingdom of heaven. However those of us who judge and would use what we consider the word of god against others may very well not

[tod evans]

Let God sort 'em out in the end. Anything else would be unchristian of us.

I mean do we really want the LAW OF MAN to intercede here. I don't. Judgement is for God and God alone

Let's do a hypothetical situation (one I've seen happen)....

Girlfriend/wife pulls up pregnant, couple is young and have agreed on a family but reality kicks in a couple months into the pregnancy and the relationship fails (no fault) .........Mother unilaterally and vindictively terminates the pregnancy.

If you were the father would you want to keep your child? Would you like your voice to be heard when arguing for the babies life?

Or would you really be cool with as you say, "Letting God sort it out"?