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    Quote Originally Posted by malkusm View Post
    Go look at the first post. It's MY thread. You're free to derail your own threads as much as you want.
    But I have been given warnings for making off topic posts in someone's thread even when the OP was joining me in doing so. Then my posts, along with the OP's posts, were deleted.

    Change it to:

    + Posts should respect the intent and desires of the Topic Starter. overbearing moderators.



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    Quote Originally Posted by bluesc View Post
    But I have been given warnings for making off topic posts in someone's thread even when the OP was joining me in doing so. Then my posts, along with the OP's posts, were deleted.

    Change it to:
    Good idea! I'll get on that immediately.

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    Young bucks always got to show out that's why they should be delegated to just heavy lifting.

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    lol at first I thought this said 'Alternative rock accounts not allowed'

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    Hate to have to be the one to point out the obvious, but...

    banning sock puppet accounts on a libertarian message board is kind of hypocritical, no?

    I thought the libertarian motto is to punish behaviour which directly infringes on other's liberty...
    not to punish behaviour which we dislike or has the probability to be problematic.

    Its almost as bad as banning driving while on your cell phone.

    Besides... in the digital world of IP spoofing and persona management... how would you ever know?

    I have no problem with and kind of like sock puppets... some people learn (and some educate) more proficiently from reading a [spoofed] dialogue than they do reading a well cited single player argument.

    but yessa massa, me be keepin me socks on me feet,

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    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    Hate to have to be the one to point out the obvious, but...

    banning sock puppet accounts on a libertarian message board is kind of hypocritical, no?

    I thought the libertarian motto is to punish behaviour which directly infringes on other's liberty...
    not to punish behaviour which we dislike or has the probability to be problematic.

    Its almost as bad as banning driving while on your cell phone.

    Besides... in the digital world if IP spoofing and persona management... how would you ever know?

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    Property owners set the rules of conduct on their property. The owners of this forum are in line with libertarian thought to the extent that they recognize this. If someone came into your store and broke every reasonable and/or explicit rule, wouldn't you throw them out?
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    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    Hate to have to be the one to point out the obvious, but...

    banning sock puppet accounts on a libertarian message board is kind of hypocritical, no?

    I thought the libertarian motto is to punish behaviour which directly infringes on other's liberty...
    not to punish behaviour which we dislike or has the probability to be problematic.

    Its almost as bad as banning driving while on your cell phone.

    Besides... in the digital world if IP spoofing and persona management... how would you ever know?

    presence
    I made the point that searching via the "new posts" function. It is helpful to have a second account for that. The forum times out, and if you don't read all the new posts (need to do something else, etc.), then a second account comes in handy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    Property owners set the rules of conduct on their property. The owners of this forum are in line with libertarian thought to the extent that they recognize this. If someone came into your store and broke every reasonable and/or explicit rule, wouldn't you throw them out?
    The more laws and order are made prominent, the more thieves and robbers there will be. - Tao Te Ching
    It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen
    to set brush fires in peoples minds! Revolution is Action upon Revelation!

    The small green parakeet, Tito, was flung helplessly from the cage, landing on the floor. When a girl screamed, the officer sneerd:
    "F*** THE BIRD !!!"
    ...and stomped on it with his jackboot. READ MORE: http://www.policestateusa.com/2013/n...lugo-parakeet/


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    I think some people deliberately confuse the rules made by property owners, whose only real "punishment" is eviction from the property, and laws, where punishment is much more severe and usually not related at all to what was done.

    You really are free to start your own forums. Other folks have, in fact, gone on to do just that. I can't think of any that have no moderators, though, or usernames or accounts in some sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MelissaWV View Post
    You really are free to start your own forums. Other folks have, in fact, gone on to do just that. I can't think of any that have no moderators, though, or usernames or accounts in some sense.
    4chan ?
    It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen
    to set brush fires in peoples minds! Revolution is Action upon Revelation!

    The small green parakeet, Tito, was flung helplessly from the cage, landing on the floor. When a girl screamed, the officer sneerd:
    "F*** THE BIRD !!!"
    ...and stomped on it with his jackboot. READ MORE: http://www.policestateusa.com/2013/n...lugo-parakeet/


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    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    The more laws and order are made prominent, the more thieves and robbers there will be. - Tao Te Ching
    You think rules of conduct=law? Come on, now, don't be silly. If you don't like the way this place is managed, go elsewhere. There's no law keeping you here.
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    So what is wrong with a second account if you don't abuse it in the ways malkusm has laid out?
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    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    banning sock puppet accounts on a libertarian message board is kind of hypocritical, no?
    Not at all. Perhaps, if anything, it would be more likely to happen on a libertarian message board. I am not sure if this is a libertarian message board, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    I made the point that searching via the "new posts" function. It is helpful to have a second account for that. The forum times out, and if you don't read all the new posts (need to do something else, etc.), then a second account comes in handy.
    why not just open a new tab/window? That's what I do.
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    My music/art page is here"government is the enemy of liberty"-RP
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    So what is wrong with a second account if you don't abuse it in the ways malkusm has laid out?
    The truth? It probably will not attract attention, then. Fire11 can't help itself, and posts every darned time. People are on here having full-length conversations with themselves, cross-repping, self-promoting. How many versions of Matt Collins do we REALLY need? That kind of stuff draws the eye and the banhammer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith and stuff View Post
    Not at all. Perhaps, if anything, it would be more likely to happen on a libertarian message board. I am not sure if this is a libertarian message board, though.
    It's named after a libertarian, but many here are not libertarian. It's a motley crue.
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    The government is incapable of doing what it's supposed to do. A job like the provision of security is something best left to private institutions.
    My music/art page is here"government is the enemy of liberty"-RP
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    This whole board is a thoughtcrime in progress.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MelissaWV View Post
    The truth? It probably will not attract attention, then. Fire11 can't help itself, and posts every darned time. People are on here having full-length conversations with themselves, cross-repping, self-promoting. How many versions of Matt Collins do we REALLY need? That kind of stuff draws the eye and the banhammer.
    I understand, but it goes against "the letter of the law."

    So at anytime one could be perma-banned.

    nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    I understand, but it goes against "the letter of the law."

    So at anytime one could be perma-banned.

    nice.
    It's quite simple. Don't give us a reason to do a large IP check and other comparisons we do (it's quite extensive), and we won't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    I made the point that searching via the "new posts" function. It is helpful to have a second account for that. The forum times out, and if you don't read all the new posts (need to do something else, etc.), then a second account comes in handy.
    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    why not just open a new tab/window? That's what I do.
    What? Heavenlyboy you dare to circumvent the forum property owners rule that you have to wait for repeated searches? Don't you know that makes you someone who doesn't respect property rights and a *gasp* communist? You shall be neg-repped by the one who's ban should still be permanent until he responded via email to a thread that he couldn't read because he was banned! /sarcasm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    why not just open a new tab/window? That's what I do.
    I'm not sure what good that does, it still times out. Sometimes very quickly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MelissaWV View Post
    I think some people deliberately confuse the rules made by property owners, whose only real "punishment" is eviction from the property, and laws, where punishment is much more severe and usually not related at all to what was done.

    You really are free to start your own forums. Other folks have, in fact, gone on to do just that. I can't think of any that have no moderators, though, or usernames or accounts in some sense.
    The original internet forum Usenet had not moderation at all. Some Usenet groups tried moderation and found it didn't work. On Usenet once a post is up it's up. By the nature of the technology there is no deleting or editing it. Moderated forums required someone to read posts before approval. That slowed down discussion to a crawl. Then hackers figured out ways around the moderation where they could just post what they want. Yet and still some Usenet forums remain the best places to get information on certain subjects. Yeah there's spam and flamewars and such, but generally it works because typically the only folks who post a comp.lang.fortran are....people interested in Fortran. I sincerely believe with a little forethought and imagination forums could be pretty much self moderated. Take for instance the problem of people taking threads off topic. If the OP had the power to split his own thread himself then there would be no need to complain to a moderator. The ability to ignore people per thread, instead of ignoring them totally, would be nice. Or maybe you could ignore a subthread of discussion when it's just become a back and forth between two people. There are lots of possible ways to do this differently if people exercised a little imagination. Instead it's "Let's have some grand pubah or set of grand pubahs decide". Okay. But what does that say for the need of "deciders" at large when an ad hoc community can't seem to do without them?
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    That sounds great. Please feel free to go try it.

    The big difference, of course, is that if this were set up to be a navel-gazing, lazing around forum... that would be keen. This one has a mission statement of attempting to get people elected. Having to play moderator AND activist is a rough thing. I'd probably just stay here given the option. Others would not.
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    we will have local gop candidates needing boodles of
    primary help and support until practically this october.

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    Quote Originally Posted by malkusm View Post
    And, as I've stated elsewhere, there is no legitimate reason for anyone to be using an alternate account other than (1) rep whoring, (2) circumventing a ban, (3) trolling anonymously.
    wow. you were able to list ALL possible reasons. you're a really smart guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    I'm not sure what good that does, it still times out. Sometimes very quickly.
    For my purposes, it works. Just use the new tab to browse around while keeping the other window in place. Still no problems with it to this day, and I've been doing it for years.
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    The government is incapable of doing what it's supposed to do. A job like the provision of security is something best left to private institutions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brandon View Post
    I can see good reasons for having sock puppets though. I always was fine the the Collins sock puppet among others. I think the rule should only be circumstantially enforced.
    I agree. The reason the Collins situation create a mess is that he isn't smart enough to have a sock puppet account. And he asked Josh to do the impossible task of asking everyone to not call Matt Collins out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    So what is wrong with a second account if you don't abuse it in the ways malkusm has laid out?
    in a practical sense, nothing because you won't get caught.

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    Quote Originally Posted by low preference guy View Post
    in a practical sense, nothing because you won't get caught.
    Oh but you'll be violating "property rights" and showing you have "poor character" and you're really a "communist".
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    But what if the account is called "silence dogood"?
    Is that one taken?
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